ill never underestimate a qunari... tal-vashoth or otherwise but from what ive seen is not believable that they would fight. Last time they were pushed to a standstillI quite strongly doubt a focused and efficient people like the Qunari would be showing all their cards prior to whatever invasion they're likely planning. The biggest mistake you can make about an enemy is underestimating them, and while you may see Sten and Arishok's warning as empty threats, I'd wager to say that the Qunari have a hell of a lot more Intel on the numerous nations they're scouting around then any of said nations have on them. When it comes down to it, men like the Arishok were expendable - a necessary sacrifice - in comparison to whatever information his men took back with them when they finally left Kirkwall. They are learning about the rest of the world, and they know the power of such knowledge.
I think when that invasion does occur, it will be brutal.
Qunari Invasion
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If the Qunari take me prisoner, I hope they take me there.
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Among those who know the Qunari, they speak of a renewed conquest not as a speculation but as certainty. Talk to Sten at the end of Dragon Age Origins, or Fenris after you give him the Sword of Mercy in DA2. They will come, it is only a matter of time.
The only thing that stopped the Qunari advance earlier was the united power of the Circles which served to nullify their technological advantage in canons and exlosives. Dragon Age 2 did a horrible job of conveying the strengths of the Qunari, who were reprsented in-game as barely clad spear-wielding barbarians rather than the heavily armored and dauntless warriors more reminiscent of Sten in full plate.
Then we get ridiculous illustrations of the Qunari through the Dragon Age comic "Those Who Speak" where our Sten has been promoted to Arishok but wears the exact same outfit (or lack thereof) as the old one who had to swim ashore to Kirkwall and then their priestess Rasaan (the first female Kossith represented) is only clad in what was earlier specified to be a type of bra. Not that it did not make conversion to the Qun more ameable to me....
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Anyways - Qunari Invasion!
They despise demons and mages perhaps more so than even the Templars, and the crap that is going down on the mainland is just further proof in their eyes that they are right to do so. An outbreak of abominations is very unlikely to happen in Par Vollen because of the harsh and stringent measures towards mages promoted by the Qun, which certainly helped spur their technological advancement but left their armies vulnerable to enemy battle mages.
If Thedas is on the vurge of being overrun they will take matters into their own hands and invade. Their armies will be seen as liberators by the peoples of Thedas, who will flock to them for protection. Whether that would be enough by then is unlikely however. Regardless, it certainly won't even be more than another decade before they strike, mark my words.
As for those who say they haven't been able to beat the Imperium, I have another theory. A quote from the Arishok:
- "We lose nothing when weakness abandons the Qun."
This "war" with the Imperium might just be a way for the Qunari to maitnain battle ready forces - it's all just one big skirmish in their eyes. Food for thought...
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you really hate qunari dont you lol*playful smirk* fortunatly i wouldnt mind a good fightThe day the Qunari invade Thedas again is the day the Qunari state signs it's own death warrant.
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The day the Qunari invade Thedas again is the day the Qunari state signs it's own death warrant.
Thedas couldn't do it before, why would they be able to do it this time?
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Let them come. 'A good war unites an empire.'-Grand Duke Gaspard De Chalons. In this case it would unite humanity under a common banner.
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you really hate qunari dont you lol*playful smirk* fortunatly i wouldnt mind a good fight
They can't win.
It's about like a mage victory.
You cannot undo a thousand years of fear and the tyranny of magic with martial action anymore then you can force a continent of diverse culture accept foreign rule by an alien ideology.
The Qunari will never achieve their aim because they will always be the foreign invaders.
The same threat and nothing more.
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ill never underestimate a qunari... tal-vashoth or otherwise but from what ive seen is not believable that they would fight. Last time they were pushed to a standstill
WHy would it be unbelievable? They were a single group that took half a continent with literally no knowledge of who or what they'd find, now they've rebuilt their strength with very little to effect their recovery and have studied their opponents since the moment they arrived, now thedas is in chaos and even more seperated than before. Now is the perfect time
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The day the Qunari invade Thedas again is the day the Qunari state signs it's own death warrant.
How so? Thedas is even worse off now than when it beat back the Qunari almost 100 years ago.
Orlais is fractious even under Empress Celene, Fereldan is recovering from a Blight & civil war, Antiva is still a decentralized state thanks to the assassins present and all of this before the Free Marches and the rest of Thedas became embroiled in a mass conflict between Mages and Templars. Speaking of the Free Marches, lets not forget that one of it's main cities, Kirkwall, was easily taken by storm by only a few hundred Qunari soldiers and some elven supporters despite having a large guard force and a massive detachment of Templars on hand. When the Grey Warden Stroud warned that this Qunari attack would ignite war with the Free Marches, I was simply underwhelmed by the notion considering the pathetic display the city had shown in its own defense. Granted this is partly (make that largely) Bioware's fault because they could not be assed (I mean it, assed) to make big fight scenes to convey the scope of the struggle in Kirkwall. Meredith appearing with three templars was the best they could do.
What stops the Qunari from marching on Thedas once they bring the Imperium to heel? It's not impossible, and it certainly would make for a great story, but I doubt that even a failed invasion would leave the Qunari helpess.
The origional Qunari invasion did fail largely because they were undermined by rebellions in the lands they conquered. They stopped fighting largely due to the damage done to the Qunist populations of Rivain; if nothing else the Qunari have been shown to be very protective of their Viddathari (new converts). So they would either need a completely revamped military campaign (which seems the likely route), or a completely new tactic to gaining more land and followers.
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They can't win.
It's about like a mage victory.
You cannot undo a thousand years of fear and the tyranny of magic with martial action anymore then you can force a continent of diverse culture accept foreign rule by an alien ideology.
The Qunari will never achieve their aim because they will always be the foreign invaders.
The same threat and nothing more.
Lol by that logic, the spaniards should never have invaded south america, the US should never have invaded the rest of the mainland, and the vikings should never have invaded the british isles
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true but its possible in time for the magi. Agree with the qun assesmentThey can't win.
It's about like a mage victory.
You cannot undo a thousand years of fear and the tyranny of magic with martial action anymore then you can force a continent of diverse culture accept foreign rule by an alien ideology.
The Qunari will never achieve their aim because they will always be the foreign invaders.
The same threat and nothing more.
to me its a fact about blind zealtry they think in one doctrine humans think in wide ranges. Just cause they have cannnons doesnt mean they are superior overall. ImoWHy would it be unbelievable? They were a single group that took half a continent with literally no knowledge of who or what they'd find, now they've rebuilt their strength with very little to effect their recovery and have studied their opponents since the moment they arrived, now thedas is in chaos and even more seperated than before. Now is the perfect time
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Lol by that logic, the spaniards should never have invaded south america, the US should never have invaded the rest of the mainland, and the vikings should never have invaded the british isles
You deliberately misconstrue what I say it seems.
The Qunari aren't the colonials or Spanish they are continental invaders coming to spread their ideology.
They aren't doing it out of resources or greed but to convert.
They will fail because their goals.
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to me its a fact about blind zealtry they think in one doctrine humans think in wide ranges. Just cause they have cannnons doesnt mean they are superior overall. Imo
Militarily they are superior, they have discipline second to none, will second to none, and a dedication to military prowess that is unmatched. So yes cannons dont make them superior, its all their other strengths that do.
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You deliberately misconstrue what I say it seems.
The Qunari aren't the colonials or Spanish they are continental invaders coming to spread their ideology.
They aren't doing it out of resources or greed but to convert.
They will fail because their goals.
If they conquer, why would that goal fail? Those who choose to convert will join, those who oppose it will be forced to or die.
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like i said it was opinion i lack military knowledge despite having a family mostly involved in it. But i do know how morale works and how humans adapt to conflictMilitarily they are superior, they have discipline second to none, will second to none, and a dedication to military prowess that is unmatched. So yes cannons dont make them superior, its all their other strengths that do.
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The Qun? I'd say as long as the game has me leading the resistance and beat the living daylight out of the Qun, and we are able to shatter all that is dear to them, I say let's bring the horned idiots on!
They have the Qun, but Andraste, bride of the maker, died for us! They have cannons, once I am finished with DAI we have free mages again, unified under the one faith! They have spear-throwing bare-chested warriors? Let them cower before the power of combined arms: Mounted knights, footmen, archers, aided by battle-mages, and led by the faith: The Exalted March cometh for you...
But realistically speaking: As much as I dislike the Qun and all their behaviour, and would love to see them smashed, I am not so much interested in a game featuring this. I'd rather have another focus on the blight, or visit a land further away from the Qun's influence alltogether (Antiva? Navarra?). The only exception? If that game would have us with a focus on the Tevinter Imperium and their capital city...giving us the chance to either help a brutal, unloving, uncaring, ignorant, warmongering and totally evil empire ...or the Tevinter Imperium!
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If they conquer, why would that goal fail? Those who choose to convert will join, those who oppose it will be forced to or die.
It doesn't work that way in their own society.
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It doesn't work that way in their own society.
Um yes it does, if you dont convert, they "educate" you, but if you still insist on not joining, they force you to hard labor till death. So either they convert or die
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[...] they have discipline second to none, will second to none,
Examples of desertion in both Rivain and Kirkwall makes me question this.
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Examples of desertion in both Rivain and Kirkwall makes me question this.
Desertion of the outliers doesnt reflect the majority, we've seen their discipline time and time again, someone was willing to burn themself alive for their duty to the Qun, that feat should speak for itself
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suicide by madness is not something to be admiredDesertion of the outliers doesnt reflect the majority, we've seen their discipline time and time again, someone was willing to burn themself alive for their duty to the Qun, that feat should speak for itself
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suicide by madness is not something to be admired
Where was the madness?
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believing you must die for being different is madness imoWhere was the madness?
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Desertion of the outliers doesnt reflect the majority
A significant number Tal'Vashoth born from the force accompanying the Arishok himself? Doesn't speak very well of them.
we've seen their discipline time and time again,
We've also seen them waver just as many times.
someone was willing to burn themself alive for their duty to the Qun, that feat should speak for itself
And a runaway slave from Tevinter killed the very men who would have fought for his freedom in order to remain obedient to his master.
Of course, most people wouldn't cite that as an example of how extraordinary the culture of Tevinter is.
