For you maybe, but my warden participated in the dark ritual with morrigan (who plays an important role in DAI) & so happens to be the prince-consort of Ferelden. His role in Thedas completely overshadows Hawke's existence entirely.
Was, until he disappeared...thanks DA2
Was, until he disappeared...thanks DA2
He's a prince-consort that disappears. One of a kind.
I don't believe we're supposed to talk about what's in (or not in) the Keep publicly. At least not if we want to keep our access to it.
@Messi I am not sure if you can say it here.. Or anywhere, not sure if you can talk about keep beta that much, GRRR WISH I HAD KEEP BETA TOOO!!!! 
I will wait for the game to come out and seing how it will be done before passing judgement on this (since the Warden will have a story in the game, he just won't be seen by you, at least if I understood David Galder correctly), but I have to admit that I expected the Warden to have a physical appearance in the game, especially since both Alistair and Anora are going to physically appear in the game, my Warden is the King of Ferelden (and husband of Queen Anora), the Teyrn of both Gwaren and Highever (since Fergus is supposedly killed by bandits if you execute Nathaniel Howe, which I did do), and the Warden-Commander of Ferelden, so for my Warden to not appear physically in at least some of the same scenes as Queen Anora will seems strange to me (to say the least).
I think the primary reason is that Hawke was basically a character with 3 possible personalities, 2 possible voices and 1 possible race, whereas the Warden could have 6 or more voices, backgrounds, and up to 3 races. Also, you're correct that the Warden could also be dead, a king/queen, a Warden-Commander, vanished through the Eluvian, a parent, or simply a wanderer. Hawke is just the champion of Kirkwall who had no choice in what happened after DA2.
Their obsession with bringing Leliana (and Morrigan) back could also be difficult if you romanced her. I suppose it's easier to just make the Warden disappear than put him/her with Leliana.
I believe it's a little concerning for the future because the Warden has basically been dumped due to the sheer difficulty of making him/her a continuing character like Commander Shepard was. Can we expect Bioware to make all our future characters into something less important than they should be based on their standing in Thedas at the end of each game?
How was the Warden dumped? It's been stated numerous time by devs over many years that DAO was the end of the Warden's story (more or less), and future games would involve future protagonists.
Part of that reasoning was perhaps guided by the lack of control they had on the character (all those reasons in your first paragraphs are valid, and very hard to account for), but also because bioware NEVER planned to make DAO into a Mass Effect style storyline, following the same protagonist over several games. This is obvious when you consider they give us the option to perform the Ultimate Sacrifice. Any game where the protagonish can legitimately die in a GOOD ending (as opposed to dying in ME2, which was basically failing the ending) obviously is not planning on keeping that main character around much.
So, no, the Warden was not "dumped": he was never planned to stick around in the first place. Furthermore, I don't agree with the idea that somehow the Warden (or Hawke) is "less important than they should be", because they don't somehow get involved in the Next Big Threat. Thedas is a big world, and the idea that the Warden/Hawke should be important to the storyline is really more the result of OUR bias towards the character than any sense of "realism". Because they really don't have to be, there's so many ways the writers could explain why they're not at the forefront of the conflict.
The Warden and Hawke became heroes because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time (well, the right place, really), and that's why they don't HAVE to be prominent in this conflict. They could jsut be _elsewhere_ when things get going, and so never get the opportunity to take the lead against this threat (and in the Warden's case at least, this is assuming he/she would even care/is still alive). This is the very same reason the Inquisitor becomes the Inquisitor: wrong place, wrong time, he/she gets the fade thingie and ends up having a new destiny (or some such).
Thedas is a big place, and there's plenty of room for new heroes for every game, and for previous protagonists to be off doing Other Things. These could be Very Important in their own right, of course, but we just don't need to know that because the current game is not about the old protagonists. And they certainly don't need to be.
That is exactly why he wont be appearing. Too many options, too many possibilities. We will never physically see our Wardens again, I can almost promise that. The Warden may be the biggest hero of Ferelden since Calenhad united the Tribes, surpassing even the great Hero of River Dane in sheer amazingness. But alas, the Warden has "disappeared". Likely forever, thanks DA2.
For you maybe, but my warden participated in the dark ritual with morrigan (who plays an important role in DAI) & so happens to be the prince-consort of Ferelden. His role in Thedas completely overshadows Hawke's existence entirely.
She gets mentioned in the new game but still isn't. Meaning, there's nothing else for the Warden to explore as we know so far. So yes, Hawke has still a story to say.
Damn why my quete system is not working... oops off topic, but still SOMONE HELP... Anyway .
That is exactly why he wont be appearing. Too many options, too many possibilities. We will never physically see our Wardens again, I can almost promise that. The Warden may be the biggest hero of Ferelden since Calenhad united the Tribes, surpassing even the great Hero of River Dane in sheer amazingness. But alas, the Warden has "disappeared". Likely forever, thanks DA2.
Gaider pretty much said that the loose end created by that disappearence will be resolved in DA:I.
We won't see the Warden of course, but having that story neatly wrapped up (like it was before DA2's ending messed with it) will be enough for me.
I'm just hoping it'll be something more creative than "The Warden discovered the new big bad and tried to stop it before it could open a tear in between our world and the Fade. Alas, he failed and is now dead meat. The End."
Gaider pretty much said that the loose end created by that disappearence will be resolved in DA:I.
We won't see the Warden of course, but having that story neatly wrapped up (like it was before DA2's ending messed with it) will be enough for me.
I'm just hoping it'll be something more creative than "The Warden discovered the new big bad and tried to stop it before it could open a tear in between our world and the Fade. Alas, he failed and is now dead meat. The End."
The warden is the new big bad. You kill them. The end 
The warden is the new big bad. You kill them. The end
They're copying Diablo 2? 
Gaider pretty much said that the loose end created by that disappearence will be resolved in DA:I.
We won't see the Warden of course, but having that story neatly wrapped up (like it was before DA2's ending messed with it) will be enough for me.
I'm just hoping it'll be something more creative than "The Warden discovered the new big bad and tried to stop it before it could open a tear in between our world and the Fade. Alas, he failed and is now dead meat. The End."
It will probably be something just as dumb as that. The fate of The Warden, imo. Cannot be concluded adequately without them physically being there, and that will never happen. I assume this is why they have moved away from the more complex nature of DAO, so it is easier to make previous protagonists appear in future titles. While I feel this plot (what very little I know of it) does not really involve The Warden, I cannot help but feel like they should go out with a bang, if still alive. The only reason I even keep my Warden alive in DAO is the slim, but naive hope that one day, just one day. We'll see them again. I know in my heart it is totally, absolutely impossible, but it does not change that feeling.
It will probably be something just as dumb as that. The fate of The Warden, imo. Cannot be concluded adequately without them physically being there, and that will never happen.
That's part of the reason that I don't want the fate of the warden resolved - I don't think it could possibly satisfy me for all the wardens I have. Frankly, even if the warden was physically there, unless I was directly able to control them I doubt very much I would be satisfied. Instead, leave it open, let me make my own conclusions.
I strongly dislike the "draw your own conclusions" thing unless it's something like Elder Scrolls. I absolutely HATE things never being resolved. One way or another I want final closure. I don't care if I control them or not, I just want resolution, I just want to SEE their final fate. Regardless if I control them or not.
People.. If you want to just dump the warden, that's one thing.. But you cannot include morrigan, leliana, etc. and ignore my warden. That is completely unacceptable.
My warden impregnated morrigan, had a god baby, and went into a mirror with her. Thus, as long as morrigans story continues, i damn well expect my Warden's to. I at least want some explanations.
And based on spoilers, the warden might not be dead either way even if you killed him. Can't be sure though.
People.. If you want to just dump the warden, that's one thing.. But you cannot include morrigan, leliana, etc. and ignore my warden. That is completely unacceptable.
My warden impregnated morrigan, had a god baby, and went into a mirror with her. Thus, as long as morrigans story continues, i damn well expect my Warden's to. I at least want some explanations.
And based on spoilers, the warden might not be dead either way even if you killed him. Can't be sure though.
Indeed, having the Wardens friends all over the place, but the Warden always being missing, is quit ridiculous.
I get it Bioware, you keep bringing Leliana around because you wanted Liara 2.0, but come on, either deal with The Warden or stop bringing his friends into every plot.
Indeed, having the Wardens friends all over the place, but the Warden always being missing, is quit ridiculous.
I get it Bioware, you keep bringing Leliana around because you wanted Liara 2.0, but come on, either deal with The Warden or stop bringing his friends into every plot.
Wut... Leliana and Liara has nothing in common. Unless I missed something.
Wut... Leliana and Liara has nothing in common. Unless I missed something.
Leliana is now basically the Shadow Broker, she is the ultra uber spy master, who gathers intel on everyone.
Indeed, having the Wardens friends all over the place, but the Warden always being missing, is quit ridiculous.
I get it Bioware, you keep bringing Leliana around because you wanted Liara 2.0, but come on, either deal with The Warden or stop bringing his friends into every plot.
BIB, is it really that hard to believe they have lives outside of our Warden?
Indeed, having the Wardens friends all over the place, but the Warden always being missing, is quit ridiculous.
I get it Bioware, you keep bringing Leliana around because you wanted Liara 2.0, but come on, either deal with The Warden or stop bringing his friends into every plot.
finally someone gets it.
BIB, is it really that hard to believe they have lives outside of our Warden?
yes. they cured a freaking blight with him. they romanced him. they had a god baby with him.
Would they bring him up in every conversation- "oh i remember the warden..."
no.. that'd be silly. but he wouldn't go forgotten and just die never to be mentioned again or explained by the god baby girlfriend he went into a mirror with.
Plus, this is a game, not life. i like explanations.
BIB, is it really that hard to believe they have lives outside of our Warden?
Leliana told me, she would follow my Warden everywhere, after the game. She made it clear she would not willingly leave his side. So in that situation, yes. I do find it hard to believe, that she has basically totally moved on from The Warden completely, doing almost everything else in the world besides trying to make sure he is even ok.
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