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[Starscream723]

Having just watched this video (thanks for letting me know it existed, by the way) it looked to me like it was a simple "Discover Andrastian Landmarks" quest. It was next to some statue that probably had religious significance, and we were just... I dunno... labelling it with a "blue plaque". It's like recognising an old religious ruin as a place of historical significance, not going around sticking random fliers up everywhere that say "Have you let the Maker into your life?"

[10K]

If I get the chance I shall take Andrastianism to all courners of Thedas. All shall fall before the Divine!

May the Dread Wolf take your Divine!!! 

[Reznore57]

Oh I just find what you're all talking about in the video...

It's just landmark you claim for the Inquisition ,and you get some flavor text about the place.

There's no quest about spreading the Chant of Light.It seems like it tells the story of the exalted march on the elves.

 

Anyway there were also a landmark in another demo , and it was the same , the Inquisition claim the place , flavour text and that's it.

The one I saw was about Avaar , and I doubt the Inquisition is spreading the Avaar faith.

[CrimsonHead]

Yeah to me it seems like you just jam history lessons into the ground.

[fchopin]

I assumed the "stabbing something in the ground" had something to do with fast travel, like you mark a point where you can come back later. I could be wrong, of course.

Anyway, I doubt the game will force you into a religion, even if fictional. It's not Bioware's style.

That is also what I thought.

[Mirrman70]

so ummmmm doesn't the heraldry theme thing on that customization picture mean we can customize the heraldry of the inquisition? if so you don't necessarily have to use the Andrastian one... I mean you can be a Dalish elf after all....

[PhroXenGold]

Even if that particular quest involves advancing the interests of the Chantry, you can always just, you know, not do it...

[Ajna]

I intend to Dalish everything..

[Zered]

May the Dread Wolf take your Divine!!! 

[Giantdeathrobot]

As I understood it, it was a piece of lore. Not a cantice that the Inquisitor was chanting at the top of his/her voice. Plus, the quoted verse can be interpreted as ''yay, now my religion had advanced towards its goal'' or just easily as ''damn humans use their false god to excuse their warmongering ways''. It 100% retains the ambiguity to me.

 

Besides, I strongly doubt they would include the 4 races and force us to be Andrastian. We are probably going to deal with belief and religion a lot in this game, but I'm pretty certain the Inquisitor will be able to simply use his ''Herald of Andraste'' title to further his own ends.

[Herr Uhl]

so ummmmm doesn't the heraldry theme thing on that customization picture mean we can customize the heraldry of the inquisition? if so you don't necessarily have to use the Andrastian one... I mean you can be a Dalish elf after all....

 
In fact they directly stated that you could change the heraldry in the first Skyhold interview. To quote Cameron Lee
 

Skyhold can be customized to reflect what sort of Inquisition you're leading. You choose what to do with major parts of the castle such as towers and the courtyard as well as decorations like statues, windows, drapes, furniture, and even the heraldry your Inquisition forces will take into the world.

Whether that includes the stabbed eye, I don't know. But the pole that was put down in the video didn't have it. It looked like a half moon/eagle thing.

[Medhia_Nox]

I think this "might" be a slight overreaction to a topic the OP finds to be a sensitive one.

[Mornmagor]

It has been already established that you're not going to be forced to support or oppose the Chantry. You will have choices.

 

You can be herald of anything. If it's Andraste you want, so be it.

 

A Dalish, or Qunari, would not have to be herald of Andraste, not even for formalities.

 

You're worrying too much.

[Super Drone]

Meh. I'm not worried at all by this. That is, to say, I don't think that we'll be forced to play as an Andrastian if we don't want to. The folks at Bioware seem to be of the same stock as most people on these forums so I wouldn't count on religion being given its fair dues. If anything, they're setting things up for Andrastianism falling flat on its face.

 

That sounds like wishful thinking.

 

The Writer's seem to me to see the Chantry as nuanced and existing in shades of gray, a setting conceit used to show both the overwhelming good and twistedness that faith can evoke in people.  

 

It's fans that get all shrill and nerd-ragey and scream "CHANTRY BAD!!!!111!".  The writers possess perspective.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Yeah. Hopefully they don't force our character be an andrastarian. Don' see why a dalish elf would would give a damn.

[MetalGear312]

People whine about the damndest things.

[Super Drone]

Yeah. Hopefully they don't force our character be an andrastarian. Don' see why a dalish elf would would give a damn.

 

If they wanted to force people to be Andrastian they wouldn't let you play a Dalish to begin with.

 

But just because your PC doesn't have to be Andrastian doesn't mean you get to force everyone else to abandon their faith. The Inquisition is still going to be made up of a LOT of Andrastians.

[ElitePinecone]

The inquisition insignia is itself a combination of two Andrastean symbols

 

Yes.

 

And they're just historical symbols, not an indication of allegiance. They've said 4553436997 times that the Inquisition is not taking orders from the Chantry.

 

This is an awfully low-priority thing to get so worked up about, I feel.

[ElitePinecone]

so ummmmm doesn't the heraldry theme thing on that customization picture mean we can customize the heraldry of the inquisition? if so you don't necessarily have to use the Andrastian one... I mean you can be a Dalish elf after all....

 

The Inquisition heraldry will stay the same, but we can change the banners at Skyhold to be a bunch of different insignia. 

 

That said, the Inquisition is reusing something that's over a thousand years old. It has historical significance and power even if the modern Inquisition has nothing to do with the Chantry.

[Herr Uhl]

The Inquisition heraldry will stay the same, but we can change the banners at Skyhold to be a bunch of different insignia. 
 
That said, the Inquisition is reusing something that's over a thousand years old. It has historical significance and power even if the modern Inquisition has nothing to do with the Chantry.

But Cameron said that we can change the heraldry (that your forces take into the world at that) during the Skyhold interview. I've not been following development that closely the last month, has there been something to contradict what he said?

[MasterPrudent]

This exchange occurred on twitter on August 18:

@User

@PatrickWeekes If this has been asked I'm sorry, but will all inquisitors be called the Herald of Andraste or will title depend on the PC?

 

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes

@User That's sort of a spoiler. Rest assured, I believe we handle it in a way devout Andrastians and atheists alike can take.

 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I'm with the OP on this. The following is my way to deal with it RP wise, maybe it can help you too OP

If you are forced to be a chantry puppet at any level, this is a great way to go about it:

The Godfrey way

 

Pretend to be acting 100% on behalf of the chantry in allegiance while secretly sabotaging the reputation of the chantry. Be super zealous and slaughter everyone and everything that opposes you. Remember, the maker wills it! 

Replace God with Maker in this video for a good display of fanaticism.
 

Proceed to embrace the title "Herald of Andraste" while murdering as many innocent people you can. Free and side with as many villainous people you can.
Torture, Tranquil, scorch the earth, betray, slaughter and bring so much chaos into the world as you possibly can. It is important to play your role - pretend to be fanatically loyal to the chantry. You are a religious zealot who in the name of the Chantry, the maker and Andraste - do unspeakable acts of terror and cruelty.

Some child forgot to adress you as herald of Andraste? Crusify.
A family forgot "the new chantry tax"? Death penalty, death by execution carried out by you personally - against these heretic heathens.

In only a few years, people will whimper in fear at the very whisper of the chantry. The people will inevitable rebel and rise up against the chantry and tear it apart. 

Infiltration + Acting coupled with the virtue of patience and the vice of hatred and a 100% commitment to the downfall of the chantry and you will undo their whole religion from inside. It is the good thing to do really if you consider utilitarism. A few thousand must die so the future generations are free from superstition. So overall this is both doable by people who roleplay good or evil characters both.

[Annarl]

From my understanding those "landmarks in the graves" are telling the story of the war in the emerald graves, with the flavour text of that landmark explaining why the Chantry began trying to convert the elves.

 

It's just a side quest explaining the history of the area while you claim land, it has absolutely nothing to do with your Inquisitor or their religious beliefs. In fact, I think that it's a great storytelling technique.

 

 

 

 

This is how I interpreted it as well.  

[ElitePinecone]

But Cameron said that we can change the heraldry (that your forces take into the world at that) during the Skyhold interview. I've not been following development that closely the last month, has there been something to contradict what he said?

 

No, I think I was mistaken in my first post.

 

The interview extract you posted above says that changing Skyhold's heraldry affects the banners that the Inquisition flies in the field, which I hadn't seen before.