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[vertigomez]

Cole is the corpsey human spirit son Solas and I are going to adopt and raise in our forest hovel.

I'd actually find it more interesting if it was the other way around, that he was 'originally' a demon of despair who was becoming a spirit of hope.

Also this.

[Mykel54]

Do i really need to spell it out? I think by his looks and design it is obvious what the devs created.

 

He is a demon that went into the body of a kid, and somehow is struggling with his demonic nature and trying for redemption. Basically he is the reversal of Anders-Justice: a "bad spirit" that went into an "innocent boy", and is undergoing a transformation, like Anders in DA2 did.

 

The whole Cole character has redemption written all over it, to go along with the anime undertones. Of course the only way to achieve that redemption will be by not being judgemental of his demonic nature and instead giving him some love. Cole even looks like a beaten puppy, so you want to take care of him.

[Looper128]

Considering all the undead we face are just corpses with low level spirits in them and all they can do is shuffle forward and groan, "Cole" being able to move around, with grace enough to be an assassiny type rouge, and able to talk and think and stuff means that the Demon/Spirit within must be monumentally powerful.

 

When Cole killed the mages he was using Ryse body, Ryse who ”let him in” the killing of the mages. It was presumably the mages blood or ”life force” that made him strong enough to have a own physical presence,

 

But then again, Cole being a spirit or demon that we don’t know about is both a likely and weary possible explanation. Lets say it like this, Cole would like to be a spirit and I would like to see him as a spirit of compassion that just went a bit wrong after entering the human world.

[Solas]

He certainly raises a lot of questions.

 

Are spirits and demons really the same kind of creature - all spirits, all dangerous, as the Dalish iirc believe (compared to the Chantry outlook)?

 

Is a corrupted spirit the same thing as a demon?

 

Can a demon become "purified"/"uncorrupted" in a reverse Justice-to-Vengeance situation?

 

If the entity that is now Cole was a spirit or a demon, what was its aspect (Hope, Despair, etc)?

 

What other creatures lurk in the Fade that we have yet to learn about?

 

At any rate, I think Cole is a unique entity.

[vertigomez]

He certainly raises a lot of questions.
 
Are spirits and demons really the same kind of creature - all spirits, all dangerous, as the Dalish iirc believe (compared to the Chantry outlook)?
 
Is a corrupted spirit the same thing as a demon?
 
Can a demon become "purified"/"uncorrupted" in a reverse Justice-to-Vengeance situation?
 
If the entity that is now Cole was a spirit or a demon, what was its aspect (Hope, Despair, etc)?
 
What other creatures lurk in the Fade that we have yet to learn about?
 
At any rate, I think Cole is a unique entity.

Solas, you sound curiously like your namesake with this post!

[TheDragonOfWhy]

When Cole killed the mages he was using Ryse body, Ryse who ”let him in” the killing of the mages. It was presumably the mages blood or ”life force” that made him strong enough to have a own physical presence,
 
But then again, Cole being a spirit or demon that we don’t know about is both a likely and weary possible explanation. Lets say it like this, Cole would like to be a spirit and I would like to see him as a spirit of compassion that just went a bit wrong after entering the human world.

And yet in DA:I he's in a pretty undead looking corpse of a body doing back flips and stealthing across the battlefield. He ain't no poor weak spirit lost from his mummy. He is powerful.
And as some above has said, he is a clearly the reverse Anders. He is a demon. But Legion was a Geth, so lets not try and hold it against him.

[john-in-france]

Demon or spirit sounds like a conversation with Merrill. I have read Asunder and he is a serial murderer...now he might have a twisted way of justifying himself, but even though he was loyal to Rhys...we saw no other redeeming features. He is definitely on my 'watch your back' list.

 

I actually hate that I caved in and read Asunder, until then I was happy with his DAI description...

[Looper128]

And yet in DA:I he's in a pretty undead looking corpse of a body doing back flips and stealthing across the battlefield. He ain't no poor weak spirit lost from his mummy. He is powerful.
And as some above has said, he is a clearly the reverse Anders. He is a demon. But Legion was a Geth, so lets not try and hold it against him.

 

Excuse me but did you even read what I said? After he came into our world he wasn’t able to do back flips and assassinate ppl and cool **** like that. I'm talking about what he was when he entered the human world not what he have become.

[XMissWooX]

You know, you could just wait for a month and a bit and ask him yourself.

I'm sure the game will provide a more comprehensive answer than our speculation and conjecture.

[TheDragonOfWhy]

Excuse me but did you even read what I said? After he came into our world he wasn’t able to do back flips and assassinate ppl and cool **** like that. I'm talking about what he was when he entered the human world not what he have become.

And I'm talking about now. He is powerful, whether a demon or spirit it does not matter, he is not the sad lost puppy you are currently wishing him to be. He is a powerful force. Whether he is a force we wish to trust is really the question. He might well be that he's in the Inquisition because it'd be far too much of a risk not to keep him close at hand. (That is of course going with the thought that we can't just kill him as soon as we see him, and that I think is still a possibility)

[Tevinter Soldier]

it's not that simple

 

Spirits and demons are terms mages use to categorize creatures of the fade.

 

As we know these creatures focus solely on one emotion or goal.

 

What we consider positive emotions or goals we term spirits.

What we consider negative emotions or goals we term demons.

 

Actions have nothing to do with it.

 

it's not just good or bad, a spirit that dedicates itself to truth, may go out and kill liars.

this does not make the spirit a demon it simply is following its path.

 

This is why spirits aren't "good" they have no concept of it, they are just as dangerous as demons, that don't follow or understand right and wrong as we understand it, they simply follow their singular purpose to its extreme.  

 

If your very lucky that extreme won't result in any deaths. But it's blatantly incorrect to assume spirits have a concept of good or evil like we do.

 

After all Vengeance was still classified as a spirit. out to right wrongs. 

[ZRO]

I actually hate that I caved in and read Asunder, until then I was happy with his DAI description...

 

 

 

That's exactly what just happened to me...I read it at work yesterday and said "WTF" like 5 times.

I'm still going to give him a chance though. I believe that unlike Anders, Cole can still be redeemed....I hope.

[Looper128]

And I'm talking about now. He is powerful, whether a demon or spirit it does not matter, he is not the sad lost puppy you are currently wishing him to be. He is a powerful force. Whether he is a force we wish to trust is really the question. He might well be that he's in the Inquisition because it'd be far too much of a risk not to keep him close at hand. (That is of course going with the thought that we can't just kill him as soon as we see him, and that I think is still a possibility)

 

Did you even read the book?

When he entered the human world, we know for a fact, from the book that he was not powerful. He became more powerful, do you understand the difference?

[TheDragonOfWhy]

Did you even read the book?
When he entered the human world, we know for a fact, from the book that he was not powerful. He became more powerful, do you understand the difference?

I'm quite aware of the difference, and yet somehow that doesn't dispute the fact that what ever "cole" is, he IS powerful. He is a danger, he is a threat, he is not to be trusted. And like I've stated before, I'm not talking about the "cole" who just crossed the Veil, but the cole now, the cole we will meet in DA:I. And he is not weak. I also know that so far it's only been demons that we've seen gain power while in the waking world. So that adds more fuel to the "He's a Demon!" Argument.

[Defne]

He is an abomination, he is alive, he is not a child, he is confused, he has human characteristics. He is not only a demon/spirit with a self-made body. In DA without soul and body of mortal beings, spirits remain spirits.

[Dust]

I'm quite aware of the difference, and yet somehow that doesn't dispute the fact that what ever "cole" is, he IS powerful. He is a danger, he is a threat, he is not to be trusted. And like I've stated before, I'm not talking about the "cole" who just crossed the Veil, but the cole now, the cole we will meet in DA:I. And he is not weak. I also know that so far it's only been demons that we've seen gain power while in the waking world. So that adds more fuel to the "He's a Demon!" Argument.

 

O ur so intimidated by his power and don’t even dare to keep him around.XD

[Looper128]

I'm quite aware of the difference, and yet somehow that doesn't dispute the fact that what ever "cole" is, he IS powerful. He is a danger, he is a threat, he is not to be trusted. And like I've stated before, I'm not talking about the "cole" who just crossed the Veil, but the cole now, the cole we will meet in DA:I. And he is not weak. I also know that so far it's only been demons that we've seen gain power while in the waking world. So that adds more fuel to the "He's a Demon!" Argument.

 

Well we where clearly talking about two different things then, its always easier to misunderstand each other in text then in a real life conversation.

 

He might been/be a demon its a totally viable explanation. He certainly is powerful and if its killing that fuels that power it is indeed something to be weary about.

However I don’t think hes being dishonest about wanting to be good and doing good things.

 

[TheJediSaint]

Cole's weird, that's what I know.

[TheKomandorShepard]

demon , serial killer ,unpredictable and dangerous creature that need to be destroyed becuase as always with demons it will end poorly at this point all those things should be clear . 

[WazzuMan]

I think the whole point of Cole is to challenge our preconceptions about the fade and spirits/demons. Even after all that happened in Asunder, Rhys never came to any real conclusions about what Cole was beyond the fact he wasn't a real boy. As for me, I find Cole to be the most interesting character I've come across. I don't care what he was before he became the Ghost of the White Spire, he was a different person by the end of Asunder than he was at the beginning and I believe he is really trying to do good regardless of whether he gets recognition or acceptance. That is more than can be said for a lot of people in and out of the Dragon Age universe. So he killed a dozen people at their lowest points (when they potentially could have committed suicide if given the option), half the companions in both games are worse before you even meet them. Leliana's a bard, Zevren's an assassin, Oghren's a disgraced drunk, Isabella's a pirate, the list goes on.

[Lilaeth]

Whatever he is, in my world he'll be mostly sitting in camp!

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yeah many peoples are trying do "good" in da setting it ends poorly for an example anders that pretty much is like cole another dangerous and unpredictable creature.So i don't see how his self-righteous makes him any better or less dangerous.Rly i wouldn't compare that to other humans as even leliana was frightened by cole and that pretty much says a lot considering she is fanatical assassin.  

[Arvaarad]

He is an abomination, he is alive, he is not a child, he is confused, he has human characteristics. He is not only a demon/spirit with a self-made body. In DA without soul and body of mortal beings, spirits remain spirits.

It takes more effort, but spirits can physically manifest, as shades. After the fight with Lambert, Cole appears to do something we've never seen an abomination do - he seems to go bodily into the Fade. Now, whether he actually disappeared or if he figured out how to get around the Litany and went invisible is up for debate.

But if he fully went into the Fade, that suggests he's a shade copying mage-Cole's body, rather than an abomination using mage-Cole's body.

[ZRO]

demon , serial killer ,unpredictable and dangerous creature that need to be destroyed becuase as always with demons it will end poorly at this point all those things should be clear . 

 

Well it's not that simple since he is more of a Spirit-Demon Hybrid. Even Rhys didn't sense him as just a Demon. He's basically a Spirit using the body of a dead Mage, not a Demon possessing someone or an Abomination like Anders or Wynne. Speaking of her, look at Wynne and her Spirit of Faith for example. She didn't try killing anyone. It's possible that our actions in Inquisition can result in Cole becoming either a Good Spirit, or a heartless Demon maybe. As of now, it's right not to trust him and be cautious, but trying to kill him off so quickly just sounds foolish to me since we don't even know how this is going to plan out.

[Tevinter Soldier]

He is an abomination, 

 

you had it right, Just like Wynne anders and every other abomination they are to be used as tools then deposed of.