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[The Baconer]

Yeah, that's exactly the sort of bullshit that should get your PC hung without a goddamn combat encounter.

 

Oh, I agree that it should. Of course, we'll still have the satisfaction of knowing that everyone in Thedas will die because of this.

 

 

Yet everyone seems to think you can just walk up to the Archduke of WhatEverPlaceYouAreIn and take a dump on his diner-plate and get away with it.

 

This is a time of great chaos. More ridiculous fantasy scenarios aside, there is a lot of potential for abuse, murder, extortion, and what-have-you. The nobility (especially the Orlesian nobility) are terribly vulnerable at the moment, and this is a fact that I (or at least two of my Inquisitors) intent to fully exploit.

[Icy Magebane]

Oh, I agree that it should. Of course, we'll still have the satisfaction of knowing that everyone in Thedas will die because of this.

Just like everyone in Thedas will die if the Inquisitor is killed in battle... do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?  There has to be an alternative way to solve this crisis... at the very least, the people of Thedas would be investigating the possibility of an alternative.  Otherwise, why would they let the Inquisitor even participate in fights?  One wrong move and it's game over for the whole planet...

[The Baconer]

Just like everyone in Thedas will die if the Inquisitor is killed in battle... do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?  There has to be an alternative way to solve this crisis... at the very least, the people of Thedas would be investigating the possibility of an alternative.  Otherwise, why would they let the Inquisitor even participate in fights?  One wrong move and it's game over for the whole planet...

 

Of course they don't know. Or at least by the time they figure it out in this instance, it won't matter.

[Doominike]

Technically it's more appeal to force than PC privilege. If the Inquisitor is a formidable fighter or a magical powerhouse on the level Hawke or the Warden is(or was), then how are they to arrest you in the 1st place ? It's the same situation as Meredith knowing for a fact that Hawke was a mage or had mage friends but never trying capture her/him/them. 

 

She either thought it would simply fail altogether or that succeeding would be too costly in collateral damage, templar lives, public opinion or any combination of the above. 

 

As the Warden you could insult Loghain to his face and threaten Howe of death, they did nothing. You murder Howe (at this point a man with several high tier titles) in his own home. They do try to arrest you but you can just kill everyone and go about without consequence. Which is how it should be.

 

Another exemple from DAO, the city elf origin. You carve a bloody swath through guards before murdering a noble. Who do they send to arrest you ? Guards. Duncan's recruitment doesn't save you, it saves them more like

[Tamyn]

Did you mean this one?  It's sort of hard to tell who the two in this image are at all, though.

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I hope my PC is not forced to wear that orange man-suit and dance with the empress.

[TK514]

I know it will never happen due to power fantasy and Special Snowflake PC issues, but I would love to see the Inquisitor get absolutely destroyed in conversation by those who have been playing The Game their whole lives because their lives and livelihood depend on their skill.

The outcome of the scene could be based not on how you perform, since losing would have been a forgone conclusion, but instead on how you react to being beaten.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

After seeing Anoras personality, i dont blame him for the consideration 

 

After reading the Masked Empire,

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I think Celene is worse.

[Doominike]

I hope my PC is not forced to wear that orange man-suit and dance with the empress.

I hope I'm not forced to wear anything, I wanna attend the ball in plate armor dammit  !

[Elista]

I just hope we will be able to pratice dancing before we go. My Dalish Inquisitor needs to be stunning, not awkward, to gather support from these orlesian nobles . Besides, it would be a delight to pratice a little with a skilled companion I imagine Josephine as a good teacher... poor Josie !

[The Baconer]

I know it will never happen due to power fantasy and Special Snowflake PC issues, but I would love to see the Inquisitor get absolutely destroyed in conversation by those who have been playing The Game their whole lives because their lives and livelihood depend on their skill.

The outcome of the scene could be based not on how you perform, since losing would have been a forgone conclusion, but instead on how you react to being beaten.

 

I could see that happening quite easily. It is, after all, why you require an advisor for this sort of thing in the first place.

[jtav]

I'd love to play a politically savvy and charming qunari. I wonder if BW will let me?

[Girtuoklis]

Hope there will be option to ruin that party for example troll other guests or spit/****** into soup

[Xilizhra]

I know it will never happen due to power fantasy and Special Snowflake PC issues, but I would love to see the Inquisitor get absolutely destroyed in conversation by those who have been playing The Game their whole lives because their lives and livelihood depend on their skill.

The outcome of the scene could be based not on how you perform, since losing would have been a forgone conclusion, but instead on how you react to being beaten.

Bad move. Remember how badly people hated Shepard being forced to talk like an idiot in certain parts of ME? Having players see a better conversation choice than the ones offered, which they inevitably will, just leads to frustration, and by no means being impressed with the NPC's wit (especially since Bioware isn't a master player of the Game).

[The Baconer]

Bad move. Remember how badly people hated Shepard being forced to talk like an idiot in certain parts of ME? Having players see a better conversation choice than the ones offered, which they inevitably will, just leads to frustration, and by no means being impressed with the NPC's wit (especially since Bioware isn't a master player of the Game).

 

I don't see how this situation would require that the PC talks like an idiot. Of course, the hypothetical NPC's lines would have to be exceptionally well-written, or it would just feel cheap as you stated.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I don't see how this situation would require that the PC talks like an idiot. Of course, the hypothetical NPC's lines would have to be exceptionally well-written, or it would just feel cheap as you stated.

That's only half the problem. The problem is that the hypothetical PC's lines would have to be well written as well, because if there's a way out of the rhetorical trap that the PC doesn't see and the player does, the player is going to be more than slightly irritated.

[The Baconer]

That's only half the problem. The problem is that the hypothetical PC's lines would have to be well written as well, because if there's a way out of the rhetorical trap that the PC doesn't see and the player does, the player is going to be more than slightly irritated.

 

So I suppose it's a question of whether or not we believe in Bioware pulling it off.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

So I suppose it's a question of whether or not we believe in Bioware pulling it off.

I hope they can, but I'm not 100% sure of them.

[TK514]

Bad move. Remember how badly people hated Shepard being forced to talk like an idiot in certain parts of ME? Having players see a better conversation choice than the ones offered, which they inevitably will, just leads to frustration, and by no means being impressed with the NPC's wit (especially since Bioware isn't a master player of the Game).

 

Fair point.

 

Doesn't diminish my desire for such a thing to happen at some point, in some game.  I grow weary of the situation where a person or group of people lives and dies by their mastery of a certain set of skills, and yet the protagonist comes in with no experience whatsoever and beats them at their own game.

 

I am willing to accept that I am in the minority with this opinion.

[The Baconer]

Doesn't diminish my desire for such a thing to happen at some point, in some game.  I grow weary of the situation where a person or group of people lives and dies by their mastery of a certain set of skills, and yet the protagonist comes in with no experience whatsoever and beats them at their own game.

 

Hmm, I wouldn't go that far. The Cunning stat should, at least on paper, entail more than just "crit chance", after all.

[Xilizhra]

Fair point.

 

Doesn't diminish my desire for such a thing to happen at some point, in some game.  I grow weary of the situation where a person or group of people lives and dies by their mastery of a certain set of skills, and yet the protagonist comes in with no experience whatsoever and beats them at their own game.

 

I am willing to accept that I am in the minority with this opinion.

Is it actually common to beat people with diplomacy? It certainly doesn't happen in DA2, and the people you persuade in DAO are rarely diplomats, or even politicians.

[TK514]

Is it actually common to beat people with diplomacy? It certainly doesn't happen in DA2, and the people you persuade in DAO are rarely diplomats, or even politicians.

Looking at this thread, we have plenty of folks who would like their Dalish/Qunari to come in and dominate the room and make all these poncy Orlesians look like idiots.

 

As far as I'm concerned, even the Human noble should be out of their depth in a room full of people who play The Game to survive.  A Dalish should be about as comfortable and competent in such a situation as a fish on the moon.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Looking at this thread, we have plenty of folks who would like their Dalish/Qunari to come in and dominate the room and make all these poncy Orlesians look like idiots.

 

As far as I'm concerned, even the Human noble should be out of their depth in a room full of people who play The Game to survive.  A Dalish should be about as comfortable and competent in such a situation as a fish on the moon.

I suppose that's fair. Though that situation should be solvable by coming in arm-in-arm with Scribbles and trying to pretend you're just overly muscular arm candy with Josie being the brains of the operation. (Which is not going to be all that inaccurate with my first PC.)

[Xilizhra]

Looking at this thread, we have plenty of folks who would like their Dalish/Qunari to come in and dominate the room and make all these poncy Orlesians look like idiots.

 

As far as I'm concerned, even the Human noble should be out of their depth in a room full of people who play The Game to survive.  A Dalish should be about as comfortable and competent in such a situation as a fish on the moon.

Why would we ever play it at all? The Inquisitor isn't an Orlesian noble, and has no stake in their relationships. The only reason you'd even be at the ball is to get help for the Inquisition, and I think just asking respectfully/doing whatever sidequesty favors are necessary would be all that we'd need to do.

[Icy Magebane]

I'd love to play a politically savvy and charming qunari. I wonder if BW will let me?

Certain Inquisition perks will unlock advanced dialogue options... but I don't know if these can be acquired before Vivienne's ball...