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[bluebullets]

To start, this is not  a "qq I want my warden" thread, i'm just curious about a few things.

 

Presumably, bioware thought "we do not want to ruin the warden by including him. there are too many decisions and variables to accurately use him in da:i"

But why then, is Hawke included? Hawke got to make decisions as well. There are only 2 differences I can notice. DA:O spoilers ahead.

1) warden might be dead.

2) warden romanced a plot character.

the concern being that well, how do we import a dead warden? How do we handle the fact that he romanced a key plot point?

1)  I'd respond that they did it in DA:A, and as well, bioware could make him live despite the choice, or just have him not show up if dead. Also... (do not click the spoiler if you don't want any hints about anything in DA:I)

Spoiler

russian art book. nuff said for those who know.

2) well, he did that anyway so they'll need to deal with it regardless. They better not just ignore it and pretend it never happened/ he never existed.


The way i see it, both kind of have the same barriers to being in DA:I, so why hawke and not warden? Both would be AMAZING to have included. I would figure that neither would be, and I'd live with that, but I'm confused why hawke and not warden or both.

[Jawzzus]

Its the story they wanted to go with in this game.  That's the official reasoning and just as good as any really.

 

Importing a dead warden to Awakenings was a bug, one that's been fixed by the keep.

[Spectre Impersonator]

I think the primary reason is that Hawke was basically a character with 3 possible personalities, 2 possible voices and 1 possible race, whereas the Warden could have 6 or more voices, backgrounds, and up to 3 races. Also, you're correct that the Warden could also be dead, a king/queen, a Warden-Commander, vanished through the Eluvian, a parent, or simply a wanderer. Hawke is just the champion of Kirkwall who had no choice in what happened after DA2.

 

Their obsession with bringing Leliana (and Morrigan) back could also be difficult if you romanced her. I suppose it's easier to just make the Warden disappear than put him/her with Leliana.

 

I believe it's a little concerning for the future because the Warden has basically been dumped due to the sheer difficulty of making him/her a continuing character like Commander Shepard was. Can we expect Bioware to make all our future characters into something less important than they should be based on their standing in Thedas at the end of each game?

[The Night Haunter]

Hawke has a purpose in this story while the Warden doesn't. If you want more specifics you are going to either have to break into Bioware Edmonton (I think) over the weekend and steal a build copy of DAI and play it through to find out, or wait until Nov and do the same thing.

[Meatbaggins]

There's also the possibility they have something planned for the Warden in DLC.

[Kantr]

Inquisition is the story of the Inquisitor, not the continuing stories of Hawke and the Warden. Any appearances or mentions of them are just a bonus

[Gill Kaiser]

Come on, the difference in complexity between including Hawke and including the Warden is obvious. The Warden doesn't even have a real voice, or anything resembling a set personality. They would have to canonise a ton of variables and the majority of people would be pissed.

[bluebullets]

I think the primary reason is that Hawke was basically a character with 3 possible personalities, 2 possible voices and 1 possible race, whereas the Warden could have 6 or more voices, backgrounds, and up to 3 races. Also, you're correct that the Warden could also be dead, a king/queen, a Warden-Commander, vanished through the Eluvian, a parent, or simply a wanderer. Hawke is just the champion of Kirkwall who had no choice in what happened after DA2.

 

Their obsession with bringing Leliana (and Morrigan) back could also be difficult if you romanced her. I suppose it's easier to just make the Warden disappear than put him/her with Leliana.

 

I believe it's a little concerning for the future because the Warden has basically been dumped due to the sheer difficulty of making him/her a continuing character like Commander Shepard was. Can we expect Bioware to make all our future characters into something less important than they should be based on their standing in Thedas at the end of each game?

 

I agree with all this. I hadn't considered the first paragraph, and I agree with the concern. It makes a bit more sense now.

[Frocharocha]

My bet is because he didn'`t have a voice at all, and it would be quite hard give hi ma perosnality unlike Hawke,

[dekarserverbot]

I don't care as long as my son appears this time. Also i HATE Hawke so, if he appears, I expect we can kill him

[EmperorKarino]

To start, this is not  a "qq I want my warden" thread, i'm just curious about a few things.

 

Presumably, bioware thought "we do not want to ruin the warden by including him. there are too many decisions and variables to accurately use him in da:i"

But why then, is Hawke included? Hawke got to make decisions as well. There are only 2 differences I can notice. DA:O spoilers ahead.

1) warden might be dead.

2) warden romanced a plot character.

the concern being that well, how do we import a dead warden? How do we handle the fact that he romanced a key plot point?

1)  I'd respond that they did it in DA:A, and as well, bioware could make him live despite the choice, or just have him not show up if dead. Also... (do not click the spoiler if you don't want any hints about anything in DA:I)

Spoiler

russian art book. nuff said for those who know.

2) well, he did that anyway so they'll need to deal with it regardless. They better not just ignore it and pretend it never happened/ he never existed.


The way i see it, both kind of have the same barriers to being in DA:I, so why hawke and not warden? Both would be AMAZING to have included. I would figure that neither would be, and I'd live with that, but I'm confused why hawke and not warden or both.

 

i know they have repeatedly said that the warden isn't in inquisition, but they sure haven't explained who that dude in warden armor next to hawke in that one trailer is, so i still think the warden is going to be inquisition, and there was a german article for inquisition that said the warden and hawke, i'll have to see if i can find the link to it.

[Spectre Impersonator]

I don't care as long as my son appears this time. Also i HATE Hawke so, if he appears, I expect we can kill him

I liked my main Hawke but I would absolutely love to kill my evil, murder-knife-happy Hawke in Inquisition. What an awesome duel that would be!

[Jawzzus]

i know they have repeatedly said that the warden isn't in inquisition, but they sure haven't explained who that dude in warden armor next to hawke in that one trailer is, so i still think the warden is going to be inquisition, and there was a german article for inquisition that said the warden and hawke, i'll have to see if i can find the link to it.

 

David Gaider has said multiple times that you will not see the Hero of Fereldan in Inquisition, you might hear about him, but not physically see him.  So the warden you see could be the orlisean warden, or some other one

[dutch_gamer]

I agree with all this. I hadn't considered the first paragraph, and I agree with the concern. It makes a bit more sense now.

I disagree with the concern. Just because someone is a hero it doesn't mean seeing the hero is necessary to continue the story of the hero. One can mention the hero and still his/her forces without being jarring. If the next game is set in Tevinter it wouldn't be weird not to see the inquisitor considering he/she only seems to be dealing with Orlais and Ferelden. And even if the inquisition is still a force in the next game they still wouldn't have to show inquisitor when they can just show the inquisition itself. So, no I don't see the concern as having any real merit.

[WildOrchid]

Because warden's story ended.

[Master Race]

They set it up in DA: 2 to sound like both the Hawke and Warden were together or taken by the same thing (if captured). It's disappointing that the warden won't be showing up but it does not mean we won't get decent/great info about our warden's in the game and possibly full closure.

 

I think Hawke was also chosen for a business perspective. It's no surprise that Dragon Age 2 was not received as well as Origins. With Hawke being in the game, potentially with an awesome role, it could spur people to buy dragon age 2 and play it if they haven't already. I actually haven't bought DA: 2 only watched the story on youtube but i may buy it depending on Hawke's role in Inquisition.

[AtreiyaN7]

Maybe the Warden is just dead. I also tend to agree with that poster up above who listed the rather large number of variables that BW would have to deal with. It's probably just too darned complex to handle when you can actually do things like having your human noble marrying King Alistair and ruling Ferelden (that's what my Warden did anyway - heh).

 

At any rate, perhaps Hawke will tell us what happened to the Warden after they both disappeared and we'll at least find out his/her fate! I guess there's also the outside possibility that it's for future story-related reasons, but I kind of doubt that.

[TheCreeper]

A: The Said the Story for the Warden was Finished while Hawke's wasn't.

B: Hawke is a lot easier to import: Lot less factors to consider.

C: Hawke is more connected to ongoing events: Having a direct hand in the events that caused the Mage/Templar war and the Civil War in Orlais.

D: *Artbook Spoiler Stuff*

E: Has an established voice.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Because warden's story ended.

When did that happen? I missed it!

[Todrazok]

Because warden's story ended.

This, as for Hawke, his/her story isn't finished yet. It all boils down to that.

[Arcling]

Hawke is much easier to adapt, has specific voice, only one race and set of 3 personalities (class might be less relevant here). Warden got way too many variables and I bet many people would've been either angry or disappointed to hear voice that doesn't much their characters, because they expected something different. Personally, I don't mind if they keep Warden "gone" or simply tell that he/she died at some point. As for Hawke, perhaps they will use some story material originally planned for an expansion for DA2.

[Shadow Fox]

Because Hawke>Warden.