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[Star fury]

The only good templar is a dead templar.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As far as we know, he also didn't beat, rape or otherwise abuse anyone, so he's competent and a decent person. Like some weird mix of Thrask and... well... some tempar who is competent.

Evangeline? 

[Daerog]

I didn't read Asunder, so not sure if Evangeline is a competent Templar.

 

Would she be willing to slay Rhys if she caught him doing blood magic?

[Icy Magebane]

I don't approve the Chantry making anyone with Templar training a bunch of addicts. 

I just noticed this and figured I'd comment on it...  The Chantry isn't making anybody an addict.  Not only is the Order a voluntary organization, lyrium use is an essential part of the Templar training.  I suppose that the Chantry could instead hire normal soldiers to fill the same role, but they would not be anywhere near as effective as men and women with the power to disrupt spells, resist magic, and silence or stun mages.  Without these abilities, Templar deaths would increase, as would civilian deaths caused by abominations and hostile mages.  I'm not even sure if they would be able to keep the mages inside the Circles without being able to nullify their powers... even if they did manage to somehow fill the Circles, it's likely that they would face frequent uprisings if the Templars had no special abilities.  Lyrium addiction is an unfortunate side effect of their profession, but the Templars serve a necessary and virtually irreplaceable role.  There is simply no reasonable alternative to combating the dangers posed by abominations and rogue mages.  Those who are willing to submit themselves to the detrimental effects of lyrium for the greater good should be praised for their sacrifice, not shunned because of the health problems they will ultimately face due to prolonged use.

[Elfquisitor]

The only good templar is a dead templar.

The only good mage, is a leashed mage.

[Star fury]

The only good mage, is a leashed mage.

Considering the fact that the Dalish are led by mages, your name makes your statement incredibly ironic. Elven inquisitor can only be Dalish.

[Lulupab]

I thought it was confirmed non-canon

 

It hasn't been confirmed at all, no official person has commented on it. WOT and Wiki have posted this paragraph as canon:

 

"A former templar, Rolan, infiltrates the Grey Warden ranks to keep a close watch on Anders. After Anders allows Justice to use his body as a host, Rolan accuses him of becoming an abomination and brings the templars down on him, stating that the Wardens agreed with the decision. Anders kills Rolan, the templars, and the Wardens and flees."

 

Maybe the details of how it happened are not canon, but Anders killed Rolan and that's canon.

[john-in-france]

@Lulupab

Since the other specialisations are being expanded on, I expect that the Templar spec will also be improved and expanded, just like it was changed after DAO.

 

Personally I preferred playing a tank/damager in NM which the Templar spec linked into beautifully, so yes I understand your reasoning that Beserker/Reaver was best in terms of pure damage. Let us just agree that everyone plays differently, and much of that depends on your personality and type of tactics.  

 

In ME3 multiplayer there was an elitism that was quite painful, and often people would decide a spec was the best damager but be unable to play it properly.

[Uccio]

Templars are made by men, they can be unmade.

[john-in-france]

Has anyone else noticed the Tevinter influence on DAI?

 

Lord Seeker Lambert is a former Tevinter Templar who causes the Knight Commanders to sever their ties to the Chantry and go after the mages...14/15 vote, though not sure who didn't vote. Cullen as acting KC or Greagoir. Though Lamberts right to hold this vote are questionable...he is not Knight Vigilant nor a Knight Divine

 

A Tevinter mage causes the veil tear.

 

Do we have a takeover bid from Tevinter?

 

I know that a lot of people dislike the Templar Order, but what more effective way to get the only army that can face down mages out of the way, than by political and moral division.

[Lumix19]

Has anyone else noticed the Tevinter influence on DAI?

Lord Seeker Lambert is a former Tevinter Templar who causes the Knight Commanders to sever their ties to the Chantry and go after the mages...14/15 vote, though not sure who didn't vote. Cullen as acting KC or Greagoir. Though Lamberts right to hold this vote are questionable...he is not Knight Vigilant nor a Knight Divine

A Tevinter mage causes the veil tear.

Do we have a takeover bid from Tevinter?

I know that a lot of people dislike the Templar Order, but what more effective way to get the only army that can face down mages out of the way, than by political and moral division.

Umm what? I'm seeing the Tevinter influence but how does this help the Imperium?

[john-in-france]

Invasion of the rest of Thedas or parts thereof. According to Merrill, the TI used demonic warfare against Arlathan. Is the tear any different? Varric says it's raining demons.

The people who should be hunting the demons have been directed into a mage killing spree instead. This weakens whole countries, no mages to call on, and no Templar. Tactically a good time for invasion plans.

[Star fury]

Umm what? I'm seeing the Tevinter influence but how does this help the Imperium?

Evil Tevinter is behind everything bad in Thedas. This conspiracy theory sounds eerily familiar to the real world.

[themageguy]

I expect the reactions are mixed. Spirit Warrior's own description says that these warriors are often mistaken as mages because of their relationship with Fade Spirits.

Isn't there a game coming out about a Spirit Warrior running around in Mordor?

[Lulupab]

Isn't there a game coming out about a Spirit Warrior running around in Mordor?

 

I am enjoying it at the moment. A good distraction until DA:I comes out. Technically its an Elven Wraith and he lives inside you and both of you are "banished from death".

[Master Warder Z_]

I didn't read Asunder, so not sure if Evangeline is a competent Templar.

Would she be willing to slay Rhys if she caught him doing blood magic?

She isn't.

She abandoned duty for sentimentality.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Oh I see where you are coming from after this long discussion. Maybe YOU can't because you can't handle positioning, its what nightmare is. You are making the game less challenging by removing the aspects that are meant to be used effectively to go through nightmare and come with risks. Risks that can be neutralized with position and strategy. If you can't handle friendly fire in nightmare then you shouldn't really give advice on warrior class because clearly you either didn't try this build or killed yourself over and over.

 

For example three of your party members, the mage among them retreats and the warrior gains the attention of all enemies. You cast living bomb on enemies around the warrior, when they are about to start to explode you cast barrier (immunity to all forms of damage) on warrior. All enemies go boom with that huge damage and the warrior is safe and sound. This is what nightmare is about and if you can't handle this then you shouldn't discuss how warrior works on nightmare. With simple positioning and strategy Berserker/Reaver/vanguard is the best way to play warrior and rival both mage and rogue in terms of damage. Unless you want to become a target dummy, that's the way to go. Its obvious you have't tried it due to friendly fire.

 

Also the stun chance is 100%, bosses are not "normal" enemies therefore might resist it. Same with most of CC.

MAGES as we were talking about, are not normal enemies. They are always of rank elite or higher, meaning they get a 50% chance or higher to resist your vaunted Pommel Strike. NOTHING can resist Silence. It is a 100% effectiveness.

 

And whats with your arrogance? I can handle firendly fire just fine. But you know the ebst way to handle it? To AVOID it. Instead of wasting stats and talents on making sure your team can withstand your OWN retarded placement of spells, then maybe just make sure, that your team isn't hit by any at all? Walking Bomb is NOT one of the easier spells to place, since it is dependant on the enemy target to stay away from your party. Meaning you either have to CC him, effectively isolating him making the spell useless, or only target ranged enemies, meaning the spell is of limited use.

 

At the end of the day. Your claim is STILL bullshit. It always was bullshit. And it will remain bullshit. That YOU prefer a playstyle does NOT invalidate any other playstyle. So shut up. Sit down. And remain silent, while the rest of us discuss the actual topic of this thread.

[raging_monkey]

Lets play nice. RP all you guys/gals want but keep it civil no need to insult each other

[SgtSteel91]

It seems like a good spec to have, but not one I want my PC to take. It's the part where you have to keep huffing lyrium to keep using the ability that turns me off from taking it as my PC's specialization. I'd rather be friends with a Templar and have him do the anti-magic stuff. If my PC just had to huff lyrium once and then have the ability forever then I would change my mind.

[Lulupab]

MAGES as we were talking about, are not normal enemies. They are always of rank elite or higher, meaning they get a 50% chance or higher to resist your vaunted Pommel Strike. NOTHING can resist Silence. It is a 100% effectiveness.

 

And whats with your arrogance? I can handle firendly fire just fine. But you know the ebst way to handle it? To AVOID it. Instead of wasting stats and talents on making sure your team can withstand your OWN retarded placement of spells, then maybe just make sure, that your team isn't hit by any at all? Walking Bomb is NOT one of the easier spells to place, since it is dependant on the enemy target to stay away from your party. Meaning you either have to CC him, effectively isolating him making the spell useless, or only target ranged enemies, meaning the spell is of limited use.

 

At the end of the day. Your claim is STILL bullshit. It always was bullshit. And it will remain bullshit. That YOU prefer a playstyle does NOT invalidate any other playstyle. So shut up. Sit down. And remain silent, while the rest of us discuss the actual topic of this thread.

 

I was expecting a rage comment given that I countered every single thing you threw at me. One after another and every time you changed the topic to another mechanic. Templar spec in DA2 does not provide anything against blood magic and spirit magic which is the majority of magical attacks in the game, it only helps the warrior to become a target dummy for its allies, and finally its severely outclassed by other warrior specs. Everyone can enjoy their game however they like but nothing can change the fact that Templar spec remains as one of the least useful warrior trees, as if warrior was not weak enough.  

 

You can never kill dozens of enemies in a blink with anything BUT living bomb and this spell is not for everyone and clearly you are unable to utilize it. ALL CC in the game are 100% versus normal enemies so Templar is no snowflake, even if its not in the spell description all elite enemies can resist everything. But since other Warrior CCs have lesser cooldown you can try again sooner so therefore its more effective.

 

This is a single player game and people have finished it without spending a single attribute point so in the end it comes to flavor, but the fact remains some builds and some characters are better than others. I can only hope that this will not be repeated in DA:I.

[EmperorSahlertz]

 

It seems like a good spec to have, but not one I want my PC to take. It's the part where you have to keep huffing lyrium to keep using the ability that turns me off from taking it as my PC's specialization. I'd rather be friends with a Templar and have him do the anti-magic stuff. If my PC just had to huff lyrium once and then have the ability forever then I would change my mind.

You drink lyrium....

[Lulupab]

 

 

 

You drink lyrium....

 

And inject.

[SgtSteel91]

 

 

 

You drink lyrium....

 

 

Huff or drink, whatever I'm not into the idea of constantly ingesting lyrium to be able to use templar abilities.

[john-in-france]

@SgtSteel91 

 

Yet are wardens so different? They are joined, and the taint kills them early, just to make them better fighters.

Templars taking lyrium, do so to protect both the people of Thedas from magic, and also mages from themselves and demonic possession. It is easy to come up with a character who would do this in RPG terms.

 

Lyrium addiction has been confirmed as not being implemented in game, so neither Mages nor Templar will suffer withdrawal symptoms (yes mages are effected too).

[Lulupab]

@SgtSteel91 

 

Yet are wardens so different? They are joined, and the taint kills them early, just to make them better fighters.

Templars taking lyrium, do so to protect both the people of Thedas from magic, and also mages from themselves and demonic possession. It is easy to come up with a character who would do this in RPG terms.

 

Lyrium addiction has been confirmed as not being implemented in game, so neither Mages nor Templar will suffer withdrawal symptoms (yes mages are effected too).

 

Mages don't always drink it, they also use it to power up some spells. Templars are much more exposed due to lingering Lyrium in their body because they have to replenish it constantly to remain a Templar. No wonder addiction comes when a substance is in your blood 24/7.