Even without Citadel DLC you spend like an hour saying goodbye to people on Earth.
Yeah, but I didn't really feel it as much there. Probably because you're already on the last stretch of the journey, whereas Citadel is your last celebration as a team together before that, and it's not just your current party, it's almost everyone you've played alongside in the past. It helps that they're all interacting together and not just saying "g'bye Shep".
Thanks for the JohnP MEHEM link.
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This feeling won't go away OP. You will be empty inside for a long time.
also blast from the past for you to embrace anger, saddness, inner devastation and helplessness (warning: 4k pages)
This feeling won't go away OP. You will be empty inside for a long time.
also blast from the past for you to embrace anger, saddness, inner devastation and helplessness (warning: 4k pages)
I remember that thread. And even since it was started and written, I get the feeling that BioWare isn't listening, and hasn't learned. EC was a token gesture - an admittance that they screwed up the ending of the most amazing series - but it didn't fix the real issue. A good deal of the fans felt mistreated. All of the fun and joy of playing in the ME Galaxy was reduced to a small conversation with a Reaper Godkid who looks like a kid I saw in the beginning of the game. How can such an amazing team of writers come up with something so.... bad?
They wrote themselves into a conundrum with those ending choices, causing a divergence. Will ME: Next consider my choices from ME3? Is everyone a Borg? Is everyone dead? Is Shepard a Reaper? Did EDI and the Geth die, stabbed in the back by Shepard? If all of these are not considered, then well, its not my ME galaxy, now is it? No, its Mac Walters ME Galaxy - and that scares me the most.
Even with all of this time having gone by, and N7 day pulling up right around the corner I wonder of BioWare understands how many people have walked away - and how many more are willing to walk away even now.
When N7 day arrives is when i think we'll see who stays and who goes, thats assuming we get some critical game information. 
Maybe there will be evidence of synthesis if thats what you chose, or maybe Earth is reduced to a lifeless rock and small pockets of humanity are stranded out there in the galaxy, maybe the Quarians rebuild the Geth heck maybe Shepard lives and is far off living with his or her lover. The problem here is, at least from my perspective is too many unknowns, everyone's play through will be unique so accounting for every possibility that one could have gotten to by the end of ME3 to carry over into the next game is a massive task, which i still trust BioWare will accomplish in some way, no matter how big or small.
Assuming that such a task is in their plans for the game.
Ahh the waiting game, such fun! 
Which is why nobody from the Shepard Trilogy should return.....
Even with all of this time having gone by, and N7 day pulling up right around the corner I wonder of BioWare understands how many people have walked away - and how many more are willing to walk away even now.
I don't think the relentless and intellectually disingenuous critics understand how easily people will be pulled in with a shiny new game.
But the theater of it all is still amusing.
I don't think the relentless and intellectually disingenuous critics understand how easily people will be pulled in with a shiny new game.
But the theater of it all is still amusing.
I'm glad you are enjoying the performance. Time will tell, as will profits.
It'll profit just fine.
It'll profit just fine.
Likely yes, but could profits be maximized? I mean, this is BioWare we are talking about - they can't lose money the way I see it.
Likely yes, but could profits be maximized?
Don't tempt them.
I hated the ME3 ending as well, and found most of ME3 pretty lacking in some aspects, but I can confirm I will be purchasing ME4 as soon as it goes below my maximum price threshold. I liked ME2 so much and I liked the majority of the characters enough to want to be able to hope that it'll return to those glory days.
Likely yes, but could profits be maximized? I mean, this is BioWare we are talking about - they can't lose money the way I see it.
I'm pretty sure they won't lose money, in terms that they'll spend less on development than they'll get from sales. Maximizing profits is a whole another question and will more than make up for the development costs (won't be the case IMO).
I'm pretty sure they won't lose money, in terms that they'll spend less on development than they'll get from sales. Maximizing profits is a whole another question and will more than make up for the development costs (won't be the case IMO).
Ahhh, now I see your and Dreamgazer's points. Well put, and you are both right.
Of course it will make money, because it needs to make money. ME2 sold more games then ME3. You don't want part 2 of a trilogy to outsell part 3, they should have been reversed, which means, financially speaking, ME3 was a flop, it didn't make nearly as much as was expected. Will EA and Bioware recoup some of that lost profit? We'll have to wait and see.
Yeah, ME3 wasn't a "flop". Its sales pace is almost identical to that of ME2, and it's outsold ME1.
And that's not considering the fact that a trilogy collection was released.
I wonder what Bioware will do if sales, for the next ME game, don't do well for whatever reason?
I wonder what Bioware will do if sales, for the next ME game, don't do well for whatever reason?
Interesting question. Perhaps they will listen. As stated earlier in the thread though, the shiny will always win. I think that sadly, sales will do just fine.
I wonder what Bioware will do if sales, for the next ME game, don't do well for whatever reason?
What can they do? The game's already released. At most they just won't make any DLCs and future Mass Effect games which will be sad.
Of course it will make money, because it needs to make money. ME2 sold more games then ME3. You don't want part 2 of a trilogy to outsell part 3, they should have been reversed, which means, financially speaking, ME3 was a flop, it didn't make nearly as much as was expected. Will EA and Bioware recoup some of that lost profit? We'll have to wait and see.
ME3 was no flop seeing as how it made a good profit.
ME3 was no flop seeing as how it made a good profit.
Unfortunately, a good profit has nothing to do with whether a game is a hit or a flop. Take the difference in sales between ME1 and ME2 (both game units and DLC units) and use that to get the percentage of player growth between the two games. This is a baseline increase. Then use this baseline to forecast total sales for the next game (ME3) for it to be considered a success. Put simply, if 5 people bought ME1 and 10 people bought ME2 you would expect about 17 people to buy ME3. Then use this figure to forecast total revenue. This would be a very successful game if 17 people bought it. However, if you forecast this kind of sales and only 11 people buy the game your forecast is out the window and you have a flop. This doesn't mean you don't have a good profit, but it is no where near the money you were expecting to make. A flop is not defined by how much money a game makes, but by how much money it was both predicted and expected to make.
Unfortunately, a good profit has nothing to do with whether a game is a hit or a flop. Take the difference in sales between ME1 and ME2 (both game units and DLC units) and use that to get the percentage of player growth between the two games. This is a baseline increase. Then use this baseline to forecast total sales for the next game (ME3) for it to be considered a success. Put simply, if 5 people bought ME1 and 10 people bought ME2 you would expect about 17 people to buy ME3. Then use this figure to forecast total revenue. This would be a very successful game if 17 people bought it. However, if you forecast this kind of sales and only 11 people buy the game your forecast is out the window and you have a flop. This doesn't mean you don't have a good profit, but it is no where near the money you were expecting to make. A flop is not defined by how much money a game makes, but by how much money it was both predicted and expected to make.
dreamgazer Clearly explained why ME3 is no flop.Unfortunately, a good profit has nothing to do with whether a game is a hit or a flop. Take the difference in sales between ME1 and ME2 (both game units and DLC units) and use that to get the percentage of player growth between the two games. This is a baseline increase. Then use this baseline to forecast total sales for the next game (ME3) for it to be considered a success. Put simply, if 5 people bought ME1 and 10 people bought ME2 you would expect about 17 people to buy ME3. Then use this figure to forecast total revenue. This would be a very successful game if 17 people bought it. However, if you forecast this kind of sales and only 11 people buy the game your forecast is out the window and you have a flop. This doesn't mean you don't have a good profit, but it is no where near the money you were expecting to make. A flop is not defined by how much money a game makes, but by how much money it was both predicted and expected to make.
It's safe to say overall ME3 was successful.Yeah, ME3 wasn't a "flop". Its sales pace is almost identical to that of ME2, and it's outsold ME1.
And that's not considering the fact that a trilogy collection was released.
ME3 was no flop seeing as how it made a good profit.
The flood of returns and exchanges after the backlash hit probably didn't help though
The flood of returns and exchanges after the backlash hit probably didn't help though
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