He's only flirty when you stop his assassination attempt if your Warden is female. The male Warden will receive a hint that Zev has been with men at the party camp, and then has to ask him 'what he fancies.' After that Zevran pretty much outright asks male Warden if he is offended if he said he fancied him.
Here's the start of the party camp convos.
Ah, thanks. Makes me want to replay DA:O.
The existence of the lines from Zevran and Anders makes me believe that homosexual relations in Thedas aren't quite so accepted as the codex may lead one to believe, or perhaps more likely, that it was pandering to the straight bro gamer.
It means that the lack of general homophobia in a cultural sense does not mean there is not still the possibility of homophobia in the individual. Thedas does not lack for bigots, sexists, and generally disagreeable people who could potentially take "that's kind of weird" to new and exciting levels.
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I am fairly certain that somewhere in Thedas, there is a heterosexual or two who had to deal with uncomfortable advances from a homosexual and thus has a chip on their shoulder against the latter group as a whole.
I do find it strange that the people of Thedas are, for the most part, so accepting of homosexuality. Being gay certainly isn't 'normal' as some people would have us believe, so the fact that they're so accepting of it is rather strange to me, especially when the setting of Thedas, and the Dragon Age universe as a whole, is supposed to be medieval-like, which makes it even more perplexing.
I'm not saying that we should have gay characters being lynched (or something like that) in Dragon Age, but having a few more characters who are less accepting of gays would make the world feel a little more realistic (you can't seriously be telling me that there are hardly any people in the Dragon Age universe who are homophobic).
Dragons are not realistic, and certainly not normal. Even in medieval times 
Yet no one complains about them being unrealistic. Why are dragons, dwarves, elves, qunari and magic exempt from the "realism" argument, but sexual orientation isn't?
Dragons are not realistic, and certainly not normal. Even in medieval times
Yet no one complains about them being unrealistic. Why are dragons, dwarves, elves, qunari and magic exempt from the "realism" argument, but sexual orientation isn't?
As a general rule people are more willing to accept obvious fantasy elements, the aforementioned dwarves, elves, qunari and dragons but raise an eyebrow at smaller changes.
A dragon burning down a village wouldn't cause most to bat an eye but just about EVERY peasant being literate would.
Dragons are not realistic, and certainly not normal. Even in medieval times
Yet no one complains about them being unrealistic. Why are dragons, dwarves, elves, qunari and magic exempt from the "realism" argument, but sexual orientation isn't?
Cause sexuality is a mundane thing.
And has little to do with the fantasy.
I do find it strange that the people of Thedas are, for the most part, so accepting of homosexuality. Being gay certainly isn't 'normal' as some people would have us believe, so the fact that they're so accepting of it is rather strange to me, especially when the setting of Thedas, and the Dragon Age universe as a whole, is supposed to be medieval-like, which makes it even more perplexing.
I'm not saying that we should have gay characters being lynched (or something like that) in Dragon Age, but having a few more characters who are less accepting of gays would make the world feel a little more realistic (you can't seriously be telling me that there are hardly any people in the Dragon Age universe who are homophobic).
Someone must've been missing history classes, yea? Because there were times in history when those things were not only normal but expected even. True, it wasn't in the medieval times but who really cares? And it's not that "normal" in DA, not to the point where no one cares or no one mentiones that and such. People just care less because they have more important things going on around than that, that's all. And the Chanty has more important things to preach, too.
Zevran's hesitation over hitting on another guy was done for the benefit of the straight guy audience. He was essentially asking the *player* for permission to hit on their male character. That's why it seems to clash with the lore concerning homosexuality in Thedas. Same with Leliana and female characters I believe.
That's how I've always read Zev's lines, as well. It's less about the Warden and more about the player. It's like the second warning after you try to delete a file, "Are you sure you want to flirt with a male?"
That's how I've always read Zev's lines, as well. It's less about the Warden and more about the player. It's like the second warning after you try to delete a file, "Are you sure you want to flirt with a male?"
It really amazes how much I see it now in hindsight. When I first played the game, admittedly as a freshman in high school, that concept went right over my head. I was kind of blown away by the fact that there was actually a guy I could romance in a game and have it not be a total joke.
Yeah, I usually acknowledge that Zev's terrible implementation (his double checking if it's "okay" to flirt with you; his constant yammering about how he likes women) was due to his being one of the first m/m LI's. Sky, the only one who came before him, also had some questionable dialogue. I found his implementation to be better, but I thin this is a ymmv situation.
Zevran is bisexual though, with a preference for women.Yeah, I usually acknowledge that Zev's terrible implementation (his double checking if it's "okay" to flirt with you; his constant yammering about how he likes women) was due to his being one of the first m/m LI's. Sky, the only one who came before him, also had some questionable dialogue. I found his implementation to be better, but I thin this is a ymmv situation.
I have a bisexual female friend who only talks about hot guys in the media but had had a long term lesbian relationship. It's normal.
Um... how's that normal?
Um... how's that normal?
Normal in that typically bisexual people have a preference for one or the other, yet can sustain long term relationships with either.
Being bisexual doesn't not preclude someone from being monogamous. Just like with straight folks, we can be attracted to and comment on other people being hot while maintaining monogamy. And while some pan/bisexual prefer one gender over the other (or don't think of it in such binary terms,) for others it can depend upon the person, not their gender.
Hey Exile, I think that starting a "Bisexuality for Dummies" thread is looking really tempting again.
Being bisexual doesn't not preclude someone from being monogamous. Just like with straight folks, we can be attracted to and comment on other people being hot while maintaining monogamy. And while some pan/bisexual prefer one gender over the other (or don't think of it in such binary terms,) for others it can depend upon the person, not their gender.
Hey Exile, I think that starting a "Bisexuality for Dummies" thread is looking really tempting again.
It means that the lack of general homophobia in a cultural sense does not mean there is not still the possibility of homophobia in the individual. Thedas does not lack for bigots, sexists, and generally disagreeable people who could potentially take "that's kind of weird" to new and exciting levels.
What are your views on portraying such people in Thedas in a DA game? If they exist, on the one hand, we should see them. On the other hand, I kind of don't want to deal with this BS in my gaming. It's bad enough dealing with the occasional attention at a restaurant.
well there was Gamlen
well there was Gamlen
I think we can all agree he was just a scumbag all around.
I think we can all agree he was just a scumbag all around.
Aye he's a piece of work
He had his moments of almost sympathy, but then he Gamlened it all up
Gamlen is not homophobic, though. He hates all people equally. He's better than most of us.
Gamlen is not homophobic, though. He hates all people equally.
I agree with this part. Gamlen not necessarily homophobic, or any kind of phobic really. He's just an a**hole.
I agree with this part. Gamlen not necessarily homophobic, or any kind of phobic really. He's just an a**hole.
Does soapaphobic count?
Normal in that typically bisexual people have a preference for one or the other, yet can sustain long term relationships with either.
Not quite true. Bisexual men most often will limit their interactions with men to only sex and form relationships with women says statistics.
Does soapaphobic count?
That's....not even a word. Unless you mean a fear of those that follow Sapphos, but even then that doesn't work.
The only phobia that would make sense for Gamlen in Ablutophobia, the fear of bathing. Still, we're probably stretching it more than a bit here. Like i said, he doesn't appear to really be phobic. He's just a jerkass that is probably giving Hawke grief because Hawke made it good and Gamlen still stuck in his hut in Lowtown that smells like old cabbage. Jealousy plus being naturally being caustic= him looking for any excuse to insult Hawke.
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