I brought him along after Rivalmancing him, and I got no such dialogue (as I recall) and I'm pretty sure Legacy doesn't understand the difference between during and after Act 3 (Anders is fretting over Meredith, and i don't think he's worried she's coming back to life)
Ah pity =/
I don't recall anything about her taking Donnic's last name. Vallen was Wesley's surname.To me the most obvious example of marrying for love is Aveline and Donnic. She, his SUPERIOR, even takes his last name.
Nope, I didn't make it up. I don't see how it is biphobic. I also don't see how one bisexual man on this thread would be able to speak for all bisexuals, but there it is. There was a flurry of activity on bisexual erasure I was reading about, and this was part of it. I don't see why it would be so hard to believe; it is easier and more socially acceptable to be in a heterosexual relationship, there are way more possibilities to do so. Hetero relationships also allow marriage in every state and the ability to procreate.
Bisexual men exist outside the United States. They exist, for example, in places like Canada, where we could marry other men and adopt children. It's arguable whether a same-sex relationship is any less socially acceptable here.
I think its more based on social status. As for king's and queens the need to produce an Heir is paramount. The same with I would assume Nobles. As for the common folk I would say its not that big of an issue, but I'm sure more parents would want to see grandchildren.
I think its more based on social status. As for king's and queens the need to produce an Heir is paramount. The same with I would assume Nobles. As for the common folk I would say its not that big of an issue, but I'm sure more parents would want to see grandchildren.
gotta have someone to work the fields while you grow old into your 30's
My point was that some of their base has grown enough to be represented, even though they're the minority and that trying include every minority might turn off the majority of their base. There's only so much minority representation the market as a whole will (grudgingly) accept.
I'm sorry you can't play the way you wish to. It sucks not being able to fully roleplay the way you want.
I think Sebastian was the closest thing to your stated preference but he wanted a sexless marriage entirely, not just to wait until after marriage so I guess it's really not suitable to your needs any more than the rest. Unfortunately, it's not common enough for Bioware to see a need to include it.
Story of my life as a Bioware fan.
And yeah, I understand why they do or do not have certain things like more orientations or lifestyle choices, but it hurts just the same.
My point was that some of their base has grown enough to be represented, even though they're the minority and that trying include every minority might turn off the majority of their base. There's only so much minority representation the market as a whole will (grudgingly) accept.
I'm sorry you can't play the way you wish to. It sucks not being able to fully roleplay the way you want.
Is it specifically stated that "chaste" means "sexless?" Because according to the original definition (which the Chantry's closest irl counterpart still uses) "chaste" means "sexually proper," which doesn't necessarily mean that there's no sex happening at all considering that the two are married to each other. Nor does a marriage in which there's no sex happening make any sense according to the Word Of Gaider I previously linked to that says marriages are specifically meant as something that produces children. (Which is also pretty close to the Catholic Church's doctrine.)
what defines "proper"?Is it specifically stated that "chaste" means "sexless?" Because according to the original definition (which the Chantry's closest irl counterpart still uses) "chaste" means "sexually proper," which doesn't necessarily mean that there's no sex happening at all considering that the two are married to each other.
what defines "proper"?
Missionary 
what defines "proper"?
It probably means that they are married, and have sex only with the intent of having children. Sex for fun was very frowned upon, though I have my doubts Thedas is the same way.
That's my guess. <shrug>
ah boring but gets the job done i guessMissionary
Is it specifically stated that "chaste" means "sexless?" Because according to the original definition (which the Chantry's closest irl counterpart still uses) "chaste" means "sexually proper," which doesn't necessarily mean that there's no sex happening at all considering that the two are married to each other. Nor does a marriage in which there's no sex happening make any sense according to the Word Of Gaider I previously linked to that says marriages are specifically meant as something that produces children. (Which is also pretty close to the Catholic Church's doctrine.)
Sebastian took vows, I believe.There is no sex period. Besides, the way Carver talks about it, it sounds like more than just only having sex the "proper" way.
what defines "proper"?
As far as the Chantry goes, I'm not sure. I'm going to guess that it means that it only happens between man and wife, which is part of the definition of its irl counterpart. (The irl counterpart forbids any contraceptive measure apart from just not having sex while the woman has an ova in the right place to cause pregnancy, which might or might not also be part of the Chantry's teachings.)
Sebastian took vows, I believe.There is no sex period. Besides, the way Carver talks about it, it sounds like more than just only having sex the "proper" way.
That doesn't seem to make sense in the context of the Chantry's teachings on the purpose of marriage as Gaider describes it, but fair enough. (Edit: Though on the other hand, now that I've actually looked up Carver's dialogue it seems like Carver's aware of the discrepancy too.)
Sebastian took vows, I believe.There is no sex period. Besides, the way Carver talks about it, it sounds like more than just only having sex the "proper" way.
Wait so Templar vows include not having sex? Then why on earth would Aveline have a Templar husband?
Wait so Templar vows include not having sex? Then why on earth would Aveline have a Templar husband?
From what I can gather it's "no sex outside of marriage," not that they can't have sex at all.
Sebastian isn't a Templar, though.
Sebastian isn't a Templar, though.
I agree. Being a Chantry priest comes with a completely different set of values versus Templars. I'd imagine sex isn't banned to Templars, I merely think they are advised to be more conservative about it.
Wait so Templar vows include not having sex? Then why on earth would Aveline have a Templar husband?
As Br3admax points out, Sebastian isn't a Templar. However, I did want to ask why Hawke would have a brother husband if brothers weren't allowed to have sex.
Apparently, Sebastian is just that great of a person, from what I've seen of the Friendmance. Rivalmance Hawke convinces him to go back to Starkhaven as Prince and renounce his vows. But they don't sleep with each other because they need to be married first for Sebastian to be happy.
So what I'm saying is, if Thedas doesn't have that immense history of misogyny the way we do, would marriage have evolved as something that represents commitment between two equals... and not just a baby factory for a powerful man?
Because if so we would see husbands and husbands / wives and wives on Thedas, and we don't
I got the impression marriage in Ferelden and the Free Marches is expected to be between a woman and a man. Doesn't mean it can't be a commitment between equals though.
I would say that from what we've seen so far of society in Dragon Age, that it has a ways to go before same-sex marriages can come into play.
I agree. Being a Chantry priest comes with a completely different set of values versus Templars. I'd imagine sex isn't banned to Templars, I merely think they are advised to be more conservative about it.
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