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[BartDude52]

@andar91: Articles like the one you provided from Polygon has got to be some of the biggest man-hating rubbish I've ever had the displeasure to read. Like seriously, how are any of the things on that list "privileges"? Sure, maybe they might make my life a little less inconvenient, so to say, but they're hardly "privileges". The word "privilege" suggests (to me at least) that I've got some special right that people not like me don't have (e.g. the right to vote in the past); so no, I'm not exactly "privileged" because I'm male (maybe in the distant past I would have been, yes, but certainly not anymore). If all of the things on that list are so called "privileges", then, if anything, a woman currently has way more "privileges" (in general) than I as a man do (e.g. not being forced into military conscription in some countries like Norway and Switzerland).

[In Exile]

My perception of it is that this is the the partly truth.

 

The other part is that they're just pushing her buttons."Ha you dislike rape?Hahaha I will rape you."It's like small children in kindergarden really."You dislike me kicking your toy"Hahaha I will kick your toy".It's not about her being a woman(at least a part of it), it's about stupid people on the internet pushing the buttons on the internet of a person they dislike.

 

It's like cursing Jesus in the comments in a christian video or Muhammed in a muslim video.It's because people on the internet act immature and think they're boss when they offend someone.

 

The fact that (a) even if you're right the fact that you think this is actually OK behaviour or not that big of a deal is honestly a terrifying thing for me and ( threatening someone is a criminal offence. Let me put it this way: would you say any of this about, say, the President or the First Lady? And would you expect to get away with it? These people are all loons. 

 

But you're right, this is if off-topic. 

[daveliam]

@andar91: Articles like the one you provided from Polygon has got to be some of the biggest man-hating rubbish I've ever had the displeasure to read. Like seriously, how are any of the things on that list "privileges"? Sure, maybe they might make my life a little less inconvenient, so to say, but they're hardly "privileges". The word "privilege" suggests (to me at least) that I've got some special right that people not like me don't have (e.g. the right to vote in the past); so no, I'm not exactly "privileged" because I'm male (maybe in the distant past I would have been, yes, but certainly not anymore). If all of the things on that list are so called "privileges", then, if anything, a woman currently has way more "privileges" (in general) than I as a man do (e.g. not being forced into military conscription in some countries like Norway and Switzerland).

 

Men and women both have privileges.  The idea of privilege is absolutely the furthest thing from "man-hating".  Simply pointing out the ways in which men are privileged does not = "man-hating".

 

The term "privilege" in this context is an academic term from social science research.  It's that particular way of using the word that people are discussing.  It's the difference between a common use of a word and an academic use of the word.  They are both correct, although many people are unfamiliar with the academic term.

[CIA]

In times like these, I find it nice to type out several paragraphs of elegantly worded rage that describes your exact personal feelings towards the nonsense people spout, then delete it all from the text box and play a nice game of Civ

[In Exile]

@andar91: Articles like the one you provided from Polygon has got to be some of the biggest man-hating rubbish I've ever had the displeasure to read. Like seriously, how are any of the things on that list "privileges"? Sure, maybe they might make my life a little less inconvenient, so to say, but they're hardly "privileges". The word "privilege" suggests (to me at least) that I've got some special right that people not like me don't have (e.g. the right to vote in the past); so no, I'm not exactly "privileged" because I'm male (maybe in the distant past I would have been, yes, but certainly not anymore). If all of the things on that list are so called "privileges", then, if anything, a woman currently has way more "privileges" (in general) than I as a man do (e.g. not being forced into military conscription in some countries like Norway and Switzerland).

 

You're wrong. The concept of "privilege" refers, basically, to an inborn benefit that applies to an entire group in comparison to another entire group. There are lots of poor white guys with little say, power or control over their lives. The concept isn't meant to refer to individual people. It refers to the fact, for example, that the rich and powerful in our society happen to be (old) white men, and they happen to have created (or otherwise supported) a social structure that favours people with their beliefs, experience and appearance. 

 

Let's take a simple example. A lot of upper management positions in corporations are very male heavy. Men have lots of activities they like to do, largely deriving from our culture - e.g. play sports. So after work, people might want to chill at a bar or go play basketball or golf. They'd like to talk about sports. These are activities that large numbers of women don't take part in. So when it comes time to promote to (or from) upper management, the decision makers (largely men) will pick people who are in their network (competent or not), and because of the basic gendered culture we have, those people are more likely than not going to be men.

 

That's the concept of privilege. It's not meant to be some meaningful advantage (like the difference between being a serf and a noble in 14th century Russia). It's meant to be about systemic differences that seriously undercut our assumption that our society is exclusively (or as close to that as a human society can get) based on merit and otherwise fair. 

[InfinitePaths]

*coughs*

 

Uhm people...Wasn't the pourpose of this thread to talk about Dorian?
 

 

 

 

I think we got just little tiny bit carried away, shall we return to the topic at hand, plz?

[andar91]

Dude, I'm not going to waste my time. While my knowledge of any academic work on this topic is not comprehensive, my general impression of it is that it IS rather hazy because, once again, it's complicated. Not good enough for you? Sorry, but the answers aren't that clear-cut. But I think it's a fairly safe assumption that media probably has some effect. Again, not solid enough? I don't care. It's common sense.

 

I can anticipate your response. Unless I provide some sort of study to support what I'm saying, or tangible evidence, you're essentially saying that it's as good as nothing. I won't dispute the value of good evidence, but I'm also gonna say that, at some point, I think it becomes obvious. Media has an effect on us. I'm sure people have studied this, but I don't have access to it on short notice. It's not all-powerful, but come on. Really? Media doesn't matter? It's what we make - it says something. It's what we consume - it tells us something.

 

What, exactly, are people so invested in when they argue against the idea of things like more inclusivity? What do you have to lose? Is it that radical a notion?

 

Here's another radical notion. Why don't we try to be respectful and inclusive because it's nice? Because it's the right thing to do? Because it might more accurately reflect the real world and some of the people living in it? I don't know what else I can say, to be honest. These things aren't quantifiable. But they're real, and they matter to a lot of people.

 

You don't need a chart (though you could make one) to walk into Gamestop, look at the games on sale, and see that the vast majority of them have white male protagonists (or assume one). That's the tip of a freaking ice burg. Non-straight ones? I can't think of a single one. At all. 

 

At this point, I think I've said all I need to say on this topic at this time. No doubt it's too vague for some, but I'll stand by it. If I find / see any evidence, I'll share it.

 

Minor Note: I disagree about Sarkeesian for most of the reasons listed above. Yeah, she's general, but she's not doing in-depth analyses of games but of tropes in representation of women. Also, while I never studied it as a major, I was exposed to a lot of feminist academia in college, and nothing Anita said seems far off to me. Undoubtedly, some feminists would disagree with some of her points, but I haven't seen anything hugely off. At the very least, she's taking part in a very important conversation. And the part you mentioned about implicit encouragement? I don't think that she would deny that player choice is relevant, but she's right (imo) that not only is it incentivized, it's rarely penalized in any significant way (you could 'bad guy karma points' or you get a minor penalty). There's also issues of who's playing those sorts of games - it's often young kids whose parents don't talk to them about that kind of stuff (which is a whole other problem). Anyway, that's it.

[AlexiaRevan]

*coughs*

 

Uhm people...Wasn't the pourpose of this thread to talk about Dorian?
 

 

 

 

I think we got just little tiny bit carried away, shall we return to the topic at hand, plz?

I like his moustache   

[In Exile]

*coughs*

 

Uhm people...Wasn't the pourpose of this thread to talk about Dorian?
 

 

 

 

I think we got just little tiny bit carried away, shall we return to the topic at hand, plz?

 

The real question, obviously, is top or bottom. 

 

We should ... thrust the thread in that direction. 

[WildOrchid]

I like his moustache 

 

Who doesn't

[In Exile]

Who doesn't

 

I don't.

 

I prefer my guys clean shaven. 

[daveliam]

The real question, obviously, is top or bottom. 

 

We should ... thrust the thread in that direction. 

 

I like the top half.  It has the dashing moustache!

 

Wait.......that's what you mean by top, right, Exile........?

[AlexiaRevan]

Who doesn't

well some peoples don't . In Swtor I saw alot of Jeeday players run around with long weird beard and it just make them look older lol Some moustache look good , a beard..for me always feel like it age the person somehow . But he look stylish with it though   

[InfinitePaths]

The real question, obviously, is top or bottom. 

 

We should ... thrust the thread in that direction. 

 

I believe his mage staff will be able to open up tight rifts.

 

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(I know, I'm horrible)

[AlexiaRevan]

I believe his wizzard staff will be able to open up tight rifts.

 

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(I know, I'm horrible)

Tsk...as long as he doesn't get near our *personal Rift* I won't shave him in rataliation !!   

[In Exile]

I like the top half.  It has the dashing moustache!

 

Wait.......that's what you mean by top, right, Exile........?

 

Why, of course. Whatever else could I have meant? 

 

I believe his mage staff will be able to open up tight rifts.

 

...

 

Knowing his way around a tight rift won't do him much good when he meets my templar Inquisitor. He'll have no choice but to face his two-handed greatsword. Mages tend to be fragile - they can never take much... pounding. 

[Flog the Undying]

The real question, obviously, is top or bottom. 

 

We should ... thrust the thread in that direction. 

 

Maybe we should *put a plug* in this now

 

Oh god why did I why

[In Exile]

Maybe we should *put a plug* in this now

 

Oh god why did I why

 

Haha. 

 

Okay, I think we have a winner. That comment made a ... big splash. 

[daveliam]

This thread now makes me happy.  Well done everyone!

[InfinitePaths]

I hear that in Tevinter, mages use their "slaves" to take care of their "long staves".

 

 

 

 

 

(Ok, I am so done )

[In Exile]

This thread now makes me happy.  Well done everyone!

 

Recently I've realized the power of unrepentant and blatantly overt flirting as a weapon in the war against bigotry. It's my new default. 

[In Exile]

I hear that in Tevinter, mages use their "slaves" to deal with their "long staves".

 

(Ok, I am so done )

 

Freeing all those lithe, tanned slaves from their... bondage ... keeps my Inquisitor up at night. 

[daveliam]

Recently I've realized the power of unrepentant and blatantly overt flirting as a weapon in the war against bigotry. It's my new default. 

 

I approve of this tremendously.  There is little joy comparable to flirting with a straight guy.  I have a feeling that Dorian will support this as well.

[andar91]

I hear that in Tevinter, mages use their "slaves" to deal with their "long staves".

 

 

 

 

 

(Ok, I am so done )

 

Oh, ewwww, that's not cool.

 

I know puns are fun, though. But ewwwwww, rape.

 

I don't know if I ever actually said this, but I am happy Dorian is gay. Bisexuality is great, but I like a wider range of sexualities. Everybody being bi sort of bugged me.

[InfinitePaths]

Oh, ewwww, that's not cool.

 

I know puns are fun, though. But ewwwwww, rape.

 

 

I was trying to reference consentual master/slave sexual roleplay with my pun.

 

Though, my posts sometimes get misinterpetrated xD.Sorry if it associated you to rape.