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Adam Revlan

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I'd not be surprised considering that they have issues with elves dying out.

But Merrill seemed beholden to the ways of the Dalish, that still did not stop her from romancing Hawke, a human, which would be worse considering her children with him would be human still.



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... not sure what to think, really.  :lol:



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But Merrill seemed beholden to the ways of the Dalish, that still did not stop her from romancing Hawke, a human, which would be worse considering her children with him would be human still.

One does crazy things when in love. 



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But Merrill seemed beholden to the ways of the Dalish, that still did not stop her from romancing Hawke, a human, which would be worse considering her children with him would be human still.

Merrill's actually pretty uncomfortable with her feelings honestly.   



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Should I just go ahead and say: "Nazis"?

 

Anyway - I'd really like to see the Dalish as bigoted toward homosexuality.

 

But the City Elves I think would have much larger populations as I've seen no sign that their numbers are forcibly kept in check (the odd slaughter by Orlesian Empresses not withstanding). 

Well, they aren't, judging from everything to do with Merrill's romance with a female Hawke.

 

 

Merrill's actually pretty uncomfortable with her feelings honestly.   

Only if Hawke is male.



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Well, they aren't, judging from everything to do with Merrill's romance with a female Hawke.

I don't think getting a reading on a culture's views from a pariah of said culture is wise.


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#232
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Only if Hawke is male.

I was unaware lesbian relationships could produce biological children. Also did you read the "him" post I responded to? Just checking. 



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I don't think getting a reading on a culture's views from a pariah of said culture is wise.

It wouldn't be in a vacuum, perhaps, but Merrill does bring up cultural taboos if Hawke is male, thus showing that she still is thinking about them despite pariahdom. As such, the evidence for the Dalish having a problem with gay relationships is absolutely nonexistent.



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Anyway - I'd really like to see the Dalish as bigoted toward homosexuality.

 

But the City Elves I think would have much larger populations as I've seen no sign that their numbers are forcibly kept in check (the odd slaughter by Orlesian Empresses not withstanding). 

I'd put my money on the Dalish taking issue with it to some degree.  Or at least logically they should - if their societies put such a great deal of emphasis on not dallying with humans because it doesn't result in an elven child, one would assume they would dislike non-productive relationships for the same reason.  Maybe they're just grateful no elf-blooded children will come from it?  :P

 

Eh, I think the city elves have larger populations because they force opposite-sex marriage.  Remember that marriage is a rite of passage into adulthood in alienages.  City elves place importance on reproduction as well as the Dalish, albeit for slightly different reasons.  So I could see an argument being made for some stigma against it.

 

Neither elven faction makes mention of their feelings on the matter, however, so this is all speculation, and in reality both could be totally chill with it.  Unless the devs outright state it, we're just left guessing.



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As such, the evidence for the Dalish having a problem with gay relationships is absolutely nonexistent.

 

What about marriage? I mean... suppose a young Dalish says s/he refuses to marry a person of the opposite sex and hence will not produce children. Will the elders be upset with him/her?



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Well, they aren't, judging from everything to do with Merrill's romance with a female Hawke.

 

 

Only if Hawke is male.

Judging by what you said, the Dalish have a bigger problem being in an opposite sex relationship than being in a same-sex relationship with another race.



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What about marriage? I mean... suppose a young Dalish says s/he refuses to marry a person of the opposite sex and hence will not produce children. Will the elders be upset with him/her?

If it's just one person, probably not. They'd be disappointed or angry, probably, but it's not like they'll ostracize them. 



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What about marriage? I mean... suppose a young Dalish says s/he refuses to marry a person of the opposite sex and hence will not produce children. Will the elders be upset with him/her?

The Dalish are like the quarians; their population may be badly cut, but it can't get too high, otherwise they'll lose mobility. So I don't think it'd be too much of a problem.

 

 

Judging by what you said, the Dalish have a bigger problem being in an opposite sex relationship than being in a same-sex relationship with another race.

Precisely.


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I think it might depend where you are in Thedas. 



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The Dalish are like the quarians; their population may be badly cut, but it can't get too high, otherwise they'll lose mobility. So I don't think it'd be too much of a problem.

 

Ah :D Nice comparison... quarians happen to be my favorite ME race :D (And elves are my favorite fantasy race) They just slightly nudge out the asari, just slightly....



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when it comes to the nobility.  You can pretty much say that Political or loveless marriages are the norm.  Nobles rarely get to marry who they want to marry.  Most hope that they would and do grow fond of each other but isn't necessarily the case.  From that point on it's just a matter of not making a spectacle of yourself and causing scandle in your marriage.



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It's interesting that same-sex relationships between nobles are kept hidden in Tevinter, while it's tolerated in Ferelden (that's what the wiki says). I don't know where I get this impression that Tevinter was more "accepting" when it comes to issues others may perceive as "unnatural", like magic and such.

 

Either way, I'm happy that the same degree of hatred which homosexuals suffer in some areas of our world isn't reflected in Thedas.



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It's interesting that same-sex relationships between nobles are kept hidden in Tevinter, while it's tolerated in Ferelden (that's what the wiki says). I don't know where I get this impression that Tevinter was more "accepting" when it comes to issues others may perceive as "unnatural", like magic and such.

 

 

For Tevinter it is because only magisters can rule, and not every child born to a mage has magical abilities. Take the Hawkes for example. Malcom Hawke and Leandra Amell, both of whom have a history of magical ability in their families, can potentially have only one mage child out of three. So for Tevinter nobles there is probably a bit more pressure to churn out an heir and a spare than in other regions, because blood alone isn't enough. The children also need to be born with magical abilities if they are going to inherit and rule.


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So I have been thinking and I just remembered that in Dragon Age: Origins, Zevran would tell the warden that he liked both men and women, but that he preferred women.

I have a question and it is directed more to any bisexual member of the BSN that reads it, but if anyone wants to reply, then feel free.

I know that bisexual people find both genders appealing sexually, but do they usually tend to prefer one gender over the other, just like Zevran preferred women?



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Ah :D Nice comparison... quarians happen to be my favorite ME race :D (And elves are my favorite fantasy race) They just slightly nudge out the asari, just slightly....

Geth are better.  B)



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Adam as often as not the answer to your question is yes from the ones I have known.



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So I have been thinking and I just remembered that in Dragon Age: Origins, Zevran would tell the warden that he liked both men and women, but that he preferred women.

I have a question and it is directed more to any bisexual member of the BSN that reads it, but if anyone wants to reply, then feel free.

I know that bisexual people find both genders appealing sexually, but do they usually tend to prefer one gender over the other, just like Zevran preferred women?

Yeah, a lot of bi people usually have a preference. I personally don't. Sexuality is a spectrum, everyone falls somewhere on it. 



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Oh, back up there though... We can't talk about real world issues, but, ahem, think of a fairly prosperous nation that has never had a female ruler... ;) most people refer to this as the glass ceiling... the lack of female CEOs, etc. Women in positions of power... it's kinda the definition of patriarchy.

The reason that I'm dragging this up is because I love Tevinter :P. No, actually, it's because we barely know ANY Archons. Also Vespasian, Levias, even Ishal do not have explicit genders and thus could easily be female. As for the Imperium's Chantry, it's been suggested (in game) that both men AND women can reach any level of the heirarchy. The wording "admitted men into the clergy", suggests that women were never banned. Overall, Tevinter has never been suggested to be a patriarchy, but has expressedly been described as a magocracy. The reason why men are brought up so often in relation to Tevinter is probably because the Imperial Chantry allows men to reach the rank of Father and higher, which was the beginning cause of the schism between them and the matriarchal Orlesian Chantry, which, of course, led to the distrust between Tevinter and Orlais themselves.

 

So I have been thinking and I just remembered that in Dragon Age: Origins, Zevran would tell the warden that he liked both men and women, but that he preferred women.

I have a question and it is directed more to any bisexual member of the BSN that reads it, but if anyone wants to reply, then feel free.

I know that bisexual people find both genders appealing sexually, but do they usually tend to prefer one gender over the other, just like Zevran preferred women?

Most do, according to research, but of course research can be unvariably wrong. Bisexual refers to being attracted to both genders, it doesn't specify equally, nor does it specify the degree to which the 'amount of attraction' may be unequal.


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#249
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Adam as often as not the answer to your question is yes from the ones I have known.

I apologize if my questions are becoming a bit monotonous, I just like hearing people's opinions and I was trying to keep the conversation alive and ongoing.

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#250
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So I have been thinking and I just remembered that in Dragon Age: Origins, Zevran would tell the warden that he liked both men and women, but that he preferred women.

I have a question and it is directed more to any bisexual member of the BSN that reads it, but if anyone wants to reply, then feel free.

I know that bisexual people find both genders appealing sexually, but do they usually tend to prefer one gender over the other, just like Zevran preferred women?

It varies on the bisexual.  Some do seem to prefer one gender over the other a little more.  I prefer men over women, myself.  Some feel completely equal about men and women and don't prefer one gender over the other.

 

I wouldn't use terms like "usually" to describe any bisexual/pansexual.  They tend to all be pretty unique.