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[Enigmatick]

OP you got your answers, stop with the Off topic discussion before the thread blows up.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Who's complaining about Dorian being gay? Seriously, I hear this on BSN all the time. Except for a few comments in threads (out of thousands of comments I might add) I heardly hear this stuff. Beside this is the internet, everybody complains about everything.

[Flog the Undying]

Wait one minute, wat supposed privilege do straight male gamers have?

 

Straight white male gamers are almost always represented in any AAA game.

 

Gay gamers, female gamers, and PoC gamers aften aren't, and when they are they're often stereotyped.

 

Still waiting for you to show me one single comment in this thread calling all straight men and women intolerant dicks.

[ghostzodd]

Straight white male gamers are almost always represented in any AAA game.

 

Gay gamers, female gamers, and PoC gamers aften aren't, and when they are they're often stereotyped.

 

A developer should be able to make what ever game they want, if they want to market to "straight male gamers" then so be it. If Bioware wants to market to LGBT community then so be it. As long as a game has good writing/game play why do you get up in arms about it?

 

Why do people want to stifle a developers creativity?

[Flog the Undying]

A Developer should be able to make what ever game they want, if they want to market to "straight male gamers" then so be it. If Bioware wants to market to LGBT community then so be it.

 

But Bioware market to both straight males and LGBT gamers. What's actively wrong with being more inclusive?

 

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to. I'm saying it's a bad decision, as it just widens the societal gaps between the majority and the minority.

[SardaukarElite]

A Developer should be able to make what ever game they want, if they want to market to "straight male gamers" then so be it. If Bioware wants to market to LGBT community then so be it.

 

They are. People are also able to tell them that their games are boring, simplistic and exclusive, and that a few minor changes would make them better.

 

It's called criticism.

[Panda]

Who's complaining about Dorian being gay? Seriously, I hear this on BSN all the time. Except for a few comments in threads (out of thousands of comments I might add) I heardly hear this stuff. Beside this is the internet, everybody complains about everything.

 

I haven't seen it here but everytime I read article of the Inquisition there it is in the comment section as most voted comment or most recent one ^^; Maybe online game magazines have different kind of followers than how people in BSN are in general.

[Flog the Undying]

Why do people want to stifle a developers creativity?

 

Creating a game in which the only important people are straight white males is the opposite of creativity, surely.

[andar91]

Wait one minute, wat supposed privilege do straight male gamers have?

 

Oh dear.

 

These are the best resources I've seen. Here you go.

 

http://www.polygon.c...ming-while-male

 

http://whatever.scal...tting-there-is/

 

 

 

Oh, I should also add that privilege is often misunderstood. Nobody has a choice whether or not they have privilege, and it's not the same as calling somebody homophobic or racist or whatever (though the two often and understandably mix). So you can be super supportive of women and their issues and such but still benefit from male privilege because you're a guy. It's in the system and out of any one person's control.

[ghostzodd]

But Bioware market to both straight males and LGBT gamers. What's actively wrong with being more inclusive?

 

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to. I'm saying it's a bad decision, as it just widens the societal gaps between the majority and the minority.

 

But what your advocating is controlling someones idea. lets say If Rockstar wants 3 male protagonists for their game then why do you people get mad about that? That was *their* own vision for *their* game

[ghostzodd]

Oh dear.

 

These are the best resources I've seen. Here you go.

 

http://www.polygon.c...ming-while-male

 

http://whatever.scal...tting-there-is/

 

See you lost me at linking sites like polygon

[ghostzodd]

Creating a game in which the only important people are straight white males is the opposite of creativity, surely.

 

So your into controlling someone's art/ creative freedom because you do not like that it is not pandering to you gotcha, stay classy BSN

[andar91]

See you lost me at linking sites like polygon

 

If you're straight up refusing to read my answers, than I guess that means you don't really care about what I have to say. I'm guessing you've already decided these problems don't exist, aren't important, or you just don't care. I'll save you the trouble of clicking, though. This is from the Polygon article.

Spoiler

 

1. I can choose to remain completely oblivious, or indifferent to the harassment that many women face in gaming spaces.
2. I am never told that video games or the surrounding culture is not intended for me because I am male.
3. I can publicly post my username, gamertag or contact information online without having to fear being stalked or sexually harassed because of my gender.
4. I will never be asked to "prove my gaming cred" simply because of my gender.
5. If I enthusiastically express my fondness for video games no one will automatically assume I’m faking my interest just to "get attention" from other gamers.
6. I can look at practically any gaming review site, show, blog or magazine and see the voices of people of my own gender widely represented.
7. When I go to a gaming event or convention, I can be relatively certain that I won’t be harassed, groped, propositioned or catcalled by total strangers.
8. I will never be asked or expected to speak for all other gamers who share my gender.
9. I can be sure that my gaming performance (good or bad) won’t be attributed to or reflect on my gender as a whole.
10. My gaming ability, attitude, feelings or capability will never be called into question based on unrelated natural biological functions.
11. I can be relatively sure my thoughts about video games won’t be dismissed or attacked based solely on my tone of voice, even if I speak in an aggressive, obnoxious, crude or flippant manner.
12. I can openly say that my favorite games are casual, odd, non-violent, artistic, or cute without fear that my opinions will reinforce a stereotype that "men are not real gamers."
13. When purchasing most major video games in a store, chances are I will not be asked if (or assumed to be) buying it for a wife, daughter or girlfriend.
14. The vast majority of game studios, past and present, have been led and populated primarily by people of my own gender and as such most of their products have been specifically designed to cater to my demographic.
15. I can walk into any gaming store and see images of my gender widely represented as powerful heroes, villains and non-playable characters alike.
16. I will almost always have the option to play a character of my gender, as most protagonists or heroes will be male by default.
17. I do not have to carefully navigate my engagement with online communities or gaming spaces in order to avoid or mitigate the possibility of being harassed because of my gender.
18. I probably never think about hiding my real-life gender online through my gamer-name, my avatar choice, or by muting voice-chat, out of fear of harassment resulting from my being male.
19. When I enter an online game, I can be relatively sure I won’t be attacked or harassed when and if my real-life gender is made public
20. If I am trash-talked or verbally berated while playing online, it will not be because I am male nor will my gender be invoked as an insult.
21. While playing online with people I don’t know I won’t be interrogated about the size and shape of my real-life body parts, nor will I be pressured to share intimate details about my sex life for the pleasure of other players.
22. Complete strangers generally do not send me unsolicited images of their genitalia or demand to see me naked on the basis of being a male gamer.
23. In multiplayer games I can be pretty sure that conversations between other players will not focus on speculation about my "attractiveness" or "sexual availability" in real-life.
24. If I choose to point out sexism in gaming, my observations will not be seen as self-serving, and will therefore be perceived as more credible and worthy of respect than those of my female counterparts, even if they are saying the exact same thing.
25. Because it was created by a straight white male, this checklist will likely be taken more seriously than if it had been written by virtually any female gamer.

[Rawgrim]

Quick question: Is Dorian the first "full blown" gay companion Bioware has done so far?

[Enigmatick]

Waaaaay Off topic here.

[Nashimura]

See you lost me at linking sites like polygon

 

Because obviously that invalidates his point right? 

[andar91]

So your into controlling someone's art/ creative freedom because you do not like that it is not pandering to you gotcha, stay classy BSN

 

Sorry for the double post, but what you said is EXACTLY what privilege does. Nobody's trying to "control someone's creative freedom", but we're entirely within our rights to point out that it is pandering to one segment of the population. Criticism is not the same thing as censorship. Believe me, it's not the queer/female/non-white/disabled/etc... people who are being pandered to.

[ghostzodd]

Quick question: Is Dorian the first "full blown" gay companion Bioware has done so far?

 

no Juhani was gay I believe

[WildOrchid]

Quick question: Is Dorian the first "full blown" gay companion Bioware has done so far?

 

Steve Cortez.

 

Edit: oh you mean companions, nvm

[andar91]

I think there was somebody in Jade Empire that was gay too, but I'm not positive. I didn't play that game.

[Flog the Undying]

But what your advocating is controlling someones idea. lets say If Rockstar wants 3 male protagonists for their game then why do you people get mad about that? That was *their* own vision for *their* game

 

I'm not advocating that, again I'm not saying we should force them to do anything.

 

However, with games like Far cry where so far in the series there have been 13 male protagonists and 0 female protagonists, you have to question 'why'. It's not a coincidence.

 

And then when you get into why you get into them thinking that men are more dewep or more appropariate x13 in all these specific circumstances for x y and z and they slowly show the sexism we all have ingrained into us.

 

 

Criticizing a game is perfectly allowed.

 

Do you think people should be prevented from voicing their opinions?

[Flog the Undying]

Quick question: Is Dorian the first "full blown" gay companion Bioware has done so far?

 

I believe so; the first male gay companion.

[katerinafm]

Because:
lesbian=sexy
Gay male=gross corruption of youth and morals

Though to be honest, I haven't heard any rampage about Dorian. It also could be that haters who wanted to romance Dorian and can't. Haha

 

Pretty much this. And there hasn't really been a rampage about Dorian here. But there are sites like gamespot that have articles that focus on the fact that he's gay for click bait and get a ton of hate comments, people swearing off Bioware because of the scary homosexuality, etcetc. As if gamespot commenters didn't swear off Bioware products already because of DA2 and ME3 and still make color coded jokes.

[Nashimura]

I think there was somebody in Jade Empire that was gay too, but I'm not positive. I didn't play that game.

 

Sky, he was Bi though... 

 

 

I would recommend paying it too, good game. 

[Flog the Undying]

So your into controlling someone's art/ creative freedom because you do not like that it is not pandering to you gotcha, stay classy BSN

 

You are saying people shouldn't voice their opinions about sexism in the industry i.e. they shouldn't exercise their right of free speech. That is just as oppressive and constricting as what you say we wish on the sexist devs in the first place.