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Templar - Are they allowed to marry?


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dantares83

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There seems to be conflicting lore in this.

 

I mean Wesley is clearly married and he is a Templar. 

 

However, it is strongly implied that if you devoted yourself to the Chantry (brothers, sisters and templar), u take vows of poverty, Chasity and all that.

 

In DA: Redemption, the templar clearly stated he is not allowed to be married.

 

So which one is correct? 


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You watched Redemption?!
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There was a post by DG on this a whole while ago. It apparently is a rule that you need permission to marry, I think. If I recall correctly.
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Perhaps special dispensations are permitted?

IRL, celibacy became the rule for the Catholic Church to keep the church from being entangled with bickering nobles through marriage and losing property to priests' sons. Templars, however, do not own Chantry property so I can see the celibacy rule being waived easier.

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I was always under the impression that Aveline beat the Cleric with her meaty fists until she allowed the union. Honestly, the DA2 team might have fumbled in allowing such to be the case because the Templars are the achtypical warrior monks, a la Knights Templar and the Teutonic Knights. I suppose the others might be correct in asserting that exceptions are made but this just muddy's the waters.


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Yes, Aveline first husband was a templar. The only thing I cannot remember about the templars is do they take the vows chastity as a bother or not. I do remember a templar in DA2 having a child, but there was nothing saying that she was born before he joined the order. 



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No...Bioware is not gonna add a wedding scene to the game. Save it for your head canon and fan fiction...If that is what your eluding to anyway...If not, then yeah they can get married.



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Here is the best reason!


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Word of Gaider's got you covered:

 

Templars do not take vows of chastity.

Chantry priests are considered "married" to the Maker-- though it's not an actual marriage, just a spiritual one-- and thus are indeed celibate.

For templars, the situation is not quite the same. Their duties require them to be dedicated to their duties-- they're going to live in a Circle of Magi (which does not have room for spouses and families) or a chantry, or otherwise be pre-occupied. Marriage is impractical, and the Chantry thus discourages such marriages as having dependants introduces complications that templars can do without (as well as a potential means of leverage).

That said, the Chantry does occasionally give permission for templars to marry, provided the spouse has their own means of support. This is often the case when the spouse owns land or a title. Even so, considering the spouse wouldn't be able to see the templar often, it's not going to happen frequently. Before anyone asks, the Chantry also discourages templars from marrying each other even more so-- that's considered fraternization within the ranks (the templars are run as a military order, remember, and possess the same discipline).

Mages within the Circle are permitted to marry, but it's impractical with outsiders and they also must get permission from the Chantry (so it might be considered a reward for good behavior). Even so, the culture within the typical Circle of Magi tends to make mages unwilling to marry. The policy on fraternization will depend on the individual Circle-- some forbid it, while others do not, though in either case it still occurs. Considering mages live outside normal culture, they also consider themselves free of cultural conventions (especially those who were raised in a Circle from a young age) and thus tend to be quite liberal in their views.

 

From DG himself at ye olde Templars and Chastity thread.


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You watched Redemption?!

 

Watching Redemption and Dawn of the Seeker is like the Bullet Ant rite of passage for Dragon Age fans.



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You watched Redemption?!

it is a bit cheesy but still not that bad. considering it is only a Youtube production. 

 

and yeah, as a fan, i have absorbed everything including all the books.

 

right now, i am missing the comics but will get there soon. 


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Here is the best reason!

I'm all for this theory.  


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As I understand it marriage is technically allowed, but strongly discouraged.



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I'm guessing they're only allowed to marry under the circumstances that the person they'd marry has enough of their own livelihood that the templars goods can all be left to the church upon their death.



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Ser Thrask had a daughter, and Ser Wesley was married to Aveline, i don't see how either of these things could have happened with two very pious men if they weren't allowed to marry.


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Ser Thrask had a daughter, and Ser Wesley was married to Aveline, i don't see how either of these things could have happened with two very pious men if they weren't allowed to marry.

 

So far, it has only been revealed that Wesley was married. Thrask may not have ever been married. He was once not a Templar, and he may have strayed from the pious path at some point.

 

I actually doubt he was married. If he was, you'd think there would be Chantry records of him having a wife who bore a child, and then how would he hide her?



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Yes. Templars can marry.

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So far, it has only been revealed that Wesley was married. Thrask may not have ever been married. He was once not a Templar, and he may have strayed from the pious path at some point.

 

I actually doubt he was married. If he was, you'd think there would be Chantry records of him having a wife who bore a child, and then how would he hide her?

 

I wasn't aware he was hiding he had a child but rather that she was a mage. 



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I'm guessing they're only allowed to marry under the circumstances that the person they'd marry has enough of their own livelihood that the templars goods can all be left to the church upon their death.

 

It's more that Templars don't earn enough to support a family. They make very little money (since all their needs are supplied by the Order), and you can't support a spouse + children on a miserly stipend. So if a Templar wanted to marry, the spouse would need to have or make her/his own livelihood, because they're gonna be the ones bringing the bacon home.

 

Aveline was a soldier in the King's army, for instance. She probably wasn't making a lot when she married Westley, but the Chantry chapter that approved their marriage probably saw that Aveline was already supporting herself and had the potential to rise much higher still within the ranks and support their whole family should they one day decide to start one, and that's how they got the ok.



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Neither the Inquisitor nor (presumably) Cassandra are members of the order so it wouldn't apply to them either way.



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Watching Redemption and Dawn of the Seeker is like the Bullet Ant rite of passage for Dragon Age fans.


Dawn of the seeker wasn't that bad...

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It's more that Templars don't earn enough to support a family. They make very little money (since all their needs are supplied by the Order), and you can't support a spouse + children on a miserly stipend. So if a Templar wanted to marry, the spouse would need to have or make her/his own livelihood, because they're gonna be the ones bringing the bacon home.

 

Aveline was a soldier in the King's army, for instance. She probably wasn't making a lot when she married Westley, but the Chantry chapter that approved their marriage probably saw that Aveline was already supporting herself and had the potential to rise much higher still within the ranks and support their whole family should they one day decide to start one, and that's how they got the ok.

When did it become common knowledge that Templar's aren't well paid? Didn't Karen want to join the Order in Kirkwall simply so he could help out his family? Also Wilmer was spending all that time at the Blooming Rose so if he had money for whores?..


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Neither the Inquisitor nor (presumably) Cassandra are members of the order so it wouldn't apply to them either way.

 

But Cullen is/was/we don't know anymore, if you'll notice OP's avatar. ;)

 

We've had this marriage discussion in the Cullen thread a few times, but the general consensus is usually, yeah Templars can marry and all but we don't even know if the Inquisitor will survive the end of the game, so let's wait and see how it goes.



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So far, it has only been revealed that Wesley was married. Thrask may not have ever been married. He was once not a Templar, and he may have strayed from the pious path at some point.

 

I actually doubt he was married. If he was, you'd think there would be Chantry records of him having a wife who bore a child, and then how would he hide her?

 

i think Ser Thrask might have given to his urges and has an icilit relationship with a mage (much like Wynne does). Therefore, the child is a mage and since he knows how bad the Circle is, he does not want his child to be in the Circle.



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i think Ser Thrask might have given to his urges and has an icilit relationship with a mage (much like Wynne does). Therefore, the child is a mage and since he knows how bad the Circle is, he does not want his child to be in the Circle.

 

Nice guy. Terrible Templar.


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