Does anyone think we'll have more same-sex flirtatious banter this time around? Or rather, companions crushing on each other (a la Merrill/Carver, Bethany/Sebastian. Only more gay)?
I think that there will be s/s banter this time around. I could definitely see an outgoing guy like Dorian and a sexually adventurous guy like IB having something interesting to say to each other. I'd certainly be disappointed if they didn't have a flirt line or two at least.
I think that there will be s/s banter this time around. I could definitely see an outgoing guy like Dorian and a sexually adventurous guy like IB having something interesting to say to each other. I'd certainly be disappointed if they didn't have a flirt line or two at least.
Does anyone think we'll have more same-sex flirtatious banter this time around? Or rather, companions crushing on each other (a la Merrill/Carver, Bethany/Sebastian. Only more gay)?
Maybe Iron Bull and Dorian. It would be an interesting relationship.
If you just mean flirting, I can see Sera doing it to Cassandra or Vivienne to try to fluster them.
Does anyone think we'll have more same-sex flirtatious banter this time around? Or rather, companions crushing on each other (a la Merrill/Carver, Bethany/Sebastian. Only more gay)?
It's like getting turn on if you see a man massage a woman's feet. It's not some inborn thing that's the product of genes - it's a fetish. And despite our sex-phobic culture, there is *nothing* wrong with having a fetish. Fetishes are amazing. They lead to great and unconventional sex. Particular fetishes can be problematic (e.g. from a hygiene or consent POV) but that's not a problem with fetishes generally.
Getting turned on by two women is not biology. It's - as other posters point out - a result of a cultural construct that lesbian women are somehow always supposed to be sexually available for the venerated "ideal" threesome.
I am thinking about me right now, when I read this sentence, and I can't help but smile.
I never in my life dreamed of a threesome, I don't ever want to experience that in real life, even If I could find it fun in a random movie, I don't ever want several partners in my bed, only the chosen one. It never will be my ideal, never dreamed about it... And yet I could appreciate two chicks kissing each other, having sex, in a movie, a video game or whatever you'd like. I also never dreamed of lesbians available to me. I'm not into someone who doesn't find any appeal in my gender, in who I am, as a human being. I don't hold any sexual interest toward someone if I learn that she is lesbian and never will. I will respect what she is, and what I am. The girl could be the most beautiful girl ever, that wouldn't change anything in my mind.
And yet, you are telling me that because I could appreciate, as a straight guy, who can't be concerned because of my gender ( while I didn't watch many lesbian relationships or sex, I'm not a noob ) lesbian sex, I dream that they are sexually available to me, a threesome is my ideal.
I'd also like to know how culture influenced me.
I just want to be sure I didn't fail to understand what you meant.
I'm also curious about what you think about all those women who are fond of yaoi mangas, very popular thanks to them. Do they want a threesome with gay men, is it their ideal that all men are sexually available to them ?
I think that there will be s/s banter this time around. I could definitely see an outgoing guy like Dorian and a sexually adventurous guy like IB having something interesting to say to each other. I'd certainly be disappointed if they didn't have a flirt line or two at least.
After/when/if Iron Bull leaves the Qun. Before that, well...he is technically helping an institution that believes mages like Dorian should be collared up like animals. In other words slavery (one of the things Dorian disagrees with Tevinter about).
I'm also curious about what you think about all those women who are fond of yaoi mangas, very popular thanks to them. Do they want a threesome with gay men, is it their ideal that all men are sexually available to them ?
They're just don't want to see another woman because they're jealous for a lack of a better word. But it's not jealousy, not really- I don't know how to put it correctly...
They don't want a threesome, they just don't want to see a woman there. Because women representation in those things - it's pure sh*t. They don't want to associate themselves with those women, they want to imagine something different from what they are or from what society wants them to be, from the role they must play in those things. Like being "nice" to everyone, passive, forgiving everyone and taking care of everyone like some mother teresa - those kind of things, it's just ugly and revolting. And it happens in almost every work, film or book.
If there's two characters of the opposite gender, you would probably associate yourself with the one of your own gender. Subconsciously. But if there's no one - there's no one to associate yourself with and you can just enjoy the story, the plot or the action (if it's porn).
I don't know if I clarified anything here, but I tried.
I don't think that will deter either of them. Merrill's blood magic certainly didn't make Carver like her less.After/when/if Iron Bull leaves the Qun. Before that, well...he is technically helping an institution that believes mages like Dorian should be collared up like animals. In other words slavery (one of the things Dorian disagrees with Tevinter about).
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt... neither Dorian, Sera, or the Bull strike me as the reticent type (well... in regards to romanceAs much as I like the idea, my bet is - no way, it won't happen. Lots of folks got freaked out and "offended" by Anders last time, the devs said they won't force it on players again. At least, not like that. And subtle things like Seamus/Ashaad and like that people just tend to ignore, so...
), but neither did Zevran, so... ehh, we'll see.
I think orientation is very much genetic. But sexual practices are not per set orientation related. That someone is really into, I dunno, feet or big or small breats or dicks, I don't think that's genetic. I think, at best, that's a complex product of genes environment interactions.
I disagree with this completely, I am homosexual, but I can say with complete certainty that I was not born the way that I am.
I am not saying you are wrong, I am just saying that my genes have nothing to do with my orientation.
*throws hands up* Man I totally give up
The romance situation has just been awful for me personally. And of course that is the one thing I look forward to in Dragon Age games the most. Lovely!
I was just happy with getting Blackwall, even if he is not an S/S LI, I will be playing a female the first time just to romance him.
By the way, does anyone ever find it just as enjoyable to play as the opposite sex to romance someone as playing the same sex?
I know I enjoyed Alistair's and Garrus' romances the most out of any Bioware game, even though I had to play a female.
You may want to keep in mind that Lelianna has had 10 years to make old friends even after the events of DA:O. So her age might not necessarily be consistant if she is from the period in which Lelianna returned to Orlais sometime shortly after the blight.
I was just happy with getting Blackwall, even if he is not an S/S LI, I will be playing a female the first time just to romance him.
By the way, does anyone ever find it just as enjoyable to play as the opposite sex to romance someone as playing the same sex?
I know I enjoyed Alistair's and Garrus' romances the most out of any Bioware game, even though I had to play a female.
Yep! I'm a lady and I played a male dwarf who romanced Leliana and a male Hawke who romanced Izzy, even though I didn't "have" to.
Different strokes for different folks.
I don't say "have" as in I was forced, I say it in the context that I could not access the romance without playing as a female, so in that way I "had" to play a female to enjoy said content. 
Otherwise, I really like playing a female and I never feel detached from it or that I cannot relate to it.
I disagree with this completely, I am homosexual, but I can say with complete certainty that I was not born the way that I am.
I am not saying you are wrong, I am just saying that my genes have nothing to do with my orientation.
I am fascinated with this comment. I am also gay and I can say with complete certainty that there was zero choice involved in my orientation and that, from a very early age, I was interested in boys (and then, as I aged, men, big burly men) not girls.
I would love to hear more about your thoughts on this, but I don't want to derail the thread. If you don't mind, I'd love to take this to PM.
I don't say "have" as in I was forced, I say it in the context that I could not access the romance without playing as a female, so in that way I "had" to play a female to enjoy said content.
Otherwise, I really like playing a female and I never feel detached from it or that I cannot relate to it.
They're just don't want to see another woman because they're jealous for a lack of a better word. But it's not jealousy, not really- I don't know how to put it correctly...
They don't want a threesome, they just don't want to see a woman there. Because women representation in those things - it's pure sh*t. They don't want to associate themselves with those women, they want to imagine something different from what they are or from what society wants them to be, from the role they must play in those things. Like being "nice" to everyone, passive, forgiving everyone and taking care of everyone like some mother teresa - those kind of things, it's just ugly and revolting. And it happens in almost every work, film or book.
If there's two characters of the opposite gender, you would probably associate yourself with the one of your own gender. Subconsciously. But if there's no one - there's no one to associate yourself with and you can just enjoy the story, the plot or the action (if it's porn).
I don't know if I clarified anything here, but I tried.
Hmm I'm wary of trying to make declarative statements about those who read yaoi -- now commonly called BL -- manga. This is partly because BL is such a huge genre that encompasses so many different types of stories and characters that no BL fan enjoys every type of BL manga. I'm a BL fan, for instance, who dislikes really graphic sex and certain BL "tropes" -- the cruel seme, the feminine uke, etc. BL fans also come in every shape and size, any age, any gender. So they're sort of impossible to define, and their motives for why they like what they like are also equally impossible to explain... there's no grand unified theory of BL, I guess is what I'm saying lol!
I was just happy with getting Blackwall, even if he is not an S/S LI, I will be playing a female the first time just to romance him.
By the way, does anyone ever find it just as enjoyable to play as the opposite sex to romance someone as playing the same sex?
I know I enjoyed Alistair's and Garrus' romances the most out of any Bioware game, even though I had to play a female.
Well I'm in a lady-body but I'm this weird genderfluid thing, so not sure how this would apply to me. My favorite characters and self-insert characters are "pretty" males (like elves and ho boy ho boy I hope I can be a quarian in ME4!!) but I also will play a masculine guy (like Hawke or Shep) if I have to, and after I get bored, I'll eventually start a female playthrough. I've only successfully completed a female playthrough on one game though and that's DA2.
from a very early age, I was interested in boys (and then, as I aged, men, big burly men)
I call this "going from Legolas to Eomer" 
I was 20 when LOTR came out... I'm 34. I no longer want to do Legolas; I want to be him... and do Eomer Funny how that works out...
Hmm I'm wary of trying to make declarative statements about those who read yaoi -- now commonly called BL -- manga. This is partly because BL is such a huge genre that encompasses so many different types of stories and characters that no BL fan enjoys every type of BL manga. I'm a BL fan, for instance, who dislikes really graphic sex and certain BL "tropes" -- the cruel seme, the feminine uke, etc. BL fans also come in every shape and size, any age, any gender. So they're sort of impossible to define, and their motives for why they like what they like are also equally impossible to explain... there's no grand unified theory of BL, I guess is what I'm saying lol!
Agreed. People like different kinds of media for various reasons.
Then you get those BL fans that abuse the heck out of the female characters (even the awesome ones) just because they're in the way of their OTP =/ ugh.
Then you get those BL fans that abuse the heck out of the female characters (even the awesome ones) just because they're in the way of their OTP =/ ugh.
I haven't encountered too many of those although I've heard people complain about them a lot. It's probably the communities I hang out in... mostly aarinfantasy forums. I think a lot of the people there are pretty mature and closer to my age. But I understand like manga fox has more of a "stereotypical yaoi fan" community. It's in the comments there that I see stuff like, "He raped him because he loved him!!!!" kind of crap. So disturbing on so many levels!!
Hmm I'm wary of trying to make declarative statements about those who read yaoi -- now commonly called BL -- manga. This is partly because BL is such a huge genre that encompasses so many different types of stories and characters that no BL fan enjoys every type of BL manga. I'm a BL fan, for instance, who dislikes really graphic sex and certain BL "tropes" -- the cruel seme, the feminine uke, etc. BL fans also come in every shape and size, any age, any gender. So they're sort of impossible to define, and their motives for why they like what they like are also equally impossible to explain... there's no grand unified theory of BL, I guess is what I'm saying lol!
Ah, it goes for women who like those stuff (and especially who does like only that), not just everyone. Heterosexual women for that matter. And I'm not saying it's the only reason, but originaly that type of manga was created for that purpose - so women could have express themselves. Kinda. Because they were not allowed to be anything that goes against social norms they live under.
And of course now, as the time passed, there's more to that buuut. It's still valid.
I haven't encountered too many of those although I've heard people complain about them a lot. It's probably the communities I hang out in... mostly aarinfantasy forums. I think a lot of the people there are pretty mature and closer to my age. But I understand like manga fox has more of a "stereotypical yaoi fan" community.
Yeah when you're on mostly het fandoms they come out. I get disliking a character. Fine whatever. But going into every support thread and hurling abuse because they dare to have fans is so much wat. Especially getting mad because they dare to have a relationship with someone you'd rather slash. Bah.
For example Chizuru. She annoyed the heck out of me because she insisted on dragging around a sword (and taking it out to fight) when she was pretty close to worthless in most of the fights. That said she had her good points and I didn't try to act like she was so harpy slinging abuse at the males (Seriously the males are the douchemobiles in that game).
But yeah you won't get them on aarinfantasy since that's mostly a BL board XD
. It's in the comments there that I see stuff like, "He raped him because he loved him!!!!" kind of crap. So disturbing on so many levels!!
Wut. Someone actually said that? Good grief I understand people have darker tastes and that's fine and all but that's just ridiculous. Especially when they get so stupidly defensive and insist the relationship isn't unhealthy at all. It's okay to like a unhealthy fictional relationship people. I'm more bothered by their insistence that it's not unhealthy then by them liking it in their fiction.
Ah, it goes for women who like those stuff (and especially who does like only that), not just everyone. Heterosexual women for that matter. And I'm not saying it's the only reason, but originaly that type of manga was created for that purpose - so women could have express themselves. Kinda. Because they were not allowed to be anything that goes against social norms they live under.
Sorry, I disagree ^^ "All heterosexual women who like BL like it for this reason" is an absurd statement to me, for reasons I already explained.
Perhaps that was the original purpose of 1970s yaoi doujinshi -- to express romantic love between a couple without gender roles -- but I doubt every current BL mangaka would agree with that, especially very modern mangaka like Yoshinaga Fumi.
Wut. Someone actually said that?
Trust me, there's a whole lot of weird sh*t out there. The crap you can read in some fanfictions and mangas sometimes... is beyond any logic.
"All heterosexual women who like BL like it for this reason" is an absurd statement to me, for reasons I already explained.
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Where did you read that? I said it's one of the reasons and it's mostly for heterosexual females, not just everyone, but I've never said it applies for every and each one of them. But then again, not that many people would even acknowledge that they're unhappy with what they are so there's that.
For example Chizuru. She annoyed the heck out of me because she insisted on dragging around a sword (and taking it out to fight) when she was pretty close to worthless in most of the fights. That said she had her good points and I didn't try to act like she was so harpy slinging abuse at the males (Seriously the males are the douchemobiles in that game).
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Wut. Someone actually said that? Good grief I understand people have darker tastes and that's fine and all but that's just ridiculous. Especially when they get so stupidly defensive and insist the relationship isn't unhealthy at all. It's okay to like a unhealthy fictional relationship people. I'm more bothered by their insistence that it's not unhealthy then by them liking it in their fiction.
OMG... Chizuru... how did you know the one female character I absolutely cannot stand I never played the game though, just watched the anime. I couldn't make it past the first season... the guys were pretty but that's about it. Even if that one had been truly BL I'd have slept through it.
Well lots of BL is pure porn, and that includes rape fantasies. And I'm cool with that because, you know, YOLO. Down with censorship and such. But these girls, these young pre-teen girls, read these porny manga and get the wrong idea about real world relationships. I mean those manga are no more "real" than actual porn is... nobody watches porn and thinks, That's how real couples really act with each other! (Well some people probably do, bless their lonely little souls xD).
So it just worries me when I see these young girls say stuff like that, because I wonder, will they let boys do bad things to them b/c they think the boy "loves" them? I just don't know.
I haven't encountered too many of those although I've heard people complain about them a lot. It's probably the communities I hang out in... mostly aarinfantasy forums. I think a lot of the people there are pretty mature and closer to my age. But I understand like manga fox has more of a "stereotypical yaoi fan" community. It's in the comments there that I see stuff like, "He raped him because he loved him!!!!" kind of crap. So disturbing on so many levels!!
I have watched some yaoi animes here and there and the scenes don't look so rapey, more like "I want you but I am going to tell you to stop just because", seriously it is obvious the characters are head over heels for each other yet when the seme starts getting romantic, the uke acts completely denies his romantic feelings.
If he really wanted him to stop, he would've gotten physical instead of letting the seme have his way with him.
But I just watched Junjou Romantica and Sekai-Ichi Hatsukoi, other yaoi might be different.
If he really wanted him to stop, he would've gotten physical instead of letting the seme have his way with him.
That's not how it works.
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