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[WildOrchid]

If they don't fix TME's issues by allowing Celene and Briala to reunite, I can safely write the whole book off as useless garbage.

 

All I want is representation that isn't dysfunctional or tragic.

 

Sadly as much as I want them together, they're dysfunctional to the point of no coming back. Getting them together, after all the pain Celene caused to Briala, it would send a bad message.

 

Dysfunctional relationships sometimes can be fixed but it solely depends on what kind. Your gf killing your parents and keeping it secret doesn't help the cause at all.

[Lumix19]

Wade and Herren, though that was confirmed by Word of God

 

Aveline and Donnic

 

Isolde and Eamon assuming Isolde didn't die

 

any of the romances that you don't break off

 

Hawke and Murder knife

 

There are 3.

 

1)  Farmer & wife adopting Meteorite Kid (DA:O)

2)  Wade &  Herren (DA:O)

3)  Hawke's parents (DA:2)

 

Edit: Looks like Steelcan has a few more for you.

True true. Wade and Herren are s/s so there's an example of a successful relationship. I didn't really want to count any of the PC romances since they aren't representation.

What would be cool is a relationship like Julian and Nicholas which we can help create (like Aveline and Donnic) but without the tragedy.

[Hellion Rex]

If they don't fix TME's issues by allowing Celene and Briala to reunite, I can safely write the whole book off as useless garbage.

 

All I want is representation that isn't dysfunctional or tragic.

They're not gonna reunite, and honestly I don't think they should cause that was one hell of an unhealthy relationship on both parties.

[In Exile]

Let's be honest though. Have we ever seen a successful and happy relationship in Dragon Age, of any kind, that didn't end in tragedy or betrayal?

 

Few, as people pointed out. And more importantly, all M/F. Now, I don't agree that games shouldn't feature mostly dysfunctional relationships (they make for good drama if well done), and equal (prominent) representation means that we'll have lots of dysfunctional S/S relationships as a result. 

 

The problem is that the stable, minor, background relationships are all M/F (with the exception of Wade/Herren, which was never really shown as a relationship in-game). 

[Xilizhra]

Sadly as much as I want them together, they're dysfunctional to the point of no coming back. Getting them together, after all the pain Celene caused to Briala, it would send a bad message.

 

Dysfunctional relationships sometimes can be fixed but it solely depends on what kind. Your gf killing your parents and keeping it secret doesn't help the cause at all.

Unimportant. The terrible relationship existing to begin with was the offense. Fixing it is, in my opinion, the only possible recompense.

[In Exile]

Unimportant. The terrible relationship existing to begin with was the offense. Fixing it is, in my opinion, the only possible recompense.

 

Even if we grant that, how do you fix this? Celene basically murdered Briala's family and pretty much took advantage of her after that, including basically twisting her dreams for her people. 

[Steelcan]

So its more important that a dysfunctional, borderline abusive relationship be rekindled, then these characters moving on?

 

[Xilizhra]

Even if we grant that, how do you fix this? Celene basically murdered Briala's family and pretty much took advantage of her after that, including basically twisting her dreams for her people. 

I doubt it'll be satisfying, but it can't be worse than the book itself. Celene would definitely have to seek redemption for that and actually want to make up for her prior sins.

 

Of course, killing her would technically be a possibility... but Gaspard is even worse, and I have no desire to help him.

[In Exile]

I doubt it'll be satisfying, but it can't be worse than the book itself. Celene would definitely have to seek redemption for that and actually want to make up for her prior sins.

 

Of course, killing her would technically be a possibility... but Gaspard is even worse, and I have no desire to help him.

 

I do think Celene would want to make up with Briala - she seems co-dependent in that regard to me - but I just don't think there's any act of reconciliation that Briala should accept. I think, instead, Briala should just fit another girl for herself - maybe a well-adjusted elf-partner in arms. 

 

Gaspard is just an intolerable hypocrite. 

[Wulfram]

I'd rather have Briala find someone else.

[raging_monkey]

I doubt it'll be satisfying, but it can't be worse than the book itself. Celene would definitely have to seek redemption for that and actually want to make up for her prior sins.
 
Of course, killing her would technically be a possibility... but Gaspard is even worse, and I have no desire to help him.

relationships end for good or bad. Saying the should get back together despite their dysfunction is somewhat cruel imo

[Xilizhra]

I do think Celene would want to make up with Briala - she seems co-dependent in that regard to me - but I just don't think there's any act of reconciliation that Briala should accept. I think, instead, Briala should just fit another girl for herself - maybe a well-adjusted elf-partner in arms. 

 

Gaspard is just an intolerable hypocrite. 

The problem I have with that is that it's entirely possible that Bioware will have one or both hook up with a man, in addition to still leaving TME a vile waste of time.

[Master Warder Z_]

The problem I have with that is that it's entirely possible that Bioware will have one or both hook up with a man, in addition to still leaving TME a vile waste of time.

 

I see Celene Marrying Gaspard as a possible outcome to the civil war.

[AresKeith]

The problem I have with that is that it's entirely possible that Bioware will have one or both hook up with a man, in addition to still leaving TME a vile waste of time.

 

 

[Xilizhra]

I see Celene Marrying Gaspard as a possible outcome to the civil war.

I see that as being about as likely as Bhelen marrying Harrowmont.

[In Exile]

The problem I have with that is that it's entirely possible that Bioware will have one or both hook up with a man, in addition to still leaving TME a vile waste of time.

 

I'm at the point where I would give them the benefit of the doubt that, with the addition of gay & lesbian party members, Bioware wouldn't feel the need to suggest both partners in a hugely plot-relevant lesbian couple are actually both bi. 

[In Exile]

I see that as being about as likely as Bhelen marrying Harrowmont.

 

Ha! This is my new favourite conclusion to any dude vs. dude civil war plot. 

[Steelcan]

I see that as being about as likely as Bhelen marrying Harrowmont.

well Gaspard offered once, and Celene turned him down, she may not have the luxury of refusing next time

[Master Warder Z_]

I see that as being about as likely as Bhelen marrying Harrowmont.

 

Considering Gaspard already made the offer i see it as more then likely considering the position of both parties will only deteriorate the longer the conflict goes along.

 

It's a fairly simple and fairly bloodless way to end a war.

[Dark Helmet]

 

 

Wait The Masked Empire was entirely about Celene and Briala's unhealthy relationship?

 

Cause I'm pretty sure it had other things going for it...

[Xilizhra]

I'm at the point where I would give them the benefit of the doubt that, with the addition of gay & lesbian party members, Bioware wouldn't feel the need to suggest both partners in a hugely plot-relevant lesbian couple are actually both bi. 

After how much of a crapfest TME was, I'm not inclined to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt on anything related to sexuality. They don't care about social issues, they're just ahead of the curve in marketing strategy.

 

 

well Gaspard offered once, and Celene turned him down, she may not have the luxury of refusing next time

Ah, yes, the "rape" ending.

[WildOrchid]

The problem I have with that is that it's entirely possible that Bioware will have one or both hook up with a man, in addition to still leaving TME a vile waste of time.

 

Or they can make them move on and find another partner.

[Xilizhra]

Or they can make them move on and find another partner.

Again, I see no reason to trust Bioware to not wreck things further. Hence my advocacy for the safe option.

[Steelcan]

 

Ah, yes, the "rape" ending.

They don't have to ever consummate their marriage, could care less if they do

[In Exile]

After how much of a crapfest TME was, I'm not inclined to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt on anything related to sexuality. They don't care about social issues, they're just ahead of the curve in marketing strategy.

 

I just don't think Bioware did anything egregious in their portrayal of Briala/Celene other than (1) it being a fucked up relationship and (2) continuing their pattern of dooming pretty much every major romantic plot pairing to dysfunction and disaster.