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[Br3admax]

There's also Branka/Hespith. And I don't mind relationships that require player intervention to keep, such as Aveline/Donnic, but we don't even have those.

 

Also, Rhys/Evangeline for another successful straight one.

 

I disagree. Outside of the playable character, we haven't seen a lesbian relationship end positively at all. And yet you still have heterosexual relationships that do rather well or don't end in tragedy. I'm not all up in arms over it like Xil is, but it is a noticeable trend.

We haven't seen any relationships "work" outside of the player control. Period. 

 

Rhys and Evangeline is up in the air as that's recent. Branka and Hespith were together for years. And at any moment, just as in real life, things can fall apart. I don't know where you see these numerous heterosexual relationships working, but I certainly don't. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

Legions of Lesbian would be a pretty good band name tbh.

[daveliam]

I think that there is definitely a trend here, but the problem is that there is such a small sample size, that's hard to say anything beyond that.  I can only think of 5 s/s couples in the universe:

Leliana/Marjolaine

Briala/Celene

Branka/Hespith

Nicolas/Julian

Wade/Herren

 

Only one of them seems functional.  That's about a 20% success rate.  It's not bad, but it's certainly worse than straight relationships.  That being said, I'm not sure it means anything because, as I said, there are only 5 in the sample.  Hopefully, there are more in DA: I and, even better, more that are functional.

[Br3admax]

Only one of them seems functional.  That's about a 20% success rate.  It's not bad, but it's certainly worse than straight relationships.  

How? Straight relationships don't work in Dragon Age either. 

[TheJediSaint]

How? Straight relationships don't work in Dragon Age either. 

Sometimes they last long enough for one or both partners to be murdered horribly.

[Who Knows]

I think that there is definitely a trend here, but the problem is that there is such a small sample size, that's hard to say anything beyond that.  I can only think of 5 s/s couples in the universe:

Leliana/Marjolaine

Briala/Celene

Branka/Hespith

Nicolas/Julian

Wade/Herren

 

Only one of them seems functional.  That's about a 20% success rate.  It's not bad, but it's certainly worse than straight relationships.  That being said, I'm not sure it means anything because, as I said, there are only 5 in the sample.  Hopefully, there are more in DA: I and, even better, more that are functional.

I personally think that S/S relationships should be held to a higher standard as they are relatively so few in number in popular forms of entertainment, not just Bioware games.

[Reznore57]

I think that there is definitely a trend here, but the problem is that there is such a small sample size, that's hard to say anything beyond that.  I can only think of 5 s/s couples in the universe:

Leliana/Marjolaine

Briala/Celene

Branka/Hespith

Nicolas/Julian

Wade/Herren

 

Only one of them seems functional.  That's about a 20% success rate.  It's not bad, but it's certainly worse than straight relationships.  That being said, I'm not sure it means anything because, as I said, there are only 5 in the sample.  Hopefully, there are more in DA: I and, even better, more that are functional.

 

Nicolas/Julian (well it ended badly but it had nothing to do with their relationship ) and Wade/Herren seem like functional couples ?

[Yinello]

We haven't seen any relationships "work" outside of the player control. Period. 

 

Bhelen/Rica. In fact, it's a relationship that the player actually can destroy depending who they choose as king but has worked before the Warden got involved.

 

Even with player control, I'd like an s/s relationship that is stable.

[daveliam]

How? Straight relationships don't work in Dragon Age either. 

 

You seriously want me to go back and start listing straight relationships that seem functional?  Why?  To what end?  You and I both know that they exist in the game.

[AresKeith]

Nicolas/Julian (well it ended badly but it had nothing to do with their relationship ) and Wade/Herren seem like functional couples ?

 

Functional in the old married couple way

[TheJediSaint]

Nicolas/Julian (well it ended badly but it had nothing to do with their relationship ) and Wade/Herren seem like functional couples ?

Branka and Hespith's problems had nothing to do with their relationship and everything to do with Branka's obsession with the Anvil of the Void.

[Br3admax]

Bhelen/Rica. In fact, it's a relationship that the player actually can destroy depending who they choose as king but has worked before the Warden got involved.

That's not outside of the player's control. You just explicitly named why is was under the player's control. 

 

You seriously want me to go back and start listing straight relationships that seem functional?  Why?  To what end?  You and I both know that they exist in the game.

To actually prove your point? Go ahead. 

[Xilizhra]

That's not outside of the player's control. You just explicitly named why is was under the player's control.

I already said that I could accept one that would be in the player's control, but we never even get those.

[daveliam]

 

To actually prove your point? Go ahead. 

 

That's one of the laziest tactics I've seen in a while.  If I said that elves had pointy ears, would you want me to go back and start listing all elves with pointy ears too?

 

There are dozens of straight couples in the games that are side characters and background characters that just exist.  They don't have details, but it's clear that they are couples.  Look at the alienages, the markets, the towns, etc.  They exist in the game.  We see them in cut scenes.  In the back ground.  Through banter.  They exist.  The fact that we can only name 5 s/s couples total and that every one of them has ended poorly save 1, should be pretty obvious to you.  I feel like you are being purposefully obtuse for reason and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

[Yinello]

That's not outside of the player's control. You just explicitly named why is was under the player's control. 

 

You asked which straight couple worked without player control. Rica/Bhelen works, as a player all you can do is choose to make it not work. Donnic/Aveline needs player intervention to work. All lesbian relationships don't work no matter what you do.

[Steelcan]

That's one of the laziest tactics I've seen in a while.  If I said that elves had pointy ears, would you want me to go back and start listing all elves with pointy ears too?

 

There are dozens of straight couples in the games that are side characters and background characters that just exist.  They don't have details, but it's clear that they are couples.  Look at the alienages, the markets, the towns, etc.  They exist in the game.  We see them in cut scenes.  In the back ground.  Through banter.  They exist.  The fact that we can only name 5 s/s couples total and that every one of them has ended poorly save 1, should be pretty obvious to you.  I feel like you are being purposefully obtuse for reason and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

you can't count background NPCs, for all we know there are lesbian and gay relationships in the background as well

[daveliam]

you can't count background NPCs, for all we know there are lesbian and gay relationships in the background as well

 

Why not?  You certainly can count them if they are obviously couples.  What we can't do is count background s/s couples because there aren't any that are obviously identified as such.

[Br3admax]

I already said that I could accept one that would be in the player's control, but we never even get those.

I don't agree with those because with the player's influenced involved, you can't prove that they would work on their own. In most cases they obviously don't. 

 

There are dozens of straight couples in the games that are side characters and background characters that just exist.  

Name. One. One that works. If you can't back up the claim you made, I'll just assume you can't. What's lazy is making a claim and then refusing to support it. 

You asked which straight couple worked without player control.

I said outside of player control, not without player help. Even then, Bhelen needs the Warden's support to take the crown and remain in said relationship. 

[WildOrchid]

you can't count background NPCs, for all we know there are lesbian and gay relationships in the background as well

 

The problem is, we don't know any. The straight ones are the obvious ones.

[Drasanil]

There are dozens of straight couples in the games that are side characters and background characters that just exist.  They don't have details, but it's clear that they are couples.  Look at the alienages, the markets, the towns, etc.  They exist in the game.  We see them in cut scenes.  In the back ground.  Through banter.  They exist.  The fact that we can only name 5 s/s couples total and that every one of them has ended poorly save 1, should be pretty obvious to you.  I feel like you are being purposefully obtuse for reason and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

 

I'm sure there are plenty of irrelevant background S/S relationships that work out fine and that we never hear about. Now if you want to be fair and compare the relationships that are actually highlighted in any meaningful way...

 

You had to jump through hoops, twice to get Oghren's relationship with Felsi to 'work'. Apart for that Cailan/Anora were disfunctional, Alistair/Anora are potentially dysfunctional, Zevran killed his GF, Marric was hardly the model of fidelity, Bhelen/Rica only worked because she managed to pop out a boy and that still be messed up, Cammen/Gemma can be broken up and/or killed by Werewolves. Then there's also FemDalish/Tamlen, City Elf and Husband/Wife, City Elf's Mom/Dad, Couslands get murderfied.

 

Dragon Age is hardly a happy endings sort of place, I don't see why S/S should be given a pass when the vast majority of remotely relevant relationships don't.  

[Steelcan]

Why not?  You certainly can count them if they are obviously couples.  What we can't do is count background s/s couples because there aren't any that are obviously identified as such.

Because we have no way of knowing whether "couples" we see are actually couples.

 

All we can gather from them is what they tell us

[daveliam]

 

Name. One. One that works. If you can't back up the claim you made, I'll just assume you can't. What's lazy is making a claim and then refusing to support it. 

 

 

Gorim and his wife.  There's one without having to even blink. 

[In Exile]

You seriously want me to go back and start listing straight relationships that seem functional?  Why?  To what end?  You and I both know that they exist in the game.

 

Obviouly to win an argument on the internet. 

[Yinello]

There's also Anders/Karl which is also tragic.

[daveliam]

Dragon Age is hardly a happy endings sort of place, I don't see why S/S should be given a pass when the vast majority of remotely relevant relationships don't.  

 

 

I don't think anyone is arguing that s/s relationships should be given a pass.  We are asking for more than one s/s relationship that isn't tragic.  Why is this a problem for people?