lol I don't think it would be three for sure
I wonder if she would be confused though. But why?? Why aren't regular Joe s/s couples asking to be married? Why is that not part of Thedas' traditions?
I don't know. Maybe they are and we just haven't seen them? Wade and Herren always struck me as the type to be married, so it may have already happened.
I don't know. Maybe they are and we just haven't seen them? Wade and Herren always struck me as the type to be married, so it may have already happened.
Yeah 
That would be so awesome if that were the case!!!!
Well I'm... not sure? Why are you so sure? lol
Because Thedas society is still based on hereditary landholding, feudal nobility, and family lineage.
Marriage is pretty much just a political practical concept in a world like that.
We've been moving away from that in inches for centuries and we are only just now starting to embrace a larger view.
Well I'm... not sure? Why are you so sure? lol
http://dragonage.wik...ty_and_marriage
Entry line reads "Within Thedas, there are several different views with regard to sexuality and marriage. Common to all groups is that marriage is not primarily regarded as a romantic affair, but a duty to one's family."
Given that's viewed as a duty to one's family across the board. I'd gay marriage is not really a thing in Thedas. Its not only nobles that need children to continue the line, but poorer folks probably want kids and grandkids, given that would pretty much be their defacto retirement plan.
3. HEATHENS, LEAVE THIS SACRED PLACE.
They could respond:
lol I don't think it would be three for sure
I wonder if she would be confused though. But why?? Why aren't regular Joe s/s couples asking to be married? Why is that not part of Thedas' traditions?
There's not much point. I don't think the tax and emergency notification issues, and the like, that motivate so many to fight for gay marriage in our world exist in Thedas. Marriage seems to be a matter of property, children, and children's property, more than love.
Yes, I'm sure.
Unless Gaider or someone else with God Tier writers cred comes out and says otherwise.
Even if it IS a fantasy world Thedas is still centuries behind us on social progress and WE are just beginning to come around to a more open definition of marriage now *as in within living memory*
actually until the victorian era gays were better off as long as they were quiet about it. By that I mean everyone knows but noone says anything. Way back when the church would kill people over it it was more of a BS offense. The soldiers way back when would routinely...meet but it was accepted since there weren't women around. Same with sailors. And before I am called names I don't think it was right they had to be quiet about it just saying it wasn't until the victorian age that everyone was so focused on it.
actually until the victorian era gays were better off as long as they were quiet about it. By that I mean everyone knows but noone says anything. Way back when the church would kill people over it it was more of a BS offense. The soldiers way back when would routinely...meet but it was accepted since there weren't women around. Same with sailors. And before I am called names I don't think it was right they had to be quiet about it just saying it wasn't until the victorian age that everyone was so focused on it.
Which has very little relevance to my point.
Well, we have already received the canon answers concerning Thedosian views on homosexuality, but ultimately, they seem to see homosexuality as any other relationship, with no nationwide oppositions against homosexuality itself... which is awesome.
No character ever criticizes you for being with someone of the same sex, not NPC nor companion.
As ideal as that is though, Thedas still has its numerous civil rights issues (primarily mage-abuse and slavery).
lol I don't think it would be three for sure
I wonder if she would be confused though. But why?? Why aren't regular Joe s/s couples asking to be married? Why is that not part of Thedas' traditions?
I'm guessing here, but I think Bioware hasn't done so because there could be real-world backlash from consumers over it. In a way, they'd be directly endorsing s/s marriage. As a company that could have unpleasant ramifications. It's one thing to tentatively broach s/s relationships but showing s/s couples in their games as married/getting married might be more than they want to tackle at this point. For Bioware, it could be that there are enough in the consumer base who complain about s/s options and flirtations as it is. It may also be that EA has restricted Bioware from going too far, lest they be associated with social awareness interests that they don't want to participate in right now. Given Bioware's willingness to explore s/s relationships, I think they'd have done this by now if they could. Or they just don't see a point since people (digital and real) don't NEED marriage to be in a happy committed relationship anyway so why push for it so hard? There's a growing movement of people who see marriage as an outdated institution so not putting it in the faces of those who play their games but keeping s/s couples visible and not making it a Big Deal might just be their way of striking a happy medium?
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It may also be that EA has restricted Bioware from going too far, lest they be associated with social awareness interests that they don't want to participate in right now.
I don't know about that.
They make appearances at some of the major LGBT parades in Europe and North America. I doubt they would shy away from allowing Bioware to tackle those issues.
I'm guessing here, but I think Bioware hasn't done so because there could be real-world backlash from consumers over it. In a way, they'd be directly endorsing s/s marriage. As a company that could have unpleasant ramifications. It's one thing to tentatively broach s/s relationships but showing s/s couples in their games as married/getting married might be more than they want to tackle at this point. For Bioware, it could be that there are enough in the consumer base who complain about s/s options and flirtations as it is. It may also be that EA has restricted Bioware from going too far, lest they be associated with social awareness interests that they don't want to participate in right now. Given Bioware's willingness to explore s/s relationships, I think they'd have done this by now if they could. Or they just don't see a point since people (digital and real) don't NEED marriage to be in a happy committed relationship anyway so why push for it so hard? There's a growing movement of people who see marriage as an outdated institution so not putting it in the faces of those who play their games but keeping s/s couples visible and not making it a Big Deal might just be their way of striking a happy medium?
This whole S/S marriage thing is a thing in the US so I get that it occupies people's thoughts and time, but keep in mind that despite EA's ownership Bioware is Canadian and staffed as such, and marriage equality has been an obvious and universally welcome (pretty much) change here since the early 2000s, and the push toward substantive equal rights was well under way in the 90s.
I'm guessing here, but I think Bioware hasn't done so because there could be real-world backlash from consumers over it. In a way, they'd be directly endorsing s/s marriage. As a company that could have unpleasant ramifications. It's one thing to tentatively broach s/s relationships but showing s/s couples in their games as married/getting married might be more than they want to tackle at this point. For Bioware, it could be that there are enough in the consumer base who complain about s/s options and flirtations as it is. It may also be that EA has restricted Bioware from going too far, lest they be associated with social awareness interests that they don't want to participate in right now. Given Bioware's willingness to explore s/s relationships, I think they'd have done this by now if they could. Or they just don't see a point since people (digital and real) don't NEED marriage to be in a happy committed relationship anyway so why push for it so hard? There's a growing movement of people who see marriage as an outdated institution so not putting it in the faces of those who play their games but keeping s/s couples visible and not making it a Big Deal might just be their way of striking a happy medium?
I'm not happy with the current situation of not being able to marry the LI I want or not even ever have any 'no sex until marriage' options, so no I would not say this is striking a happy medium.
hmm thats doesnt like his normal posts.
But i think he maybe ment that asking for things just cause x groups have it doesnt it should be forced on x group just for "equality".
But i lack context on the post so idk if he ment it like that
Considering the PM I got in response for asking, no I don't think he meant it like that.
Skyrim has s/s marriage... s'all I'm saying 
C'mon BioWare!
I don't know about that.
They make appearances at some of the major LGBT parades in Europe and North America. I doubt they would shy away from allowing Bioware to tackle those issues.
I did not know that! That's really pretty awesome! 
This whole S/S marriage thing is a thing in the US so I get that it occupies people's thoughts and time, but keep in mind that despite EA's ownership Bioware is Canadian and staffed as such, and marriage equality has been an obvious and universally welcome (pretty much) change here since the early 2000s, and the push toward substantive equal rights was well under way in the 90s.
True. I can only surmise from my perspective. Marriage equality is something we're moving towards - though with a lot of kicking and screaming by opponents. I guess my point was that perhaps they're not making it a Big Deal in games because it's either just fine in their opinion and there's no need or not everybody believes in marriage at all so they leave open to interpretation. Kind of like how Dumbledore was only suspected of being gay until J.K. Rowling confirmed he was and one of the responses she received was that she should have made that clear in the books, that she was hiding it (so those against it felt duped) or not declaring proudly (and thus behaving as though she thought being gay was shameful). Her response to this was to ask why Dumbledore's sexuality mattered when addressing it didn't fit the story at all and that she didn't feel it needed addressing, that no one expects this of straight characters and she wanted to portray Dumbledore as the kindly old wizard he was rather than focus on his orientation because that didn't matter. So I guess my point was that maybe the devs' mindset about it was kind of like that.
I'm guessing here, but I think Bioware hasn't done so because there could be real-world backlash from consumers over it. In a way, they'd be directly endorsing s/s marriage. As a company that could have unpleasant ramifications. It's one thing to tentatively broach s/s relationships but showing s/s couples in their games as married/getting married might be more than they want to tackle at this point. For Bioware, it could be that there are enough in the consumer base who complain about s/s options and flirtations as it is. It may also be that EA has restricted Bioware from going too far, lest they be associated with social awareness interests that they don't want to participate in right now.
Meh, the ship has already sailed with the inclusion of gay options to begin with. And EA is relatively gay friendly compared to other companies.
Marriage is overrated.
What I want is the inclusion of divorce and a PC lawyer class. All shall tremble before my dreaded power then 
This whole S/S marriage thing is a thing in the US so I get that it occupies people's thoughts and time, but keep in mind that despite EA's ownership Bioware is Canadian and staffed as such, and marriage equality has been an obvious and universally welcome (pretty much) change here since the early 2000s, and the push toward substantive equal rights was well under way in the 90s.
True. I can only consider this from my perspective. We are moving toward marriage equality here - though with a lot of kicking and screaming from opponents. :/
Marriage includes certain civil rights that should be available to all people.
I don't know about that.
They make appearances at some of the major LGBT parades in Europe and North America. I doubt they would shy away from allowing Bioware to tackle those issues.
That's really cool! I did not know that!
I'm not happy with the current situation of not being able to marry the LI I want or not even ever have any 'no sex until marriage' options, so no I would not say this is striking a happy medium.
I should clarify that I'm only trying to figure out why Bioware hasn't made a clear declaration of marriage equality in-game when s/s relationships don't seem that unusual, not that I agree with the representation thus far. An example would be Wade and Herren. They aren't stated to be married (unless that was clarified somewhere and I missed it?) but many people do see them as married. A hetero Warden can marry in one outcome of DAO but a gay or lesbian Warden can't. So far, the only reason we've been given for this is that marriages are political in Thedas as there's a need for heirs. I can accept this for important officials, such as Alistair, even if I don't agree with it. But it makes no sense to me for the usual people. At first I thought it was perhaps corporate fear that kept Bioware from allowing s/s marriages but as Imano de Tafalla pointed out EA has shown their support of the LGBTQ community so it seems unlikely that's the reason. So if that's not it, then what? Have they stayed away from it due to foreign consumer bases (like the U.S.) and their bias? Or just haven't considered it? (Which I find unlikely) Then I thought: perhaps think thought heavily implying s/s marriage without stating it directly was a good workaround. It's not a happy medium I like but I do wonder if they thought it would do for the time being.
Edit: I feel I have to add that I thought I lost my previous post. So sorry for the similar comments, everyone. 
There was gay marriage in ME3?
I'm pretty sure Cortez was married.
What I want is the inclusion of divorce and a PC lawyer class. All shall tremble before my dreaded power then
Elder One, you are found in violation of the Truce of Monfert, paragraph 3, section A, subsection ii. You are hereby ordered to withdraw to your home in the Fade until a court is convened no more than 30 days from now. If court has not yet been convened you may submit a formal request to a reigning monarch, carbon copied to the Inquisition. Failure to comply can result in fines up to, and exceeding 300 sovereigns, loss of Fade-tearing rights, and not least of all, me kicking your ass to the Golden City and back.
There was gay marriage in ME3?
I'm pretty sure Cortez was married.
The big difference is that marriage on Earth in a few hundred years is about love. Where as marriage in Thedas is about making children.
I should clarify that I'm only trying to figure out why Bioware hasn't made a clear declaration of marriage equality in-game when s/s relationships don't seem that unusual, not that I agree with the representation thus far. An example would be Wade and Herren. They aren't stated to be married (unless that was clarified somewhere and I missed it?) but many people do see them as married. A hetero Warden can marry in one outcome of DAO but a gay or lesbian Warden can't. So far, the only reason we've been given for this is that marriages are political in Thedas as there's a need for heirs. I can accept this for important officials, such as Alistair, even if I don't agree with it. But it makes no sense to me for the usual people. At first I thought it was perhaps corporate fear that kept Bioware from allowing s/s marriages but as Imano de Tafalla pointed out EA has shown their support of the LGBTQ community so it seems unlikely that's the reason. So if that's not it, then what? Have they stayed away from due to foreign consumer bases? Or just haven't considered it? (Which I find unlikely) Then I thought: perhaps think thought heavily implying s/s marriage without stating it directly was a good workaround. It's not a happy medium I like but I do wonder if they thought it would do for the time being.
I think marriage equality is a thing that's difficult to integrate with a purely medieval society, or at least a society that's drawing a lot of influence from medieval fiction, because there's no good resource. So I think part of the problem that Bioware has to tackle is how exactly to get their setting to work. Nobles, presumably, will still need M/F marriages for heirs. Elves and dwarves are subject to serious population related concerns. Humans are really the only ones who are free from constraints enough for married S/S life.
Look at how Bioware struggles with incorporating gender equality, and defaults many times to cultural assumptions about gender that shouldn't exist in a world where there is no history of (religious-informed) segregation of genders into different roles or aspects of society.
Marriage is overrated.
This, I don't even desire this in life, not too pushed about it in the DA universe, just a big meh to me.
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