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[Degenerate Rakia Time]

hell yes i will, and if there arent any i will abuse Cheat Engine

[Sylvius the Mad]

It's not abuse. It is merely use.

It does not matter to anyone else how you play a single-player game. There is no one else for you to disadvantage or offend.

It is not possible to abuse to console commands.

[Gtdef]

I only start using consoles and mods and whatnot only after I beat the game in the highest difficulty I care to beat it. This applies to cosmetic mods as well. I want to have the purest experience possible.

 

In skyrim's case, because it's massive it's harder to do multiple playthroughs, but if I reach a point where dragons melt like butter on Legendary difficulty without exploits, then using cheats won't really change anything.

[Elhanan]

It's not abuse. It is merely use.

It does not matter to anyone else how you play a single-player game. There is no one else for you to disadvantage or offend.

It is not possible to abuse to console commands.

The one exception to this for me is that one may cheat themselves, so a Save before application is recommended. For example, if one planned to increase s Skill a few pts, and inadvertently maxed it, then one could cheat themselves of the game experience. It took me a while to learn that not all Skyrim Skills progressed alike (eg; Illusion requires fewer pts than Destruction).

[Nayawk]

On the billionth DA:O play through 'killallhostiles' was a dear and much beloved friend, if it is there again, and I reach what I consider an excessive character count and I want to see all the possible story outcomes then yes I will use it. 

[ManOfSteel]

I simply gave my opinion. I might have a negative view on cheaters due to me generalizing and stereotyping them as inept (not denying that). I stand by my opinion that statistically - people who tend to cheat also do not tend to be as resourceful or good at things as people who choose not to cheat.

 

My statement was not really made to start an argument. But you seem to have taken offense from my statement since you chose not to deny my point or defend the opposite. What you did do, was come with a very poorly made misdirection (red herring fallacy) to misdirect or distract from the actual issue. This in the form of a completely irrelevant personal attack (ad hominem) which has nothing to do with my statement or the topic of cheating in video games in any way. 

In the 2nd quote here, you claim to see a key flaw in an argument. Which is humorous since by resorting to misdirection just before, instead of coming with constructive arguments for your own standpoint, combined with a crude attempt at ad hominem and an all-together evasion of your own topic - you basically forfeited your credibility.

 

In the context of the 2nd quote though; your intent is obviously intended as humorous, you do not seem to take yourself too seriously and you appear to be in a good mood all-around. With this in mind Im guessing your intent with suddenly starting to swing insults around was not malevolent but a defense mechanism. However as for discussing this topic further Im afraid that ship has sailed as I have deemed you too juvenile and immature for any serious discussion.

I'll have what you're having.

 

 

On the billionth DA:O play through 'killallhostiles' was a dear and much beloved friend, if it is there again, and I reach what I consider an excessive character count and I want to see all the possible story outcomes then yes I will use it. 

 

 

You don't need the console for that!

[Monoten]

Depends how easy it will be to get enough gold. : )

[Squeezeweasel]

Whenever I've been tempted before, I do find that it kind of kills a lot of the enjoyment in a game for me - although in BG:2 I usually find I can't resist and equip several people in the party with the Helm of Glory. (Known in this household as The Magic Hat.)

 

Because lichs and vampires. 

 

I don't like to add money to my purse, though, or to fill up with ammo or spells; for me, doing that breaks the balance of the game. 

[Ruairi46]

In these times I enjoy the fact I'll be playing on the xbone. No temptation to cheat my way through nightmare.

[Ashelsu]

For DAO I only used console command to get another key for Ostagar chest. (Because you can only use it once. That means either don't use it in the beginning, or don't use it in DLC in core game.)

In DA2 I used console to have fun with character models (changing Fenris to Duke Prosper and such, not on the first playthrough.) I found their "iconic" never changing look very boring. And I always added Bethany to the party for the last plays after Act 1. I felt it was justified after MOTA and Legacy, where she can travel with you no problem. That means finally I could have the only mage I like in my party.

For  DAI, we'll see. Probably if I meet a bug.

[Chanda]

I abuse the console for appearance changes, that's it.

 

I fool around with other stuff with it when I want to specifically test something (jump to a specific questline, turn on/off a romance, killallhostiles to get to a specific location quickly), but I never break the game on an actual playthrough.

 

It'll remain the same should we even have a console for this game.

 

Oh yeah, killallhostiles. I used that one for those stupid hordes of npc's that kept coming at me when I would travel Kirkwall at night. "Oh, you're gonna jump outta thin air at me? Fine! Take that!

[Reaverwind]

It's not abuse. It is merely use.

It does not matter to anyone else how you play a single-player game. There is no one else for you to disadvantage or offend.

It is not possible to abuse to console commands.

 

Agreed - I routinely use console commands to deal with annoyances like quest-stopping bugs, bugged abilities, and bugged pathing, and won't hesitate to use kill-all commands on the tedious filler combat which plagues the DA series.

[Shapeshifter777]

I won't "cheat" with invincibility or anything, if that's what you're asking.  That being said, I most certainly WILL use a combination of the appearance and talent / ability commands to "shapeshift" into a variety of different creatures.

[Vapaa]

Only time I did was in Vampire bloodlines, two get through the ridiculous TWO boss fights.

 

But I didn't need them in ME or DA, so I wouldn't use them in DAI.

[Shapeshifter777]

never ever will I use cheats on the first play-through of anything. That's like adding salt to a dish before even tasting it. 

 

That's a surprisingly good analogy.

[veeia]

Probably not at first, unless I screw up hugely and can't reload a recent save, although I have no objection to the idea. But definitely in later PTs.

[Elhanan]

never ever will I use cheats on the first play-through of anything. That's like adding salt to a dish before even tasting it.

Perhaps, but if one is familiar with the chef, sometimes a pre-seasoning of the dish is expected.

[schall_und_rauch]

Mostly, I don't see the point of cheating. Just lowering the difficulty level has the same effect and doesn't have any side effects.

 

I mean, if I can only beat the game at insanity if I have a bazillion gold pieces to buy every piece of equipment there is, I can either give myself a bazillion gold pieces and continue playing on insanity or just set the difficulty level to easy. The effect is the same: My relative strength rises. I will be able to beat the game. However, I am still not able to beat the game at insanity the way it was meant to be played.

 

Something I did use before in DA:O on my third try was the Fade skip mod for the broken circle. I still had to fight the demon, but didn't bother with the endlessly annoying Fade layout.

[xkg]

What does that "beat the game" even means if I may ask ? Because I don't think games like cRPG (especialy those more story oriented) are made to be "beaten".

When I read it the first thing that comes to my mind are arcade / platform / puzle and similar games. But I may be wrong so please tell me.

[frostajulie]

if possible probably. I try not to on my first playthru but in order to move forward if I suck at a certain point then yes. In DAO there were 2 spots I always died at one was in redcliffe castle and the other at the end on my way to the arch demon. I have no problem cheating past an area where I get stuck after I reloaded 2 or 3 times.  In DA2 it was always the Arishok because I stink at kiting unless I play a mage. In ME2 it was that damn flying porcelain aircraft I cheated that things stats so I could just finish up the maps.  I will try t play clean until I can't once I feel frustrated the point of the game for me- a personal vacation from reality to a place where I am super badass and awesome- has been replaced with aggravation. I would not cheat in a competitive game but in a single player ame fr my own pleasure anytime I feel like it yes.

[ArgentVixen]

Only after the first two play throughs, and then that is a maybe. Depends on the level of interest on my part for the third play through.

[Elhanan]

Mostly, I don't see the point of cheating. Just lowering the difficulty level has the same effect and doesn't have any side effects.
 
I mean, if I can only beat the game at insanity if I have a bazillion gold pieces to buy every piece of equipment there is, I can either give myself a bazillion gold pieces and continue playing on insanity or just set the difficulty level to easy. The effect is the same: My relative strength rises. I will be able to beat the game. However, I am still not able to beat the game at insanity the way it was meant to be played.
 
Something I did use before in DA:O on my third try was the Fade skip mod for the broken circle. I still had to fight the demon, but didn't bother with the endlessly annoying Fade layout.

Based on my understanding, using a bot to play a PC on a MMO is cheating; using console commands on a solo game is not in violation of any rule whatsoever.

Adding gold, and purchasing equipment in the game is not cheating; it is earlier access to that same equipment for whatever reason (eg; appearance, better AC or damage, etc).

The Difficulty setting is often seperate from a true challenge. Buffing the opponents while nerfing the PC is not adding Difficulty; it is being asked to fight improved enemies with one arm tied behind the back. True difficulty can be found through the use of mods; perhaps Commands if one is knowledgeable about such things.

Personally, have played DAO somewhere between 20-40 times, and have never skipped the Fade. Yet, that does not equate to calling anyone else using the mod a cheat. Player's game; Player's rules.

[schall_und_rauch]

Based on my understanding, using a bot to play a PC on a MMO is cheating; using console commands on a solo game is not in violation of any rule whatsoever.

Adding gold, and purchasing equipment in the game is not cheating; it is earlier access to that same equipment for whatever reason (eg; appearance, better AC or damage, etc).

The Difficulty setting is often seperate from a true challenge. Buffing the opponents while nerfing the PC is not adding Difficulty; it is being asked to fight improved enemies with one arm tied behind the back. True difficulty can be found through the use of mods; perhaps Commands if one is knowledgeable about such things.
 

 

Call it what you like. Pick a different word for it, if you want. 

Point is: There is an intended game balance, with the price of items in balance with the provided gold as well as the power they offer. It was obviously not intended for players to have infinite gold, otherwise the developers could just set the price of every item to 1 gp. The point of prices is to restrict players, thus offering a challenge and an interesting choice.

 

If you have fun giving yourself super-stats, super-items, or make enemies much weaker via console command, go ahead. Personally, I don't care how you play your game and what level of challenge you consider fun and rewarding.

However, lowering the difficulty level does exactly the same thing: makes you stronger and enemies weaker. 

If you consolecommand yourself a sword that does more damage or reset the difficulty so that enemies have a smaller health pool, the effect is the same: Enemies die quicker.

 

What you refer to as "true difficulty" does not match what the difficulty level implemented by Bioware is.

[ShinsFortress]

Nope.

 

Using cheats is lazy or just plain cheesy to me.  But if Bioware put that feature in, you buy the game and like to use them.... that's your business.

[Jorina Leto]

Spoiler

*press ~ key (or whatever activates it)
*player.additem f 9999999*

The Bethesda money code does not work in Dragon Age games.
The fact that I know what your code does should give you the answer you asked for.