Pretty sure nobody cares. With Empress Celene and Briala, the only scandal was that she was an elf, not a chick. I couldn't stop laughing at their excessive interpersonal conflicts though. Two women = double the drama.
In a desperate attempt to steer this away from both bigotry and star wars, what do people think should be the next step in terms of LGBT representation in Thedas?
We have at least on (IMO) major NPC in Celene, and our lovable party members, so what's next? Maybe a functional NPC couple like Aveline and Donnic?
A functional couple would be nice also quests involving lgbt npcs, merchants, and maybe it could be reflected in the dialogue more in relevant situations.
Honestly I would like marriage depicted a bit more how it was back in the day. Where the vows were between a noble and the various alliances and land they would get, and give to, the other noble in exchange, with their children basically as collateral deposit for the transaction.
So much about this true love and fairy tale depictions of the nobility((Couslands)) in a land where calling out their defacto militaryl leader as a Kinslayer, Slave Trader, and Even having the queen come down to denounce them, only gets a slight "meh" compared to the "He went after nobles and their lands/titles" denouncement (Landsmeet).
There's a lot of whitewashing of nobility and power playing in dragon age. And since theirs is the only marriage that actually affects things ((Nobody would care about a ferelden refugee and a runaway elf hooking up in a same sex marriage if they weren't so socially high ranking)), its somewhat of a disappointment to see, at least from a plot standpoint.
EDIT: Added below,
Homosexuality itself doens't appear to be a big deal in thedas, unless your a noble. And that seems only because the nobility believes in heredical succession, that onlys those of a bloodline can hold a position of that specific bloodline. So if you're not into the kind of sex that makes babies, you're kinda the problem in the big "how to keep the family line going a few more generations" delima. Course, folks have been getting around this issue for years, mostly from getting into child making relationships and political alliance marriages, and having lovers on the side. This seemed to please most everyone, if not everyone, involved, until the church comes in and excommunicates everyone. Course, thats assuming the andrastian church frowns on that sort of thing, which is questionable at best.
Frankly I find the political aspects of marriage much more interesting then the sexuality aspects. Because when you break it down, all marriage is the same once you come down in the scale of power a couple have, and becomes the same boring machine of resentment and self-loathing its been for forever.
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Honestly I would like marriage depicted a bit more how it was back in the day. Where the vows were between a noble and the various alliances and land they would get, and give to, the other noble in exchange, with their children basically as collateral deposit for the transaction.
So much about this true love and fairy tale depictions of the nobility((Couslands)) in a land where calling out their defacto militaryl leader as a Kinslayer, Slave Trader, and Even having the queen come down to denounce them, only gets a slight "meh" compared to the "He went after nobles and their lands/titles" denouncement (Landsmeet).
There's a lot of whitewashing of nobility and power playing in dragon age. And since theirs is the only marriage that actually affects things ((Nobody would care about a ferelden refugee and a runaway elf hooking up if they weren't so socially high ranking)), its somewhat of a disappointment to see, at least from a plot standpoint.
I'm all for happy endings or inclusion of sexuality, but I wish Dragon Age portrayed a grittier society. Not something too grim, but something that least makes it seem bleak enough that it needs heroes to save it. Origins and the City Elf origin in particular were great at that.
I'm all for happy endings or inclusion of sexuality, but I wish Dragon Age portrayed a grittier society. Not something too grim, but something that least makes it seem bleak enough that it needs heroes to save it. Origins and the City Elf origin in particular were great at that.
Ahhh the city elf origin. Where nobles acted like the horror stories history painted them as, and killing them made everything worse.
I'm a big fan of that one, it had the right blend of bleak and political depression, while also allowing you to at the very least, have some gratuitous gratification in killing those bastards.
Pretty sure nobody cares. With Empress Celene and Briala, the only scandal was that she was an elf, not a chick. I couldn't stop laughing at their excessive interpersonal conflicts though. Two women = double the drama.
Apparently Florian's affair with Meghren was scandalous because they were cousins, instead of M/M. But then that makes even less sense since the whole 'cousins' thing has never been an issue amongst the aristocracy and inbred children weren't exactly in cards with that relationship any ways.
Either Bioware is giving itself plausible-deniability, or just about anything can be a scandal in Orlais provided someone doesn't like you enough or wants your job.
You're talking about Orlais... It's a scandal if you wear bright blue when neutral colors are in fashion.Apparently Florian's affair with Meghren was scandalous because they were cousins, instead of M/M. But then that makes even less sense since the whole 'cousins' thing has never been an issue amongst the aristocracy and inbred children weren't exactly in cards with that relationship any ways.
Either Bioware is giving itself plausible-deniability, or just about anything can be a scandal in Orlais provided someone doesn't like you enough or wants your job.
You're talking about Orlais... It's a scandal if you wear bright blue when neutral colors are in fashion.
Anything and everything can be a scandal if you spin it right, which the players of The Game supposedly excel at.
Pretty much.
"She's wearing white after Labor Day. SCORN and SCANDAL!"
Either Bioware is giving itself plausible-deniability, or just about anything can be a scandal in Orlais provided someone doesn't like you enough or wants your job.
Ha, bingo 
Scandal is usually linked to money and power. It's not like anyone genuinely gives a crap about who you share your bed with at night.
Pretty much.
"She's wearing white after Labor Day. SCORN and SCANDAL!"
No doubt the requirements for scandals are so arbitrary and random that everyone walks the razor's edge over the pit of indignity.
"Look at that ridiculous slob, wearing loafers at this time of the day!"
"Look at you, staring at a man's shoes! Scandal most foul!"
"Look at you, looking at me! Scandal times ten!"
"SCANDAL!"
*glove slap*
[Everyone in the room]
"SCANDAL!"
No doubt the requirements for scandals are so arbitrary and random that everyone walks the razor's edge over the pit of indignity.
"Look at that ridiculous slob, wearing loafers at this time of the day!"
"Look at you, staring at a man's shoes! Scandal most foul!"
"Look at you, looking at me! Scandal times ten!"
"SCANDAL!"
*glove slap*
[Everyone in the room]
"SCANDAL!"
I picture it going down like this:
Pretty sure nobody cares. With Empress Celene and Briala, the only scandal was that she was an elf, not a chick. I couldn't stop laughing at their excessive interpersonal conflicts though. Two women = double the drama.
yeah, not the model for lesbian relationships
Pretty sure nobody cares. With Empress Celene and Briala, the only scandal was that she was an elf, not a chick. I couldn't stop laughing at their excessive interpersonal conflicts though. Two women = double the drama.
In a desperate attempt to steer this away from both bigotry and star wars, what do people think should be the next step in terms of LGBT representation in Thedas?
We have at least on (IMO) major NPC in Celene, and our lovable party members, so what's next? Maybe a functional NPC couple like Aveline and Donnic?
If they don't fix TME's issues by allowing Celene and Briala to reunite, I can safely write the whole book off as useless garbage.
All I want is representation that isn't dysfunctional or tragic.
I never really understood where most of Thedas' nations stood on homosexuality.
In origins, when Zevran asked you if you were insulted after complimenting the male Warden, or when Leliana asked you if you thought it was weird for her to find a female PC pretty, I sorta got the feeling that it was frowned upon, somewhat. However, none of the other companions or characters ever remark on your PC's orientation.
The in DA2, you have to save one of Anders' past lovers and the fact that he's a man isn't mentionned. There's also the thing with Seamus (The viscount's son) and Ashaad the Qunari who have an implied sexual relationship, there again, nobody mentionned it.
Is sexual orientation really not an issue in a world where people are persecuted for having pointy ears or cool magic powers?
I'd think that The Chantry, The Qunari or the Tevinters have an opinion on the matter. Or even the Human Nobles for that matter, who might not want heirs that couldn't give them children.
Although I can see the Antivans, the Dalish or maybe the Tal-Vashoth being more open minded.
As a homosexual male it's a topic i'm interested in and I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter? Have you spotted hints or remarks that I didnt?
Think it might come up now that we have two companions that identify as gay?
Angry joe did a good piece on Anders "why can't we just be friends"
"What I find most interesting is that, despite the lack of open discussion on matters of human sexuality, there is commonality to be found on the subject in all Andrastian lands. Typically, one's sexual habits are considered natural and separate from matters of procreation, and only among the nobility, where procreation involves issues of inheritance and the union of powerful families, is it considered of vital importance. Yet, even there, a noble who has done their duty to the family might be allowed to pursue their own sexual interests without raising eyebrows.
The view on indulging lusts with a member of the same gender varies from land to land. In Orlais, it is considered a quirk of character and nothing more. In Fereldan, it is a matter of scandal if done indiscreetly but otherwise nothing noteworthy. In Tevinter, it is considered selfish and deviant behaviour among nobles, but actively encouraged with favored slaves. Nowhere is it forbidden, and sex of any kind is only considered worthy of judgment when taken to awful excess or performed in the public eye."
- From In Pursuit of Knowledge: The Travels of A Chantry Scholar, by Brother Genitivi
So this has probably been seen already by most people but I thought I'd type it up since I saw it in it's entirety.
Id like a S/S couple to appear but ill be surprised if it happens, my pessimism about it thinks there'll be no M/M or F/F relationships outside the inquisitor S/S romances, or if they do appear it'll include some kind of tragic event happening
I wouldn't mind it but I'd much prefer less of the Bury Your Gays trope. A happy s/s couple, some s/s drama, or some happy ending to a troublesome event would be great.
I expect BioWare will provide at least ONE in this massive expansive game.
If they don't fix TME's issues by allowing Celene and Briala to reunite, I can safely write the whole book off as useless garbage.
All I want is representation that isn't dysfunctional or tragic.
If they don't fix TME's issues by allowing Celene and Briala to reunite, I can safely write the whole book off as useless garbage.
All I want is representation that isn't dysfunctional or tragic.
What? You want two people who were in a relationship built on lies and murder to reunite? Seriously?
Then focus on a different relationship.
If they don't fix TME's issues by allowing Celene and Briala to reunite, I can safely write the whole book off as useless garbage.
All I want is representation that isn't dysfunctional or tragic.
but Celene and Briala are in a dysfunctional relationship.
Bringing that back together isn't solving any issues
Let's be honest though. Have we ever seen a successful and happy relationship in Dragon Age, of any kind, that didn't end in tragedy or betrayal?
Let's be honest though. Have we ever seen a successful and happy relationship in Dragon Age that didn't end in tragedy or betrayal?
Wade and Herren, though that was confirmed by Word of God
Aveline and Donnic
Isolde and Eamon assuming Isolde didn't die
any of the romances that you don't break off
Hawke and Murder knife
Let's be honest though. Have we ever seen a successful and happy relationship in Dragon Age, of any kind, that didn't end in tragedy or betrayal?
There are 3.
1) Farmer & wife adopting Meteorite Kid (DA:O)
2) Wade & Herren (DA:O)
3) Hawke's parents (DA:2)
Edit: Looks like Steelcan has a few more for you.
If they don't fix TME's issues by allowing Celene and Briala to reunite, I can safely write the whole book off as useless garbage.
All I want is representation that isn't dysfunctional or tragic.
Unless you can bring back from dead Briala's parents and thousands of elves killed in Halamshiral, there is no way this relationship can be anything but dysfuntional
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