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[Rainbow Wyvern]

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In a desperate attempt to steer this away from both bigotry and star wars, what do people think should be the next step in terms of LGBT representation in Thedas?

We have at least on (IMO) major NPC in Celene, and our lovable party members, so what's next? Maybe a functional NPC couple like Aveline and Donnic?

I'd really like it if we could come across a same-sex couple during a quest. The Inquisitor and their party could just be travelling through an area and come across a couple, maybe just holding hands or hugging each other. They lost their home when their village was destroyed by demons/Red Templars/*insert bad guy group here*, and are distraught over this, but one of them could remark how it doesn't matter because they still have each other, or that they still have their children.   (would this venture into the 'tragic same-sex couple' thing we've been shown so far in DA?) 

 

Gah, I'm getting too squishy. Still, I'd just like a two men or two women in the game just.. acting like any couple would. Being all adorable because I'm a sucker for that kind of thing. >.>

 

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[dixophilia]

While I really like that Celene is prominent and not straight, I actually thought her relationship was really unhealthy and kind of don't want her getting back with poor Briala.

Oh, the relationship definitely isn't healthy, I agree. But I still would like it mentioned in some way or another that yes, this Empress and powerful political figure was in a relationship with a female Elf and that the only real issue was that she was an Elf. I don't know, I just don't want for her to be assumed straight by people who haven't read the book.

[Hellion Rex]

Is Orlais that friendly? I mean, the nobility seem totally open to S/S couples, but I'm not sure that they actually have a concept of same-sex marriage.

 

Meh, maybe? We'll never know till we get there.

[In Exile]

Oh, the relationship definitely isn't healthy, I agree. But I still would like it mentioned in some way or another that yes, this Empress and powerful political figure was in a relationship with a female Elf and that the only real issue was that she was an Elf. I don't know, I just don't want for her to be assumed straight by people who haven't read the book.

 

Oh, I get it. Yeah, absolutely I'm with you there. Maybe she can just hook with up Sera instead if you don't romance her.  

[JadePrince]

 

One day maybe the Cammen/Ghena (sp?) set-up type could be an M/M or F/F quest instead. Though I suppose something like that would cause the internet to explode in dudebro rage. 

 

Ohh I like that idea! That'd be a lot of fun. 

 

I also hope that the NPC flirts/kisses are available to any gender PC and not just m/f.

 

I think it'd be amazing if, when you're more established as the Inquisitor, you get fans (aka soldiers who look up to you a lot/maybe even crush on you) who are not only opposite sex, but m/m or f/f too.

[Hellion Rex]

Though I suppose something like that would cause the internet to explode in dudebro rage. 

I welcome it.

 

Let them come.

[KaiserShep]

@CuriousArtemis: Oh, I'm a bigot, am I? Please, enlighten me: what exactly is it that makes me so? If you actually read my post you'd realise that I actually have no problem with gay people, I just find it a little strange that in a medieval setting there are so few people that do actually have a problem with them. Yes, I do realise Thedas is a fantasy world, so talk of realism might seem odd, but fantasy aspects are easy to accept because, well, they're fantasy (they don't exist, so they can't really be compared to the real world). However, gay people do exist, so with regards to realism I feel like it's okay to talk about them. Also, just because it's fantasy doesn't mean that it shouldn't have aspects of realism (you can only suspend your disbelief so much).

 

Am I 'bigoted' because I said that gays aren't normal? Nothing bigoted about that, I'm pretty much stating a fact. If something is 'normal' it conforms to a standard, it's typical, you expect it. Being straight, for example, is something that is normal; being gay isn't normal however because, well, it doesn't conform to a standard, it's unexpected. If you were to have a child, you would expect them to be straight because that's what the vast majority of people are, it would be unusual if they weren't.

 

Again, for the record, just because I'm saying being gay isn't normal doesn't mean I'm saying it's 'wrong' (of course it isn't). It just really irritates me when people continue to spread the false notion that being gay is normal (natural, yes, but certainly not normal); just because you exist, you happen to be gay, and there just happen to be other people just like you, doesn't necessarily mean that what you are is normal (plenty of paedophiles exist, too, but you certainly wouldn't say they are normal now, would you? And no, before you jump to conclusions, I'm not comparing/likening homosexuality to paedophilia, I'm just using it as an example of another type of attraction that also isn't normal).

 

If by 'normal' you mean 'acceptable' then yes being gay is normal in that sense; however I actually use the proper definition of words, therefore it's not 'normal' because it doesn't fit the definition of the word (this is something that you can't dispute, if you actually try to then you're deluded).

 

I've said my piece. If you still think I'm a bigot then that's your problem, I'm not going to continue arguing with you after if that's the case because I'd just be fighting a losing battle.  

Trouble is, at what point does depicting this sort of thing for sake of realism cross the bridge between adding more grounding and just being a groan-inducing frustration for certain players? Random NPC's whose comments amount to "eww gays" is a novelty I imagine would have a very brief welcome, assuming it's welcomed at all. While people in the real world are wont to mount their high horses and moralize on the issue to people they know and presumably care about or simply express their disgust because they can't be grownups about it, it may not be something people care to listen to in a game they fired up for fun.

 

In any case, in a universe such as Dragon Age, normalcy doesn't really hold a lot of weight in this context. People can turn into deranged horrors, or zap people's asses with lightning bolts from their finger tips, make deals with demons, enthrall hapless suckers and make them their slaves, or be dragged away and strung up by horrible monsters, or be ravaged by walking corpses. In that kind of world, how the frak do they have time to even care about people's sex lives?

 

Dad, I have something I need to tell you. About that boy I claimed was just my friend...

 

Oh, Maker! I knew it! I knew there was something more to it!

 

He's my lover.

 

Oh, thank Andraste. I thought you were going to say he was a bloodmage.

[Lebanese Dude]

Not quite true.  Bisexual men most often will limit their interactions with men to only sex and form relationships with women says statistics.

Um... how's that normal?

It's simple. My friend has a huge preference for men that make her "act straight" but she has found a woman that she loves and has had a 15 month relationship going.

It's not my place to judge how she labels herself, but my other friends often call her a "insert girlfriend name"-sexual.

She still identifies as bisexual.

[Grieving Natashina]

I welcome it.

 

Let them come.

I can taste their hate already.  Tastes like strawberries.

[Hellion Rex]

I can taste their hate already.  Tastes like strawberries.

I will feast on their despair.

[Lebanese Dude]

I will feast on their despair.

Once on the lips, forever on the hips.

[Leoroc]

Cause sexuality is a mundane thing.

And has little to do with the fantasy.

 

Certainly has a lot to do with all my fantasies

[In Exile]

I welcome it.

 

Let them come.

 

I can taste their hate already.  Tastes like strawberries.

 

 

I... that is.... is this... I mean... intentional?

 

 

Once on the lips, forever on the hips.

 

C'mon, this one's got to be on purpose. >_<

[In Exile]

Ohh I like that idea! That'd be a lot of fun. 

 

I also hope that the NPC flirts/kisses are available to any gender PC and not just m/f.

 

I think it'd be amazing if, when you're more established as the Inquisitor, you get fans (aka soldiers who look up to you a lot/maybe even crush on you) who are not only opposite sex, but m/m or f/f too.

 

I'm all for a mass of adoring attractive fans. 

[Hellion Rex]

 

I... that is.... is this... I mean... intentional?

 

 

You'll never know.

[In Exile]

Speaking of things I'd like to see, one thing that occurs to me is plot important S/S romances. By that, I mean that the two major plot significant romances in DA:O were (a) Alistair (given the Landsmeet) and ( Morrigan (given the DR). DA2 did well in this regard with Anders and (somewhat less so) Isabella, though the romance in her case didn't really seem to impact as much on the Arishok duel scene (IMO). 

[Lebanese Dude]

Speaking of things I'd like to see, one thing that occurs to me is plot important S/S romances. By that, I mean that the two major plot significant romances in DA:O were (a) Alistair (given the Landsmeet) and ( Morrigan (given the DR). DA2 did well in this regard with Anders and (somewhat less so) Isabella, though the romance in her case didn't really seem to impact as much on the Arishok duel scene (IMO).

I bet master romance race female elves are going to be able to flirt with the Empress of Orlais and impact that plot point

[In Exile]

I bet master romance race female elves are going to be able to flirt with the Empress of Orlais and impact that plot point

 

Female elves are the romance master race? Did I miss something? 

[Hellion Rex]

Female elves are the romance master race? Did I miss something? 

They have 5 possible romances, cause they also can get Solas.

[Hellion Rex]

Speaking of things I'd like to see, one thing that occurs to me is plot important S/S romances. By that, I mean that the two major plot significant romances in DA:O were (a) Alistair (given the Landsmeet) and ( Morrigan (given the DR). DA2 did well in this regard with Anders and (somewhat less so) Isabella, though the romance in her case didn't really seem to impact as much on the Arishok duel scene (IMO). 

I honestly could care less about my romances being plot important. I'm really not gonna complain if the guy I romance isn't super tied to the plot. That said, Dorian does seem to be extremely connected to the Venatori plot.

[WarriorOfLight999]

Maker's Breath, Thedas has enough problems! Next thing you know, the local chanter is going to stand outside Dorian's house with signs saying how much the Maker hates his 'kind.' Of course, Dorian will be somewhat refreshed and amused when he realizes its not because he's a mage.

[Lebanese Dude]

They have 5 possible romances, cause they also can get Solas.

6... They also get Cullen

Blackwall
Cullen
Iron Bull
Solas
Josephine
Sera

[Hellion Rex]

6... They also get Cullen

Blackwall
Cullen
Iron Bull
Solas
Josephine
Sera

Ah, never mind.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Pretty sure nobody cares. With Empress Celene and Briala, the only scandal was that she was an elf, not a chick. I couldn't stop laughing at their excessive interpersonal conflicts though. Two women = double the drama.

[Lebanese Dude]

Ah, never mind.

Yeah and we know Celene carries a torch for female elves too. Who knows?