From what I've read, advisors can't be killed in the game. I believe they can be treated like dirt, just not killed
My only thing about Cullen, is that in a short time, he's seen as a very young Templar still wet behind the ears, and then in Kirkwall he's Knight-Captain. I like to know what made Meredith choose him for that postion over all the other Templars.
@Themikefest, he withstood demonic torture for weeks when his colleagues just gave up. People with that type of gift/willpower would be rare...I'm actually surprised that the Seekers didn't grab him for their order.
From what I've read, advisors can't be killed in the game. I believe they can be treated like dirt, just not killed
My only thing about Cullen, is that in a short time, he's seen as a very young Templar still wet behind the ears, and then in Kirkwall he's Knight-Captain. I like to know what made Meredith choose him for that postion over all the other Templars.
@Themikefest, he withstood demonic torture for weeks when his colleagues just gave up. People with that type of gift/willpower would be rare...I'm actually surprised that the Seekers didn't grab him for their order.
Not really. People can have a lot of willpower when the time come that never knew they had. It still doesn't explain why Meredith would make him Knight-Captain. I wouldn't. Plus we don't know any of the backgrounds of the other Templars in Kirkwall that have been a Templar far longer than Cullen
Probably has something to do with a year or two going by since the Circle's problems in Ferelden and him surviving, and having first hand knowledge of, the very worst mages can do to people.
That sort of experience and knowledge are probably highly prized by a no-nonsense militant focused Knight Commander.
He may have first hand experience, it still doesn't explain why he would be made Knight-Capatain vs the other Templars in Kirkwall that have been there longer.
Cullen's promotion is explained in the codex, Meredith simply liked his views...
“After Cullen returned to his duties, it became clear that he would go to any lengths to enforce the Chantry's rule. His zeal troubled Knight-Commander Greagoir, who feared it unwise to let Cullen watch over the men and women he deemed responsible for his torment. Greagoir sent Cullen to serve under Knight-commander Meredith in Kirkwall, hoping time away would calm him, and Meredith found Cullen's view of mages similar to her own. Of her company, only Cullen had seen mages' potentially terrifying power firsthand, and she believed he could influence the other templars' views. Consequently, Cullen rose quickly through the ranks to become knight-captain and Meredith's second-in-command.”
Not really. People can have a lot of willpower when the time come that never knew they had. It still doesn't explain why Meredith would make him Knight-Captain. I wouldn't. Plus we don't know any of the backgrounds of the other Templars in Kirkwall that have been a Templar far longer than Cullen
He may have first hand experience, it still doesn't explain why he would be made Knight-Capatain vs the other Templars in Kirkwall that have been there longer.
Knight-Captain is a leadership position for which Cullen has no experience with. He survives the circle in Fereldon doesn't make him a leader. There is no mentioning of what experience the other Templars have in Kirkwall. And when he mentions he has a hard time talking to the women in the Blooming Rose, he still comes across as that little boy first seen in DAO. If he was any kind of leader, that would not phase him, but it does. If anything, I would keep him as a regular Temaplar and then in Act 3, make him Knight-Captain
I would not make him Knight-Captain with his background and lack of leadship skills.
I would not make him Knight-Captain with his background and lack of leadship skills.
The people making the game are comfortable putting Cullen in various positions of leadership throughout the games, though (Commander in the DAO rumor slides, Captain in DA2, general in DA:I), so whether you or I or Joe or Jane would give him this job or that job matters very little. Yours or mine or anyone's superficial judgement of Cullen's skills are overruled by those who best know the character (the people writing him).
The people making the game are comfortable putting Cullen in various positions of leadership throughout the games, though (Commander in the DAO rumor slides, Captain in DA2, general in DA:I), so whether you or I or Joe or Jane would give him this job or that job matters very little. Yours or mine or anyone's superficial judgement of Cullen's skills are overruled by those who best know the character (the people writing him).
Yes it is up to the writers. Still, I would not put him in that position.
He's hot.From what I've read, advisors can't be killed in the game. I believe they can be treated like dirt, just not killed
My only thing about Cullen, is that in a short time, he's seen as a very young Templar still wet behind the ears, and then in Kirkwall he's Knight-Captain. I like to know what made Meredith choose him for that postion over all the other Templars.
He's hot.
Pretty much the only reason he sticks around to this day...
Like him or hate him, I would argue that Cullen is actually a very well written character with a lot of potential for growth. His "hotness" may have factored into his being made an LI, but I doubt that was the reason he was made an advisor.Pretty much the only reason he sticks around to this day...
Don't worry. They only brought him back so they can reveal the last minute twist that a Templar must give their life to end the fade rip. Step on in and die already, Cullen!
Don't worry. They only brought him back so they can reveal the last minute twist that a Templar must give their life to end the fade rip. Step on in and die already, Cullen!
I would be so happy...
Pretty much the only reason he sticks around to this day...
Really....
I think he is in as his story presents a good arc of personal growth. From the tragic mage hater of DAO (understandably with what he went through), to the more balanced but still distrusting view of DA2, to what I imagine will be a rather balanced character in DAI.
He gives a continuous idea of in game views on mages that other characters really don't. Especially those who have seen the evolution.
In other words, he is a character that has been shaped and built over 3 games and has a backstory we as players have actually seen to give his character depth.
Whats more, his view on Magic and Mages-a centerpiece social issue in DA isn't based on external OOC beliefs and opinions of the players themselves, they are based on his very real in game first hand experiences. He is a truly fascinating character with a lot of depth potential to him.
And I can assure you, his looks have nothing to do with why I find his character interesting.
Was it fanservice when Oghren, Leliana, or Anders came back regardless of their endings? Or do you like those characters better so it's not fanservice?
While I agree that Oghren and Leliana coming back hasn't gotten a proper and good explanation. They gave an adequate and reasonable explanation as to why Anders comes back.
y'all Cullen-haters just jelly of the glorious magnificence that is the Cullen Thread 3.0 
Seriously though, I see no reason why Cullen can't be discussed without making personal attacks. Let's be courteous. 
While I agree that Oghren and Leliana coming back hasn't gotten a proper and good explanation. They gave an adequate and reasonable explanation as to why Anders comes back.
Their is a pretty simple reason as to why Leliana comes back. You supposedly killed her in a room full of magic capable of curing anything. In other words she got better.
In addition I suspect if you don't desecrate the ashes, that Leliana is the reason they later disappear. But that is just conjecture.
I'm surprised people can't see any interesting possibilities/any reason for Cullen's appearance in DAI. Not to say they lack creativity or critical thinking thinking skills... but um... maybe they're too mired in their hatred of the Chantry/templars/"pretty boys" to try to understand why the writers decided to add him.
It's not the Templars I hate, nor is it the Chantry. And I'm not one of those people who get jealous over a fictional character. He is not the first pretty boy in RPGs and he sure as hell won't be the last. Its Him I hate specifically him. I hate his personality, he gives off a vibe I simply find disgusting.
I was annoyed by his "Kill them all" Attitude when I saw him in that bubble. Yeah he has been tortured for days. How does that make him special I ask? People are brutality tortured all the time in that universe people are tormented by demons all the time in that universe how is he special, and why should my mage care what a fear stricken zealot has to say about the mages? Doubled when I played a female mage. Because he is shy and stuttering I should feel sorry for him?
As for his place in DA2, he only got worse because Meredith is an enabler. He takes your sister away, and I was WAITING...WAITING for the chance to smoke his ass, but no, they game tries to make you see that he is more "Understanding". Heck no. The only thing he showed was that he had common sense what anyone with a brain would see that Meredith went insane. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. It doesn't excuse that he took my sister away. I waiting waiting to kill him during that whole exchange when he and Hawke stared at each other during the aftermath.
And here we are in DA:I and he still exist. I expect that he will remain the same annoyance as he has been for me the past two games, and to make it worse I have to associate with him. The only thing I can take solace in is that I can treat him like crap the entire way.
The only character I have ever thought got brought back over and over simply because someone liked her was Liara, but I always chalked that up to writer service, not fan service.
I'm not sure why they keep bringing Cullen back, but I'm not complaining about it. I don't know why they brought Oghren back, either, but I always figured it had to do with him being a not unpopular character. No, I'm not crying fan service. I just guessed that they figured he'd be easy to write in as the comedic relief; there's nothing deep or involved there. It was just my bad luck that I always wanted to drop kick the little troll.
Maybe his story was one they wanted to tell and why bring in a new character to tell it when they already had one that we knew and knew something about.
And here we are in DA:I and he still exist. I expect that he will remain the same annoyance as he has been for me the past two games, and to make it worse I have to associate with him. The only thing I can take solace in is that I can treat him like crap the entire way.
We all have that one character we can't stand. See, in example, I can't stand Morrigan. Everything about her grates me. Yet I still must suffer her continued existence and prominence throughout several games, and my various characters' continued association with her. It's my burden to bear if I want to stay involved with this series. You can't stand Cullen, yet you too will have to suffer him. That's the game. It is what it is. We don't own the story, we don't get to decide where it goes, who leaves and who stays.
But see, I don't go into Morrigan threads just to point out time and time again how much I dislike her, how much I wish I could kill her, how I'm going to treat her like crap, how much I wish she died in horrible ways (I don't, but for discussion's sake) etc etc the way you do every time Cullen's name is brought up. That's rude to people who like her, and pointless more than anything, because whining about her existence won't bring her any close to leaving the game. That's what you're doing here, and in every marginally remotely related thread - whining and pouting and stomping your feet about Cullen, like spewing your hate for him everywhere will accomplish anything. It doesn't. It's just rude to his fans, and it's not going to convince BW to remove him from your game or give you special advisor-murdering skills. Yes he is in your game, and no you can't kill him. It's time to come to terms with it.
Let it go, man. This poison eating you inside will lead you nowhere. Don't go into Cullen threads, if you find yourself in one just close the tab and move on with your life, ignore his existence in and outside the game. Turn your hate into apathy and stop caring what happens to Cullen. You can't change his fate, so just keep your distance from him and his fans and focus on the things you do like instead. Don't be That Guy who just whines about things he hates, be the guy who's happy about the things he loves. You'll be doing yourself a favor in the long term, by not obsessing over a fictional character you don't like to the point of giving yourself coronaries about his mere existence when, at the end of the day, that's the one thing you can't change either way.
Let it go, let it go...
Justice and Anders technically that you "can't avoid" in both Origins and DA2, and since for all we know there might be a ghost version of Anders if we chose to kill him at the end of DA2
David Gaider confirmed that if Hawke killed Anders, he is ultimately dead. Justice, however, may be another story. Hinting at the possibility that he can go on to "possess" someone else.
As to others: Leliana, Teagan (granted if Alistair was killed or stayed a Grey Warden I don't think he'll appear except in the MoTA DLC), Sketch from Leliana's Song
Can't think of anyone else.
Aside from my fan-crush on him, he actually has the potential for a great character. We know so little about his background, only knowing what happened to him in Ferelden and the events in Kirkwall. Other than that, we know nothing of any personal nature so he has untapped potential. You can't say he has no leadership skills or this-that and the other thing because we know absolutely nothing about him and what his life was before he took his vows into the Templar order. We don't know how long he was in the Circle in Ferelden before Uldred took over, he may have been still trying to settle into the Order and finding a place making him awkward. I have a feeling he hadn't been part of the Order for a long period of time, Templar prejudices hadn't set in until Uldred(but thats my opinion).
Let it go, let it go...
I don't want to let go of the hate I have for certain characters in Dragon Age!
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