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[dantares83]

During my first playthrough, I always thought of him as someone that is genuinely fighting for the mages under him. Even after he turned on me even though all I ever done was to help and support him.

 

After a third playthrough, I realize that he is nothing but a power-hungry bas**** who uses the mages' plight as a means to justify his power-hungry views.

 

I mean he tried to riot people against Meredith (and the peace of Kirkwall), consulted with a horrible and terrible serial killer Blood Mage (way before Meredith gone completely crazy), turned into a Harvester no matter what and decided to kill everyone even if u help him. And he has no sob story or magical items controling him like Meredith does.

 

I should have put him to death long ago.

 

It appears that Elves should never gain power, once they do, they become crazy. Fiona and Orsino are few elves that rose to prominent roles and they are all crazy and power hungry.

Modifié par dantares83, 28 octobre 2014 - 05:47 .

[KaiserShep]

After a third playthrough, I realize that he is nothing but a power-hungry bas who uses the mages' plight as a means to justify his power-hungry views.

 

Fixed

 

Maybe one day you will all see.

[Undead Han]

Kirkwall needed the Inquisitor. Instead it got Hawke. 

 

Orsino & Meredith's heads should have graced neighboring spikes. To borrow a quote from Stannis Baratheon, "Would all the lords of Kirkwall had but a single neck."

 

That would have solved half of Kirkwall's problems and set things to order. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I don't think we needed heads on pikes necessarily. It needed Elthina. She could've calmed both of them. It might've taken her some time, but it would have happened.

 

Instead we got Anders. 

 

Nah, Elthina was in over her head dealing with Meredith and Orsino. She was a good woman, but weak and nobody respected her authority (she kind of reminds me of my own mother that way).

[Undead Han]

I don't think we needed heads on pikes necessarily. It needed Elthina. She could've calmed both of them. It might've taken her some time, but it would have happened.

 

Instead we got Anders. 

 

I think HYR summed up Elthina well. She was a good woman and brave as well, but seemed to be an ineffectual leader. Or maybe she was just getting old and it was time for a change. Kirkwall needed a Grand Cleric with a more forceful hand to reign in both Meredith and the mages.

 

I agree about Anders however. 

[themikefest]

Orsino is crap. He protected Quentin who killed Hawke's mother. The only good thing I can say about the clown is he dies after turning into a big blob of sh*t.

[Undead Han]

I disagree on Elthina, but that's just me. It's hard to say what she'd really do, but I believe she would have resolved something.

 

 

The important thing is that Anders thought she could do it too. Which is why he killed her. That's what makes me hate him so much. Not that he just killed an innocent party, but that he killed a Peacemaker. Which is the most repugnant thing I think a person could do. "There can be no chance for compromise now.."

 

I'm not sure why anyone leaves Anders alive after that.

 

Even my canon good guy jokester Hawke, who had been friends with Anders up to that point, introduced him to the murder knife.

[Chernaya]

I'm pretty sure Anders did it just because of the opposite; because she never really did anything. She refused any kind of action. Elthina wasn't a bad person and she didn't deserve to die but she was pretty useless as far as peacemaking would have ever gone. Years went by and everything just got worse with her there. No compromise was ever made.

[Steelcan]

heads, spikes, walls

[dantares83]

I'm pretty sure Anders did it just because of the opposite; because she never really did anything. She refused any kind of action. Elthina wasn't a bad person and she didn't deserve to die but she was pretty useless as far as peacemaking would have ever gone. Years went by and everything just got worse with her there. No compromise was ever made.

yes, i do agree with that.

 

Whenever you ask Elthina about anything, she always stay neutral no matter what. She has all the power to remove Meredith, Orsino and even Petrice but she did nothing. Even Petrice who has been asking her to get the people to remove the Qunari, she not only did nothing, but she never remove Petrice as well (in fact, promoted her!!!!). She has no backbone whatsoever.

 

She is the Grand Cleric. Whatever she says, is probably more important than what any of them will say (the only person who has more say is the Divine).

 

she is not that innocent in this.

[Xilizhra]

Kirkwall needed the Inquisitor. Instead it got Hawke. 

 

Orsino & Meredith's heads should have graced neighboring spikes. To borrow a quote from Stannis Baratheon, "Would all the lords of Kirkwall had but a single neck."

 

That would have solved half of Kirkwall's problems and set things to order. 

Stolen quote, that. I think it was first attributed to Caligula.

 

 

I'm not sure why anyone leaves Anders alive after that.

 

Even my canon good guy jokester Hawke, who had been friends with Anders up to that point, introduced him to the murder knife.

Anders is an ally and a friend, and isn't trying to kill me.

 

Also, I disagree on Orsino. He made bad choices, but I think he only concealed Quentin out of fear that any retaliation against him would come down on the Circle.

[dantares83]

lol... funny that your final conclusion is that he's an elf. THAT's why he did it.

 

You almost had me until then.

it appears that all elves who have power are like that. lol.

[Steelcan]

Best Caligula quote is between "Let them hate us as long as they fear us" and "Yes, you heard correctly, invade the ocean"

[Lulupab]

The Devs have repeatedly said that Orsino was turned into a boss in the last minutes of development. He was not meant to be one, they were like WE NEED ANOTHER BOSS. Made him a blood mage, connected him to Quentin. It was absolutely rushed and makes no sense in general.

[renfrees]

How's this discussion turned about Anders and Elthina, when it was about Orsino?

 

Not sure if I'd call Orsino root of the problem in Kirkwall, but he's not blameless. The Circle was certainly corrupt, of all escapees only Ella and idiot DeLauncet weren't blood mages. So he either knew about the corruption, or was incompetent in handling his herd. And his help to Quentin wasn't blind - Orsino knew exactly what Quentin's experiment contained, yet instead of reporting him (his claim of fear of Meredith is baseless, since Quentin wasn't part of the Circle), he supplied the killer with educational materials.

For the sake of science, I suppose.

[Chernaya]

She was slow to move, but at the same time, everyone else is too quick to move and impatient. 

 

What is so urgent that the mage issue suddenly needed to be resolved right away? In Anders' mind, that's how he thinks.. everything is about NOW NOW NOW. And when he doesn't get his way, he kills a bunch of people - and any small chance of talking it through. Screw that.

 

Well, I'd say it's pretty urgent because it's been happening for a long time and it's oppressive to innocents. It's not like its something that has just started, and in Kirkwall it was even worse than other places. Crap that went on in that 'circle' was shudder-worthy. Imo, nothing had ever changed that for a long time... so it wasn't ever suddenly going to change, or any time soon at least.

 

As for Anders, we gotta remember he isn't a normal mage. He's possessed by a spirit of Justice who only ever thinks about justice constantly and wants it immediately. That explains why he was like that.

[Lulupab]

I don't think we needed heads on pikes necessarily. It needed Elthina. She could've calmed both of them. It might've taken her some time, but it would have happened.

 

Instead we got Anders. 

 

Old woman preaching "all is well"? She was kind and a good priest but she was not a leader, more like a foolish idealist who didn't know anything about leadership

 

She was slow to move, but at the same time, everyone else is too quick to move and impatient. 

 

What is so urgent that the mage issue suddenly needed to be resolved right away? In Anders' mind, that's how he thinks.. everything is about NOW NOW NOW. And when he doesn't get his way, he kills a bunch of people - and any small chance of talking it through. Screw that.

 

Maybe if you talked to him and make him trust you once in a while you will not make fun of yourself like this. If a 100% friend Anders will tell of you his plans in act 2. He doesn't say exactly what, but if you agree with him he will admit that will he is working on a plan. In act 3 if you choose the star dialogue which is only available if Anders is 100% friend Hawke will say he is not expecting this to end with anything less than overthrowing the Templars, to which Anders will say you will not be disappointed. In next dialogue he will admit he has done something incriminating and he doesn't want to connect Hawke in any way.

 

If rival romanced, Anders will tell you "there is no one in Kirkwall I wouldn't kill to see mages free". The only thing you can be annoyed about is his plot armor until the chantry scene.

[Hizoku]

I liked Elfina, sure she never really did anything but that's what I liked about her... she was a high ranking Chantry member and yet she herself and the Chantry out of the politics..