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[Excella Gionne]

Although Indoctrination is undetectable, I'm more surprised that the refugees were not quarantined. I don't listen to Javik enough, but if what Kabooooom said was right, refugees would have been the number 1 suspects.

[themikefest]

I do believe the asari councilor knew about the beacon, not the one I killed in ME1, but her replacement. When talking with her before Thessia, she is nervous, looking over her shoulder to see if anyone is watching and she mentions that she and the asari don't want to interfere with the balance of power. Meaning she didn't want her species to lose its number 1 ranking, but is forced to reveal the beacon by the reapers threatening her homeworld.

 

The thessia mission is the worst mission in the trilogy. It started the moment Liara says, thats my homeworld, I have to be there until Shepard gets back to the galaxy map to have the Normandy go to another mission.

[von uber]

The worst mission of the trilogy? Blimey.

[Excella Gionne]

Thessia, Rannoch, and Earth are worst. Now, let me travel back to the Omega 4 Relay upon Aria's request to snatch her some goodies from over there and return.

[KaiserShep]

Am I the only one that still loves the Rannoch mission? Sure, there's some nonsense here and there, but that's not much different from a lot of missions throughout the trilogy. Heck, if anything, the Collector attack on the abandoned Normandy makes me scratch my head at the logic more than anything on Rannoch.

[Oni Changas]

Let's not forget that it was the asari that failed to reveal the artifact until the reapers were at their door. Only then, crying like little babies, that they decide it would be a good  idea to reveal the artifact. Idiots. But of course my femshep has to mope for these idiots for their own stupidity.

 

Doesn't matter if the Catalyst would be revealed at Chronos.. If Cerberus was able to break through to know what the Catalyst is, the Alliance could've done the same thing. It could've been revealed earlier if the idiots revealed the thing earlier. Again, because of the asari being idots,  it cost a lot of  lives that could've/would've been saved.

 

So its ok that they don't show up to the summit? Really? That tells me they didn't care about the other species and didn't want to make any effort to ally with as many species as possible to help stop the reapers. Idiots. They only cared about one thing. Staying number 1 in the galaxy. Even the idiot asari councilor says it. They don't want to interfere with the balance of power. What a dumba**. 

It's also uncharacteristic of them to do so. It'd make sense for turians more than asari to sit that out. Asari are shown to be compromisers and peacemakers and supposedly have "more advanced technology" (this is only told to us, not shown). A big problem with ME3 is their lack of show AND tell. They just tell us things yet we're shown the opposite.

[Excella Gionne]

Am I the only one that still loves the Rannoch mission? Sure, there's some nonsense here and there, but that's not much different from a lot of missions throughout the trilogy. Heck, if anything, the Collector attack on the abandoned Normandy makes me scratch my head at the logic more than anything on Rannoch.

Did Shep turn to many pieces after he/she fell on the planet they go spaced into?

[KaiserShep]

Heh, I meant the second Collector attack, when the entire squad clown-cars into the Kodiak.

[Grieving Natashina]

Heh, I meant the second Collector attack, when the entire squad clown-cars into the Kodiak.

For me, personally, that was the dumbest moment in the entire series.  More so than the ME3 endings.  More so than Thessia.   More than the "the geth never saw quarian faces," excuse.  Even more than dying in the beginning of ME2 and being forced to work for Cerberus.

 

It irks me more than any other part of the series and there is some giant plot holes in some parts you could drive the Mako through.  Out of all of them, that moment made the least amount of sense.  It was obviously just a set up to get the player to hurry to the End Game and (possibly) save the crew.  It drove me up the wall, and it's the only part of the series where I say my immersion was gone until I was back in combat.

 

Sorry for the side-rant, but as a newcomer to the series, that just irritates the hell out of me.  

[themikefest]

Heh, I meant the second Collector attack, when the entire squad clown-cars into the Kodiak.

I'm still amazed that 12 squadmates plus Shepard were able to fit in the shuttle

[SporkFu]

Am I the only one that still loves the Rannoch mission? Sure, there's some nonsense here and there, but that's not much different from a lot of missions throughout the trilogy. Heck, if anything, the Collector attack on the abandoned Normandy makes me scratch my head at the logic more than anything on Rannoch.

*Raises hand* I like the Rannoch mission. In terms of gameplay, approaching the base, climbing up the outside, fighting geth the whole way with that frustrating -- yet cool -- step-to-the-right-dodge-move of theirs, and the three amigos, who were so satisfying to finally get past on insanity. Shep by herself, on foot with a laser pointer, against a reaper, and then ending a three-hundred year old war. Sometimes you just gotta throw logic out the window and embrace the nonsense. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Am I the only one that still loves the Rannoch mission? Sure, there's some nonsense here and there, but that's not much different from a lot of missions throughout the trilogy. Heck, if anything, the Collector attack on the abandoned Normandy makes me scratch my head at the logic more than anything on Rannoch.

 

The little contrivances are only part of the problem. I think the main problem people (or at least me) have with the mission is that it repaints what was a grey and complex event into clear black and white; the Quarians are overly vilified and the Geth are made out to be pure innocents -- neither of which are the case. What makes it worse is the lack of subtlety. Characterization is thrown out the window, a Quarian defense is rarely given, and the dialogue prompts are usually a choice between space racist/non-space racist. The final damage is that the Geth are now only considered alive when the become just like everyone else.

 

And the Geth Dreadnought probably has the worst art direction in the series (seriously BioWare? max blue saturation with blue enemies?).

[Display Name Owner]

It never really bothered me because I don't think of it as Shepard being upset over Thessia and the Asari. I always interpreted it as Shepard just being generally frustrated at failing at a crucial step and losing the component to Cerberus. That said, it would have been nice to have the option to express Shepard's frustration by directing it towards the Asari who wasted time in not revealing the artefact sooner, instead of having a go at Joker for a joke that was actually a little bit funny.

[Barquiel]

Am I the only one that still loves the Rannoch mission? Sure, there's some nonsense here and there, but that's not much different from a lot of missions throughout the trilogy. Heck, if anything, the Collector attack on the abandoned Normandy makes me scratch my head at the logic more than anything on Rannoch.

From what I've seen in the various "favorite missions/things you liked in ME3" threads, it seems that Rannoch and Tuchanka are generally considered the best parts of the game (excluding DLC).

[Jorji Costava]

Moving back to the original topic, I've always felt that the best location to have that low point of the story would have been the Citadel. Unlike Thessia or Earth, we have a history with the Citadel as a location going back three games, so its loss would have been much more of a punch to the gut than either of those places. Plus, the Citadel belongs to no one race, so losing the Citadel reinforces the sense that this moment is a defeat for the galaxy, not just one species.

 

Lastly, the Citadel has been something of a safe haven for the player, comparatively unaffected by the Reaper war, so it makes sense that when you're trying to ratchet up the tension and increase the sense of risk, you take that safe zone away from the player. The only concern I can see is that you'd probably have to get rid of the Citadel coup mission to avoid a sense of redundancy, but honestly, that mission was best left on the cutting room floor regardless.

 

As far as the whole issue of the Asari government's handling of the Thessia beacon, part of the dissonance is the result of the fact that Javik's revelation about the beacon is available only if you have the "From Ashes" DLC, whereas the aftermath of the mission has to make sense even if you don't have that DLC or never brought Javik with you.

 

With development time and resources as limited as they must have been, the developers probably decided that from a cost-benefit point of view, it wasn't worth it to make separate versions of that conversation with Tevos based on whether or not you brought Javik with you. Not saying it was the right decision from a writing point of view; just pointing to some of the realities of game development that likely led to it. Maybe that's just another reason why "From Ashes" should not have been sold separately, though.

 

EDIT: Added some clarification, changed formatting.

[Excella Gionne]

Heh, I meant the second Collector attack, when the entire squad clown-cars into the Kodiak.

Lol! That part was funny. So Shepard can take all 12 squadmates with him/her, but can't when we're playing? I imagine that some of our squadmate would have died if they didn't come with us too.

[Han Shot First]

From what I've seen in the various "favorite missions/things you liked in ME3" threads, it seems that Rannoch and Tuchanka are generally considered the best parts of the game (excluding DLC).

 

While both arcs were executed well, I think they are also fan favorites in part because Rannoch and Tuchanka had several missions devoted to them. Part of the problem with the Palaven & Thessia missions is that both are one-and-done.

[von uber]

I have massive issues with the asari not attending the summit at the start. It's completely out of character for that culture based on everything that has gone before.
If anything they would set up the meeting then spend ages looking for more evidence and not making hasty moves (whilst aethyta tears her hair out in the background).

[themikefest]

I would have the Thessia mission in place of the coup and coup in place of Thessia. It would explain why Cerberus wanted to take control of the station. The only problem is Ashely/Kaidan would be on the ship for 2 missions before going to Earth.

[The Master C]

The reason Shepard was in a bad, bad mood was not because of losing Thessia but because he/she lost the Prothean V.I to Cerberus. That V.I had the key answer to finishing the Crucible. Only Liara wept her blue bum over Thessia. No h8 Liara!

[Han Shot First]

I have massive issues with the asari not attending the summit at the start. It's completely out of character for that culture based on everything that has gone before.
If anything they would set up the meeting then spend ages looking for more evidence and not making hasty moves (whilst aethyta tears her hair out in the background).

 

I think the Asari not taking part in the summit could have worked if it had been fleshed out more and given some backstory. 

 

Say for example the Asari decline to take part in exchange for the Salarians providing their fleets to help defend Asari space. The Salarian Dalatrass makes an offer they can't refuse basically, while the Asari then are engaged in realpolitik. It might also make some military sense for the Salarians, since the longer it takes Thessia to fall the longer they delay an attack on their own homeworld.

 

The description of space battles in the Parnitha system could have described joint Asari/Salarian fleets taking part to reflect that.

[DuskWanderer]

The reason Shepard was in a bad, bad mood was not because of losing Thessia but because he/she lost the Prothean V.I to Cerberus. That V.I had the key answer to finishing the Crucible. Only Liara wept her blue bum over Thessia. No h8 Liara!

 

While Shep was certainly upset about the Crucible, conversations with Joker and the others reveal it's about Thessia and the oh-so-lovely asari. they, and their supporters, need to get over themselves. The asari screwed the galaxy because of their selfishness, and we're supposed to forgive them because breasts. 

[SporkFu]

While Shep was certainly upset about the Crucible, conversations with Joker and the others reveal it's about Thessia and the oh-so-lovely asari. they, and their supporters, need to get over themselves. The asari screwed the galaxy because of their selfishness, and we're supposed to forgive them because breasts.

Speaking for myself, that's as good a reason as any 

 

j/k 

[DuskWanderer]

Speaking for myself, that's as good a reason as any 

 

j/k 

Give me flexibility any day...