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[dragonflight288]

But remember the Kirkwall Circle is held inside the Gallows, so if you blow that up you've also killed the mages.

Elthina was an ineffectual peacemaker. Sure, she prevented open fighting for years, but never lifted a finger to actually solve the problem. And in the mean time the situation was getting ever more dire, the mages' oppression worse and worse. Locked in their rooms as if they were prisoners, made Tranquil at the slightest provocation (even those that passed their Harrowing, which is just plain against the law). Meredith suspecting demons everywhere and actually beginning to consider Ser Alrik's "Tranquil Solution" a viable option. And in turn, more and more mages resorted to blood magic, because why not commit the crime if you're already found guilty of it?

Elthina should have recognized that Meredith had become too paranoid to make reasonable decisions anymore and deposed her. Or at least have forced the issue on a new viscount, which Meredith was also preventing because she wanted a viscount who "would do what was necessary", ie who agreed with her extremist views and would be in her pocket.

Instead she did nothing, while at the same time, by her presence alone, continually promising a peaceful resolution that would never actually come. I can see why Justice saw it necessary to remove her, even though, at the same time, it was a very shortsighted thing to do.

 

Not to mention Meredith refusing to let go of her power in the city itself. She had templars pretty much replacing the guard in High Town, Aveline was constantly fighting templars out of her office with a stick so she, and the guard, could do their job without templar interference, the nobility were not allowed to choose a new Viscount, and Meredith had a templar death squad killing non-mages in broad daylight. 

[dragonflight288]

 

But remember the Kirkwall Circle is held inside the Gallows, so if you blow that up you've also killed the mages.

Elthina was an ineffectual peacemaker. Sure, she prevented open fighting for years, but never lifted a finger to actually solve the problem. And in the mean time the situation was getting ever more dire, the mages' oppression worse and worse. Locked in their rooms as if they were prisoners, made Tranquil at the slightest provocation (even those that passed their Harrowing, which is just plain against the law). Meredith suspecting demons everywhere and actually beginning to consider Ser Alrik's "Tranquil Solution" a viable option. And in turn, more and more mages resorted to blood magic, because why not commit the crime if you're already found guilty of it?

Elthina should have recognized that Meredith had become too paranoid to make reasonable decisions anymore and deposed her. Or at least have forced the issue on a new viscount, which Meredith was also preventing because she wanted a viscount who "would do what was necessary", ie who agreed with her extremist views and would be in her pocket.

Instead she did nothing, while at the same time, by her presence alone, continually promising a peaceful resolution that would never actually come. I can see why Justice saw it necessary to remove her, even though, at the same time, it was a very shortsighted thing to do.

 

Not to mention Meredith refusing to let go of her power in the city itself. She had templars pretty much replacing the guard in High Town, Aveline was constantly fighting templars out of her office with a stick so she, and the guard, could do their job without templar interference, the nobility were not allowed to choose a new Viscount, and Meredith had a templar death squad killing non-mages in broad daylight. 

[Adanu]

There is a middle way. It's called the Chantry. They created the very middle way that you say doesn't exist. 

 

It actually happened.

 

Without the Chantry, you've only made the Templars worse. Now the Chantry can't control them. The Templars are like they were in the early days, the original Inquisition. 

 

That's not a middle way, that's slavery disguised as a solution.

[Adanu]

Slavery to who?

The Templars and Divine.

[Adanu]

How is being forced to give blood for Phylacteries and being unable to leave the Circle without permission, being forbidden from practicing any form of magic they wish, and constantly being watched when in the plantation (the circle) not slavery? Not to mention being forced into the Circle and being forced to go through the Harrowing or be made tranquil.

 

It's a gilded cage of slavery, but still a cage.

[Adanu]

And do what they Templars say, and get forced into the Narrowing, and never practice blood magic, and never leave the CIrcle without permission, and get forced to leave your home to actually join the Circle once found.... the list goes on.

 

If that isn't slavery, I don't know what is.

[Hazegurl]

Kirkwall had way too many bad eggs for just one man to fill the role. My Hawke wanted to high tail it out of there and become a pirate with Isabella and Fenris before act 3.

[Xilizhra]

Kirkwall had way too many bad eggs for just one man to fill the role. My Hawke wanted to high tail it out of there and become a pirate with Isabella and Fenris before act 3.

Thus becoming a bad egg yourself?

[Hazegurl]

Thus becoming a bad egg yourself?

Better to be a bad egg in the open sea than living in that festering dump of a city.

[Beerfish]

The op is correct. Orsino proved to be just what Meredith thought re the mages.  He was by far the bigger villain.

[Xilizhra]

Better to be a bad egg in the open sea than living in that festering dump of a city.

I prefer to be a beacon of light in it.

 

 

The op is correct. Orsino proved to be just what Meredith thought re the mages.  He was by far the bigger villain.

Orsino proved nothing except the problems inherent in one's tyranny forcing mages into a corner.

[RobRam10]

Orsino did nothing wrong. Meredith was the true threat.

[Bigdoser]

I prefer to be a beacon of light in it.

 

 

Orsino proved nothing except the problems inherent in one's tyranny forcing mages into a corner.

There was no light within that city only darkness I personally found the city detestable even if I don't like the Ideology of the Qunari we both agreed that the city sucked and if you try to improve anything? Gotta deal with bloody nobles and templars messing it up. 

[Hazegurl]

I prefer to be a beacon of light in it.

 

 

Orsino proved nothing except the problems inherent in one's tyranny forcing mages into a corner.

A beacon of light shining in a toilet is still in a toilet. Kirkwall had much bigger problems than anyone could repair, imo.

 

Most of the mages starting crap there weren't even in the circle. They were outside apostates who could have left Kirkwall at any time.  Not seeing what corner they were driven into.

[Xilizhra]

A beacon of light shining in a toilet is still in a toilet. Kirkwall had much bigger problems than anyone could repair, imo.

Not repair, but at least mitigate.

 

 

Most of the mages starting crap there weren't even in the circle. They were outside apostates who could have left Kirkwall at any time.  Not seeing what corner they were driven into.

Orsino not being among them.

[KaiserShep]

Kirkwall had way too many bad eggs for just one man to fill the role. My Hawke wanted to high tail it out of there and become a pirate with Isabella and Fenris before act 3.

 

Honestly, by the time Hawke acquires the wealth, I would have made plans to leave that wretched little stinkburg and found a new place to settle in and let that city tear itself apart from a great distance. I would probably have gone back to Ferelden and find some fancier digs than Lothering, the brown note of the Bannorn.

 

Hawke might visit the tavern and hear word that a Warden got himself killed in the Chantry trying to free some tranquil mage.

[WarriorOfLight999]

Indeed. Kirkwall needs to be sacked, the old order swept away. Whatever I think of the Qun, the Arishok had the right of it.

[Hazegurl]

Not repair, but at least mitigate.

 

 

Orsino not being among them.

Not unless you can mitigate massive fade tears.

 

Not the apostates no. Shouting in Hightown and refusing searches is another matter.

[dantares83]

Not to mention Meredith refusing to let go of her power in the city itself. She had templars pretty much replacing the guard in High Town, Aveline was constantly fighting templars out of her office with a stick so she, and the guard, could do their job without templar interference, the nobility were not allowed to choose a new Viscount, and Meredith had a templar death squad killing non-mages in broad daylight. 

The Grand Cleric is the boss of the Knight-Commander and could replace the KC as and when she pleases.

 

In my opinion, she is so lousy that she did not even bother to sack the two idiots and replace them. She even promoted a stupid racist Sister to Mother and then did not bat an eyelid when the said Mother is killed right in the Chantry.