The two women thing is a bit sexist. The defence that someone is not homophobic because they enjoy F/F sex designed to be soft-core porn for straight guys is not really a defence at all.
It makes him both hypocritical and (well I don't like the word homophobic but still holding some anti-LGBT prejudice), IMO, especially *because* he's into the F/F scene.
Do you think he would be turned off by f/f sex designed to appeal to lesbians?
Being turned on by one thing and turned off by the exact opposite doesn't make you a hypocrite.
Do you think he would be turned off by f/f sex designed to appeal to lesbians?
Actively avoiding content S/S content and being actively "turned off" by it to the extent *you can't watch it* indicates anti-LGBT prejudice.
The fact that the stuff that's ****** material for you (F/F sex designed to appeal to straight guys) is what makes you a hypocrite.
I find it difficult to agree with this, because I actively avoid M/F and M/M content, simply because I find male sexuality repulsive to look at. I have no problem with it existing, but it's not content that appeals to me.
I find it difficult to agree with this, because I actively avoid M/F and M/M content, simply because I find male sexuality repulsive to look at. I have no problem with it existing, but it's not content that appeals to me.
I stand my by position. I think finding the very image of M/F and M/M content to be repulsive is the same thing.
Mildly so. It's not something that'll make my eyes bleed or anything. I just don't find it attractive.
I think he wouldn't want to watch anything that isn't two femme women are implied (or will be implied) to also be attracted to men.
I think you're selling many male yuri fans short.
yes i agree on selling us short lolMildly so. It's not something that'll make my eyes bleed or anything. I just don't find it attractive.
I think you're selling many male yuri fans short.
I think you're selling many male yuri fans short.
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Mildly so. It's not something that'll make my eyes bleed or anything. I just don't find it attractive.
I think you're selling many male yuri fans short.
At least the straight guys I've seen with the reaction, it's very much an "ew, nausea, this is basically scat" type reaction. But maybe that's fallen out of style after my generation (I mean, I'm in my 20s, but that's not as current).
I'm really hard to actually squick out with sexual imagery unless it seems rapeish, so I don't know if I'm the best judge anyway.
Well those are still femme girls, no?
Yuri, in this context, meaning lesbian content in general. And there's nothing wrong with liking femme girls (though only liking faux-lesbians who'll still go back to men is a problem, and I'll tear the head off of any media piece that does this).
I'm really hard to actually squick out with sexual imagery unless it seems rapeish, so I don't know if I'm the best judge anyway.
Yuri, in this context, meaning lesbian content in general. And there's nothing wrong with liking femme girls (though only liking faux-lesbians who'll still go back to men is a problem, and I'll tear the head off of any media piece that does this).
After reading most of the thread, I do agree that homosexuality is viewed as an oddity in Thedas but not punishable by law or ridiculed by many. The Chantry does not avocate against it.
Anyway, also, both feminity and masculinity are social constructs and have nothing to do with being homophobic. The society places alot of set views about how typical males and females should act but it is not at all true for all societies.
Gamlen making a girl comment is a social and sexist view that the girl is usually in the passive role in sex. Hakwe being quite manly is typically see as the masculine one because both Anders and Fenris (with all their whinning and brooding and talking about their feelings) are seem as feminine. I do not think Gamlen is homophobic. If he was, he will not be friendly anymore to him, let alone asking him for help.
Question time.
I recently did a marathon re-watch of Game of Thrones with a friend of mine, a particular sex scene with two men came up and he told me that he wanted me to skip it.
Being turned off by male homosexuality aside, I would stop watching shows with him period. Interrupting the program, in order to skip content no less, is just flat-out rude.
(though only liking faux-lesbians who'll still go back to men is a problem, and I'll tear the head off of any media piece that does this).
And that in my opinion is what perpetuates the mindset in some straight men that lesbianism only exists for their own titillation.
Seriously, there are some men out there who honestly think that lesbianism doesn't actually exist -- that it's just something women do for attention and to excite him...you know, because they obviously want him so badly in a ménage à trois.
I was once browsing a forum talking about a lesbian couple, where some guys were making obnoxious comments like, "I'll bet they'd like me to watch! Or better yet, assist!"
It's like...dude, they're lesbians in a loving relationship. What makes you think they'd eagerly invite a random stranger -- especially a guy -- into their bedroom with them? Creeper.
Question time.
I recently did a marathon re-watch of Game of Thrones with a friend of mine, a particular sex scene with two men came up and he told me that he wanted me to skip it.
This led to a debate between the two of us wherein I told him that if the scene had portrayed two women, he would not have wanted me to skip it and I told him that this kind of double standard is hard for me to get.
On the one hand I couldn't call him homophobic because he would've like watching lesbians getting it on, but not men.
his reasoning for the whole issue was that as a straight man, he found females appealing, which is why he would not have wanted me to skip it, but he did not want to see men do anything sexual, he said that does not make him homophobic or hypocritical.
So what do you guys think, was what he did homophobic in any way? Do you think his reasoning is understandable?
Personally, I understood where he was coming from and thought that him not wanting to see two men doing sexual stuff does not make him homophobic
A straight man liking lesbian sex but actively avoiding male on male gay sex in a show is homophobic...Straight men who masturbate to lesbian porn are not paragons of gay acceptance, that is a form of female objectification and is homophobic as well as sexist.
Now as a straight man, is enjoying lesbian porn inherently homophobic? No, it's not. It's your behavior outside of the confines of your sexual fantasies that defines your status as homophobic or not. You like "hot" lesbians but are against gay marriage? You're homophobic. You like hot lesbians but think two men being sexual, or even just casually romantic is disgusting to the point of making a scene about it? You're homophobic.
A straight man liking lesbian sex but actively avoiding male on male gay sex in a show is homophobic...Straight men who masturbate to lesbian porn are not paragons of gay acceptance, that is a form of female objectification and is homophobic as well as sexist.
Now as a straight man, is enjoying lesbian porn inherently homophobic? No, it's not. It's your behavior outside of the confines of your sexual fantasies that defines your status as homophobic or not. You like "hot" lesbians but are against gay marriage? You're homophobic. You like hot lesbians but think two men being sexual, or even just casually romantic is disgusting to the point of making a scene about it? You're homophobic.
Mhh, no...
A straight guy is attracted to chicks. This is biology. If he sees two chicks having sex, it is likely that he will enjoy the sex scene since he is attracted to them...., this is normal. If he doesn't enjoy two men having sex on Tv, it isn't homophobic.
There are many lesbians and gay who don't like watching straight sex either. There are gay men who find disgusting the idea of having sex with women. Yep, and I don't judge them, since it is about sexual preferences and tastes.
Mhh, no...
A straight guy is attracted to chicks. This is biology.
I stopped reading your response there. Perceived "biology" is not an excuse for homophobic behavior in any capacity. At all, ever. If you can't handle a brief gay sex scene in a show that adds content to the overall story, then you have the emotional intelligence of a toddler and deserve to be called out like the original poster did to his friend.
Mhh, no...
A straight guy is attracted to chicks. This is biology. If he sees two chicks having sex, it is likely that he will enjoy the sex scene since he is attracted to them...., this is normal. If he doesn't enjoy two men having sex on Tv, it isn't homophobic.
There are many lesbians and gay who don't like watching straight sex either. There are gay men who find disgusting the idea of having sex with women. Yep, and I don't judge them, since it is about sexual preferences and tastes.
Being turned off by male homosexuality aside, I would stop watching shows with him period. Interrupting the program, in order to skip content no less, is just flat-out rude.
He's not that bad of a person, we are best friends even though I am gay, he is totally fine with it.
I do not judge him for it because as someone stated, straight men being attracted to lesbian sex is totally normal since it is ingrained in him, it is instinctual, he finds them appealing, but he does not find men sexually appealing.
That does not mean he is homophobic, at least I do not think it does.
Getting turned on by two women who don't want to have sex with you and will never under any circumstances ever want to have sex with you who are having sex in ways that are impossible for you is not hard coded and absolutely the product of a cultural fetish, not some inborn biological reaction.
I think that's bullshit. I don't watch lesban porn, but if in a random movie I see two hot chicks kissing each other, it pleased me, this is 'cultural ' fetish ? Why cultural, exactly ?
Nope, i'm thinking this is biology.
I stopped reading your response there. Perceived "biology" is not an excuse for homophobic behavior in any capacity. At all, ever. If you can't handle a brief gay sex scene in a show that adds content to the overall story, then you have the emotional intelligence of a toddler and deserve to be called out like the original poster did to his friend.
You said, that if someone can't enjoy gay sex, he is homophobic, I don't agree with this assertion. You can be for gay scenes, you can be for gay right, and and marriage, gay having children and all, but not enjoying gay sex at the same time beause you aren't attracted.
I never mentioned enjoyment of gay male sex at all in my response, please read more carefully.
You are not required to enjoy gay male sex to not be homophobic, you are required to not be a squicked out douche bag whenever gay male sexuality gets mentioned or shown in any capacity.
If I can weigh in as a lesbian? Skipping content, brief content in all of heteronormative culture because it bothers you does not mean you were turned off. In that case all movies would be pornos. The fact is it often makes people uncomfortable on a deeper level. And that level is prejudiced to some degree, it may be something they don't quite get but that is prejudiced, especially since you are gay. That sex scene was made for you, and he wants to skip it, then maybe mention why not skip ALL the sex scenes that you don't find personally arousing. If not, then that is unfair, and he is being homophobic, expecting you to watch yet another sex scene that is not geared towards you, because he can't stand one that is not geared toward him. And that is the issue.
The fact that lesbian porn is made for men, and often is highly lesbophobic and has the idea that female sexuality is for men. It is something many lesbians have to deal with, in that many men see nothing wrong with trying to insert themselves on my daily existance. I say I am a lesbian and the nicest, homophobic, statement I get is "that is hot." Imagine, straight guys, if you said you were married, and a guy looked at you lustfully and said "Hot." It's uncomfortable to say the least.
Never mind guys "volunteering" to turn me straight, following us around all day offering to "donate some sperm for your baby", guys act like women sexuality has anything to do with them, and in fact an open invitation. Being silently turned on and accepting 2 lesbians will not be part of your sex life? Sure, I understand, we all got kinks. But lesbian porn itself is lesbophobic, due to being clueless and geared towards men. Nevermind half our representation is a "lesbian" ending up with a guy, even lusting after him. That is Biphobic on top of it, denying their existence once again. There are men who have told me their ambition was to do it with a lesbian, as if that is not the creepiest thing in the entire world, wanting to do it with someone, by definition, who doesn't want to do it with you.
People never treat my relationship with my fiance as legitimately as they would treat a man's relationship with her. When she is hit on saying I am with someone gains more respect than her pointing at me and saying we are engaged. And even nice people will look at me or her and say "you just need to find the right man." All of this is compounded on the driving need for many straight men to get off on us, but never support us on any social battles, and in fact actively encourage them to disregard our personhood. I don't think a guy turned on by lesbians is bad, I think lesbian porn aimed at guys giving them the delusion that lesbians, and their sexuality is to viewed by men in a way that completely disregards them as people is very very homophobic, and way too much media does it.
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