Dawn of the seeker wasn't that bad...
It did have its odd moments.
I wonder if that girl is still around... maybe as a Tranquil or died during the Harrowing... if the mage rebellion has a mage that can control dragons, wow. Although she would be helpful against the Qunari...
Oh, right, back on topic... umm... Can a Templar marry a Grey Warden mage?... okay, that was a random question...
Dawn of the seeker wasn't that bad...
Surprise Golem + Ogre army combo!
Blood mages don't use blood magic, they attack people with farming equipment.
So much "rule of cool" detritus.
Technically there isn't any inherent breaking of an oath of celibacy in marriage, unless there is a bedding ceremony or something
Technically there isn't any inherent breaking of an oath of celibacy in marriage, unless there is a bedding ceremony or something
Yes there is. The Vow of Celibacy is literally the vow not to get married.
Surprise Golem + Ogre army combo!
Blood mages don't use blood magic, they attack people with farming equipment.
So much "rule of cool" detritus.
Surprise Golem + Ogre army combo!
Blood mages don't use blood magic, they attack people with farming equipment.
So much "rule of cool" detritus.
hahaha.. yes, the one thing that bugs me is how weak the mages are. They have all these power but they never use it until it is near life-and-death. Even Cassandra's boyfriend do that. and the mage that Cassandra is beating up for infomation, did not even bother to use magic.
Yes there is. The Vow of Celibacy is literally the vow not to get married.
I always thought celibacy was a vow not to have sex
Technically there isn't any inherent breaking of an oath of celibacy in marriage, unless there is a bedding ceremony or something
Yes there is. The Vow of Celibacy is literally the vow not to get married.
If we're getting pedantic, celibacy can also mean just not having sex, depending on which faith is using the term.
Technically, though, Chantry priests swear a vow of Chastity, not Celibacy. And since Sebastian is able to have a chaste marriage with Hawke blessed by the Grand Cleric herself, priests can still have some form of marriage, only one that doesn't involve sex.
Templars swear no vows of chastity or celibacy, in any case, so they can both get married and have sex with their spouse. It just comes with a lot of qualifiers before they're allowed to.
I always thought celibacy was a vow not to have sex
Celibacy is the state of being non-married, which precludes you from having sex if your religion forbids anything of the sort before marriage. (I know of only one religion that encourages such Vows, and it forbids sex outside of marriage, therefore the Vow of Celibacy is not specifically a Vow not to have sex, but ends up meaning that.)
If we're getting pedantic, celibacy can also mean just not having sex, depending on which faith is using the term.
Technically, though, Chantry priests swear a vow of Chastity, not Celibacy. And since Sebastian is able to have a chaste marriage with Hawke blessed by the Grand Cleric herself, priests can still have some form of marriage, only one that doesn't involve sex.
Templars swear no vows of chastity or celibacy, in any case, so they can both get married and have sex with their spouse. It just comes with a lot of qualifiers before they're allowed to.
That's also not a universally applicable definition of chastity: the term originally meant sexual propriety, rather than sexual abstinence, though if your religion forbids sex before marriage and you're single the two come to the same thing. If you're married, however, then chastity under that definition simply means limiting yourself to your spouse. And do we really see any evidence that that's not what Sebastian means?
(Do not try to out-pedantic me. It will be your downfall.)
(Edit: Also, I don't think there's any specific religion that uses the term "celibacy" that way. I'm pretty sure that definition is only used in informal settings.)
If we're getting pedantic, celibacy can also mean just not having sex, depending on which faith is using the term.
Technically, though, Chantry priests swear a vow of Chastity, not Celibacy. And since Sebastian is able to have a chaste marriage with Hawke blessed by the Grand Cleric herself, priests can still have some form of marriage, only one that doesn't involve sex.
Templars swear no vows of chastity or celibacy, in any case, so they can both get married and have sex with their spouse. It just comes with a lot of qualifiers before they're allowed to.
And Imperial priests don't take any of those vows either, most marry, and work in the clergy tends to run in families.
Just in case anyone was wondering about the Imperial Chantry... y'know, the true, original Chantry...
Edit: Also, Sebastian is not a priest, he can't be a priest, he can only be a brother, only females can be anything higher in the Andrastian Chantry.
Edit2: Andrastian Chantry mothers/priestesses are spiritually married to the Maker, so I don't think they can get married... Mr. Gaider said something about that some time ago, forget where or when.
(Do not try to out-pedantic me. It will be your downfall.)
I'd never. /tips hat
Edit2: Andrastian Chantry mothers/priestesses are spiritually married to the Maker, so I don't think they can get married... Mr. Gaider said something about that some time ago, forget where or when.
In the post I quoted a page back. 
But no, you're right. Neither Hawke or Sebastian are priests, so disregard that. When they marry, he says he'll speak to Elthina about taking her as a Sister, so she never takes a real position of clergy either. (esh, my own Hawke I headcanon to just have taken some Affirmed Sister name for that like Leliana's, some vague hot air title that really means nothing)
i think Ser Thrask might have given to his urges and has an icilit relationship with a mage (much like Wynne does). Therefore, the child is a mage and since he knows how bad the Circle is, he does not want his child to be in the Circle.
How would he have gotten this baby out of Gallows and raised it? I mean from what we know, children born from mages in this case a female one, would have been taken by the chantry. It's not like the woman he impregnated could hide the fact she was pregnant so the knight commander at the time would have to had known and informed the chantry of a impending bundle of magery. This sounds like a new conspiracy novel.
Perhaps special dispensations are permitted?
IRL, celibacy became the rule for the Catholic Church to keep the church from being entangled with bickering nobles through marriage and losing property to priests' sons. Templars, however, do not own Chantry property so I can see the celibacy rule being waived easier.
I remember some of the dialogue in the Blooming Rose about how half their customers are Templars, so no, there are no chastity vows.
I don't know that that follows. Just because the Templars aren't following any promises with regards to sexual behavior doesn't mean they didn't make any.
I don't know that that follows. Just because the Templars aren't following any promises with regards to sexual behavior doesn't mean they didn't make any.
The Chantry does not forbid sexual encounters, in fact it's the exact opposite. Those who wish to aspire to a higher form of faith, or rank within the church may or must take certain vows. An initiate is the lowest rank in which such vows are necessary. The Affirmed as you likely know is just under Initiate most likely, as they choose to affirm their belief in the maker, but take no vows to abstain away from sex or other inhibitions.
It's just as like Templars aren't require to take a vow of chastity, as sex was is just as much a form of recreation as it is procreation in such times, and people needing away to blow off steam is always going to be needed, a ****** house is such a place and the Chantry likely overlooks such discretions because it's necessary in order to keep the troops focused. Still it is possible some chantry brothers who have taken their vows, may have taken their own personal vow not acknowledged by the church in order to better honor their faith, and simply choose not to have sex, or succumb to the temptations of desire. Cullen was a full fledged Templar in DAO but he still had feelings for a young mage even though it was ill advised as such things likely are for obvious reasons.
The only thing is that I can see is that Templar's are always on duty, they have little in the way for personal affairs such as raising a family or being a homely mother or father since they vowed to serve the maker by taking up their holy task.
The Chantry does not forbid sexual encounters, in fact it's the exact opposite. Those who wish to aspire to a higher form of faith, or rank within the church may or must take certain vows. An initiate is the lowest rank in which such vows are necessary. The Affirmed as you likely know is just under Initiate most likely, as they choose to affirm their belief in the maker, but take no vows to abstain away from sex or other inhibitions.
It's just as like Templars aren't require to take a vow of chastity, as sex was is just as much a form of recreation as it is procreation in such times, and people needing away to blow off steam is always going to be needed, a ****** house is such a place and the Chantry likely overlooks such discretions because it's necessary in order to keep the troops focused. Still it is possible some chantry brothers who have taken their vows, may have taken their own personal vow not acknowledged by the church in order to better honor their faith, and simply choose not to have sex, or succumb to the temptations of desire. Cullen was a full fledged Templar in DAO but he still had feelings for a young mage even though it was ill advised as such things likely are for obvious reasons.
The only thing is that I can see is that Templar's are always on duty, they have little in the way for personal affairs such as raising a family or being a homely mother or father since they vowed to serve the maker by taking up their holy task.
No, I know they don't take any vows against sex. I'm just saying that seeing them at a brothel doesn't prove they don't.
Mordin once killed with farming equipment.
Context.
Context.
I'm not sure we get context. I'm under the impression that all we know is that he offhandedly mentions having once killed with farming equipment.
I'm not sure we get context. I'm under the impression that all we know is that he offhandedly mentions having once killed with farming equipment.
No, I meant that the context behind each situation is different. In Mass Effect, Mordin's little quip about killing dudes with farming equipment is clearly played for laughs. In Dawn of the Seeker, Blood Mages on horseback use farming equipment to kill Cassandra's brother.
I had the same reaction to both scenes, but comedic effect obviously wasn't the goal of whatever company that animated Dawn of the Seeker.
There seems to be conflicting lore in this.
I mean Wesley is clearly married and he is a Templar.
However, it is strongly implied that if you devoted yourself to the Chantry (brothers, sisters and templar), u take vows of poverty, Chasity and all that.
In DA: Redemption, the templar clearly stated he is not allowed to be married.
So which one is correct?
Word of Gaider's got you covered:
Templars do not take vows of chastity.
Chantry priests are considered "married" to the Maker-- though it's not an actual marriage, just a spiritual one-- and thus are indeed celibate.
For templars, the situation is not quite the same. Their duties require them to be dedicated to their duties-- they're going to live in a Circle of Magi (which does not have room for spouses and families) or a chantry, or otherwise be pre-occupied. Marriage is impractical, and the Chantry thus discourages such marriages as having dependants introduces complications that templars can do without (as well as a potential means of leverage).That said, the Chantry does occasionally give permission for templars to marry, provided the spouse has their own means of support. This is often the case when the spouse owns land or a title. Even so, considering the spouse wouldn't be able to see the templar often, it's not going to happen frequently. Before anyone asks, the Chantry also discourages templars from marrying each other even more so-- that's considered fraternization within the ranks (the templars are run as a military order, remember, and possess the same discipline).
Mages within the Circle are permitted to marry, but it's impractical with outsiders and they also must get permission from the Chantry (so it might be considered a reward for good behavior). Even so, the culture within the typical Circle of Magi tends to make mages unwilling to marry. The policy on fraternization will depend on the individual Circle-- some forbid it, while others do not, though in either case it still occurs. Considering mages live outside normal culture, they also consider themselves free of cultural conventions (especially those who were raised in a Circle from a young age) and thus tend to be quite liberal in their views.
From DG himself at ye olde Templars and Chastity thread.
This is your answer. The Templars (and Seekers) don't have the same vows as an Andrastian priest or monk would have. The hold no vows of chastity or celibacy, and the only thing preventing them from getting married is their direct superior's judgement on if the potential spouse has the ability to provide for their own. Since providing for is the more common reasoning for marriage, Templars often don't get married.
Neither the Inquisitor nor (presumably) Cassandra are members of the order so it wouldn't apply to them either way.
Cassandra is a Seeker of Truth, higher up in the hierarchy compared to a Templar, but still lower than the Divine. The Seekers of Truth and the Templars actually started out as the original Inquisition, until they signed the Nevarran Accord, agreeing to become an arm of the Chantry as well. The same rules likely apply to both groups, but the addition of new Seekers seems more 'special selection' based than the Templars, whom anyone can join.
That being said, this is all before the Mage-Templar war, and also before the Breach.
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