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[Ryzaki]

 

*snip*

Alright this makes it much clearer. Thank you! I guess I'll give the rivalrymance another go.

 

Though I hate the sticks and stones quote. Mostly because it's not true.

 

Ah that's a bit of interesting lore.

[karushna5]

I prefer the current sytem. For one, while therey are not my options, there are more over all, also this way everyone is represented. Last time, there were 4 bisexual LIs. (1 of which was purposefully written to make him ambiguous) and a woman who is straight, possibly Bi, who is only in relationships with men. A straight man. And a straight, possibly bi, dwarf who only mentions women.

For gay men, or lesbian women there was not any representation. Also, several LIs were so ambiguously written that many of them dont feel like representation to some Bisexuals. And that doesn't feel right. I would prefer everyone get represented and some people get more options, or me not get the ones I liked, than get little or cheap representation.

Also, all Bi would have meant... no cullen, no Solas, no Iron Bull, No Josie. Yes guys you would have Sera and Blackwall, and ladies you could have Dorian and Cassandra, but there would be no lesbians, no gay men. I dont see anything wrong with some people, including me, losing the options they wanted as long as we can romance characters like ourselves.

[CuriousArtemis]

Also, all Bi would have meant... no cullen, no Solas, no Iron Bull, No Josie. Yes guys you would have Sera and Blackwall, and ladies you could have Dorian and Cassandra, but there would be no lesbians, no gay men. I dont see anything wrong with some people, including me, losing the options they wanted as long as we can romance characters like ourselves.

 

I totally understand that viewpoint ^^ I just picture them having done something similar in DA2, and if Fenris had been straight, wow... I'd probably never have become a BW fan. Cause that romance was what sucked me in, made me buy all the other games and fall in love with the company. 

 

And yeah if either Blackwall, Cullen, or Solas had been gay/bi, I doubt I'd be complaining much xD But as it is, I got the really, really raw end of the stick this go round (for me personally) and for the first time in a BW game I probably won't romance anyone. If I couldn't play an elf and the game didn't look so pretty, I probably wouldn't even buy it.

[karushna5]

I totally understand that viewpoint ^^ I just picture them having done something similar in DA2, and if Fenris had been straight, wow... I'd probably never have become a BW fan. Cause that romance was what sucked me in, made me buy all the other games and fall in love with the company. 
 
And yeah if either Blackwall, Cullen, or Solas had been gay/bi, I doubt I'd be complaining much xD But as it is, I got the really, really raw end of the stick this go round (for me personally) and for the first time in a BW game I probably won't romance anyone. If I couldn't play an elf and the game didn't look so pretty, I probably wouldn't even buy it.

I can totally understand, but I mean if your options were a Bi Dorian or Iron Bull, would it be just as hard? I mean, still 2 options, and sometimes we dont like them, (I didnt really like Traynor or Liara but I would prefer Traynor a lesbian to being Bi) because then there is an option to be seen at least. I guess I just assume sometimes I wont like my options, but it is nice that the option was for me even if I didnt like it.

I mean if Varric was Straight, Anders Bi, and Fenris gay, would it be worse because you missed Varric or better because your favored romance is openly gay? I think that is what these things boil down to. We wont get more options. But is it better to have the same options, or companions similiar to us? And I think each person will have a different answer.

[In Exile]

I can totally understand, but I mean if your options were a Bi Dorian or Iron Bull, would it be just as hard? I mean, still 2 options, and sometimes we dont like them, (I didnt really like Traynor or Liara but I would prefer Traynor a lesbian to being Bi) because then there is an option to be seen at least. I guess I just assume sometimes I wont like my options, but it is nice that the option was for me even if I didnt like it.

 

I'd say it was would be just as hard.  

 

... But somehow I don't think that was meant to be intentional. 

[Ryzaki]

I prefer the current sytem. For one, while therey are not my options, there are more over all, also this way everyone is represented. Last time, there were 4 bisexual LIs. (1 of which was purposefully written to make him ambiguous) and a woman who is straight, possibly Bi, who is only in relationships with men. A straight man. And a straight, possibly bi, dwarf who only mentions women.

For gay men, or lesbian women there was not any representation. Also, several LIs were so ambiguously written that many of them dont feel like representation to some Bisexuals. And that doesn't feel right. I would prefer everyone get represented and some people get more options, or me not get the ones I liked, than get little or cheap representation.

Also, all Bi would have meant... no cullen, no Solas, no Iron Bull, No Josie. Yes guys you would have Sera and Blackwall, and ladies you could have Dorian and Cassandra, but there would be no lesbians, no gay men. I dont see anything wrong with some people, including me, losing the options they wanted as long as we can romance characters like ourselves.

 

Yeah I disliked the whole Anders only mentions Karl if you were male thing. That was just...meh.

 

True enough.

 

True the 2/2/2 with extras situation has benefits such as representation for many groups.

[dixophilia]

I like the current romance method Bioware is doing right now. It's far more representative of the world we live in and offers more replay value. It also encourages people to try out different types of characters and to take on new perspectives.

 

I tend to never play as a male in Bioware games because they give me the option of playing as a female. A choice I rarely get in other games. However, because the Dorian and Cassandra romances are both so appealing, I plan to play as a male for my second and fourth playthroughs when initially I only intended to complete one or two runs.

[CuriousArtemis]

I can totally understand, but I mean if your options were a Bi Dorian or Iron Bull, would it be just as hard? I mean, still 2 options, and sometimes we dont like them, (I didnt really like Traynor or Liara but I would prefer Traynor a lesbian to being Bi) because then there is an option to be seen at least. I guess I just assume sometimes I wont like my options, but it is nice that the option was for me even if I didnt like it.

I mean if Varric was Straight, Anders Bi, and Fenris gay, would it be worse because you missed Varric or better because your favored romance is openly gay? I think that is what these things boil down to. We wont get more options. But is it better to have the same options, or companions similiar to us? And I think each person will have a different answer.

 

Well you asking me how selfish I am... I don't know if I should answer that 

 

Cause it burns, precious... it burns. Seeing other people cooing over my preferred love interests. 

 

Selfishness aside... I think the "totally fair" (minus representation) all bi system breeds less bitterness (see above). But yet it can't be underestimated, how it feels to finally have a romance created "just for you." Which is why I feel like... there is no right answer 

[CuriousArtemis]

I like the current romance method Bioware is doing right now. It's far more representative of the world we live in and offers more replay value. It also encourages people to try out different types of characters and to take on new perspectives.

 

For some, not all. I would be more likely to romance Cass if she were available to a female PC. But since she's not, there's 0% chance I'll romance her ^^

 

Everyone plays differently and gets different things out of it

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 Also, several LIs were so ambiguously written that many of them dont feel like representation to some Bisexuals. And that doesn't feel right. I would prefer everyone get represented and some people get more options, or me not get the ones I liked, than get little or cheap representation.

The 'cheap' representation I got in DA2 is better than the no representation I get now. 

[In Exile]

The 'cheap' representation I got in DA2 is better than the no representation I get now. 

 

What do you mean?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What do you mean?

With DA2 having characters designed to be ambiguous, there was finally an LI that was like me since I identify as such. But now with the 'real representation' of the set sexualities, I get left in the cold with none whatsoever. 

[In Exile]

With DA2 having characters designed to be ambiguous, there was finally an Li that was like me since I identify as such. But now with the 'real representation' of the set sexualities, I get left in the cold with none whatsoever. 

 

Ah, I understand. I'm sorry to hear that. 

[karushna5]

The 'cheap' representation I got in DA2 is better than the no representation I get now.

I can understand that, but at the same time there was rep for lesbians or gay guys either

[karushna5]

I think Artemis got it right. There is no correct answer. Hopefully you can someday get an ambiguous sexuality made that way for rep rather than players can pretend their LI is straight.

[trying_touch]

While I prefer making all love interests bisexual, I think making the them have their own sexual preference gives great replayability to the game. It also encourages us to play the opposite gender and see what differences (major or otherwise) the game offers.

[CuriousArtemis]

While I prefer making all love interests bisexual, I think making the them have their own sexual preference gives great replayability to the game. It also encourages us to play the opposite gender and see what differences (major or otherwise) the game offers.

 

Like I keep saying, that only works for some people. Making all romances available to my PC regardless of my PC's gender adds more replayability for someone like me  

 

For example: I've played all four romances in DA2, but just one in DAO and one in ME. Even games with crappy "romances" like Dragon's Dogma... I replayed it, hmm, three times so far to romance three different people (cause they were all available to my PC of choice).

 

But everyone plays games differently and for different reasons!

[dixophilia]

For some, not all. I would be more likely to romance Cass if she were available to a female PC. But since she's not, there's 0% chance I'll romance her ^^

 

Everyone plays differently and gets different things out of it

Well, yeah. That's why I used to the word "offers." The option is there, but it's by no means mandatory, of course. I may meet the characters and realize I don't like them enough to do another run-through as a different gender just for them, or maybe I'll really love their friendship arc and not want to consider the idea of a romance. But the option is there for me and everyone else, should we choose to pursue it. 

 

In Mass Effect I really liked Jack, and would have liked her as a female romance option. But after completing the game I decided that I liked her friendship enough to not worry about playing as a male PC that I wouldn't enjoy nearly as much just for a romance. And I loved that Traynor and Cortez were same-sex exclusive. Because if you were straight you had all the straight exclusive options, as well as the bi options. While if you're gay, you only had the option to romance the bi characters. (Though I would headcanon Kelly as pan, but that's a different discussion.)

 

Point is it just feels more realistic and inclusive.

Sure I want to romance Cassandra with my female Adaar. But I still have other options and I like them. In fact, I think Josephine seems rather adorable. And I trust her writer. And maybe you don't like the options you have, and that's totally fine too because people have preferences. But theoretically, there's always the chance you may play the game or a game in the future and realize you don't like any of the romance options, available to you or not.

 

That's the thing about preferences. BioWare could never account for them all. But I think they do a really good job at trying, more so then most other companies. It can't be easy to appease a fanbase as large as theirs.

 

Like you said, everyone plays differently. And I'm sorry you preferred the other romance system. Hopefully, you find a romance you end up enjoying.

[daveliam]

Yeah, for me, the romances aren't a big enough draw to role play a character that I'm not initially drawn to. So, for me, I'll never play enough straight females to romance Cullen and Blackwall. Maybe I can playthrough once as a lady Inquisitor, but there's just no way I'm going to do two of them, which means that I'll never play both of those romances. If they were bisexual, I'd definitely romance them both.

That's just me though.

[trying_touch]

I don't want to romance Cullen, really. But the 3,000 plus pages on his topic-thread makes me curious to see what's so cool about him.

 

Really, though, while Iron Bull is my primary romance choice, I mostly want to play as a woman for Sera, being such a badass and beautiful elf.

[CuriousArtemis]

I don't want to romance Cullen, really. But the 3,000 plus pages on his topic-thread makes me curious to see what's so cool about him.

 

Ah it breaks my heart. But you don't have to romance him to love him... I love his character just from watching him evolve from DAO to DA2, and I"m really curious to see what sort of man he's become in DAI. This is someone we've known from about early 20s to mid 30s. That's pretty cool.

[trying_touch]

Ah it breaks my heart. But you don't have to romance him to love him... I love his character just from watching him evolve from DAO to DA2, and I"m really curious to see what sort of man he's become in DAI. This is someone we've known from about early 20s to mid 30s. That's pretty cool.

Well, he got better looking, so yay!

 

I do think his personality has changed between the two games. I am still unsure about the fanaticism he's inspired.

[sandalisthemaker]

Hopefully there will be a nice, handsome, gay, human, knight in shining armor in DA4.

[Hellion Rex]

Hopefully there will be a nice, handsome, gay, human, knight in shining armor in DA4.

Someday, my friend. Some day.

[Who Knows]

Someday, my friend. Some day.

Too bad the romance tropes thread Allan made a while ago seems still closed. Hopefully the feedback there won't be forgotten.