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[Minttymint]

If he went missing and one of their other friends, Leliana, was supposedly looking into it (as implied by the end of DA2) then I really don't think they would just sit on their asses and wait for him to stop being gone because god forbid they do stuff without him.
 

[TheRevanchist]

No they wouldn't sit on their asses, they would probably go f***ing look for him. if your response to a missing friend is "oh well...they'll turn up eventually." Then frankly that is an odd definition of Friendship. 

[bluebullets]

No they wouldn't sit on their asses, they would probably go f***ing look for him. if your response to a missing friend is "oh well...they'll turn up eventually." Then frankly that is an odd definition of Friendship. 

at the very least, she'd send out spies looking for him.

And at the very least, it is a VIDEO GAME not REAL LIFE, so morrigan should explain what happened there, even if its a cutscene of her talking to herself in about it.

[Shevy]

I think bringing back the Warden into the story at the end of DA II was a mistake. It's been a while since then, but iirc more people were satisfied before this implied connection with Hawke than after. For me, my Wardens story was finished with Witch Hunt. She let Morrigan escape and went back to fullfill her duty as a Grey Warden. And then DA II happened.

 

As for a reappearance in DA:I I'm glad they decided against one. There are too many variables to determine to provide a satisfying entry.

 

About Hawke, I couldn't care less. I just hope he isn't presented as a "big hero" in an "ultra-cool" cinematic. Because he was clearly not.

[Minttymint]

The thing is we have to wait for the game to find out what those friends are doing, for all we know they could be looking for him or trying to help in someway. The Warden defeated the blight, his friends might not sit by and wait for him to turn up but they know he is more than capable and will probably turn up whether they help or not.

[Vox Draco]

Because warden's story ended.

 

And goes ever-on in my own canon that hopefully won't be touched by DAI in any way ... my warden is busy being the Hero-Queen of Ferelden, ruling the country wisely, having overcome the taint by magical means and is happily married to Alistair, the virgin king of Ferelden...so I am glad they leave her be!!!!!!

[Spectre Impersonator]

How was the Warden dumped? It's been stated numerous time by devs over many years that DAO was the end of the Warden's story (more or less), and future games would involve future protagonists.

If DAO is the end of the Warden's story, how does that explain Awakening and Witch Hunt? And the continued mentionings in DA2 of the Warden playing a role in Thedas' goings on?

Part of that reasoning was perhaps guided by the lack of control they had on the character (all those reasons in your first paragraphs are valid, and very hard to account for), but also because bioware NEVER planned to make DAO into a Mass Effect style storyline, following the same protagonist over several games. This is obvious when you consider they give us the option to perform the Ultimate Sacrifice. Any game where the protagonish can legitimately die in a GOOD ending (as opposed to dying in ME2, which was basically failing the ending) obviously is not planning on keeping that main character around much.

 

So, no, the Warden was not "dumped": he was never planned to stick around in the first place. Furthermore, I don't agree with the idea that somehow the Warden (or Hawke) is "less important than they should be", because they don't somehow get involved in the Next Big Threat. Thedas is a big world, and the idea that the Warden/Hawke should be important to the storyline is really more the result of OUR bias towards the character than any sense of "realism". Because they really don't have to be, there's so many ways the writers could explain why they're not at the forefront of the conflict.

Dumped. Because Bioware INSISTS on bringing back characters firmly tied to the Warden, like Morrigan, Alistair, and Leliana, not only for visits but major roles in the story. These characters may well have been in love with the Warden, tied to him/her by more than a single mission to stop a Blight. Alistair might be married to the Warden and is slated to appear in the next game. So what exactly is the Warden doing while the King's involving himself in the Rift? Sitting on the sidelines because her story was arbitrarily determined to be "done"? Where is Leliana's love and her promise to stay at the Warden's side? Why did Morrigan emerge from the Eluvian but leave the Warden behind? Why is Arnora's husband, King Warden, not taking an active role in protecting the world from this new threat? If the writers truly must include these DAO characters because they can't come up with new ones to take their place, then it's their responsibility to find a role for the most important character of all, the Hero Of Ferelden.

 

I'm not saying the Warden needs to appear, but we certainly need something better than "disappeared just like Hawke". That is not an end to a story. I stand by my opinion that the Warden has not been brought back due to the sheer difficulty of it and not because "his/her story is over because we said so."

The Warden and Hawke became heroes because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time (well, the right place, really), and that's why they don't HAVE to be prominent in this conflict. They could jsut be _elsewhere_ when things get going, and so never get the opportunity to take the lead against this threat (and in the Warden's case at least, this is assuming he/she would even care/is still alive). This is the very same reason the Inquisitor becomes the Inquisitor: wrong place, wrong time, he/she gets the fade thingie and ends up having a new destiny (or some such).

 

Thedas is a big place, and there's plenty of room for new heroes for every game, and for previous protagonists to be off doing Other Things. These could be Very Important in their own right, of course, but we just don't need to know that because the current game is not about the old protagonists. And they certainly don't need to be.

Agreed, Thedas is a big place, and yet we still have the very same characters playing major roles in the events, Leliana, Morrigan, and Alistair, as previously mentioned. I have no problem with a new story being told every game with a new cast of characters for each. However, bringing back these characters who potentially have very significant (but seemingly absent) connections to the protagonist from the first game simply sticks out like a sore azure (Liara can explain).

 

You can't have it both ways and say the Warden's story is done because he stopped the Blight but Leliana's story isn't because... Bioware likes her or something. Both of them stopped the Blight together. Tell a new story if that's what you want, but leave the old baggage out of it. I highly doubt Leliana will have good reason to be involved in Inquisition, much like she had no good reason to suddenly become the Divine's left hand. It's just unwillingness to part with a character they feel can be used more combined with unwillingness to find a way to appropriately finish the story of the Hero Of Ferelden given all it's complications and difficulties.

[Sol Downer]

And goes ever-on in my own canon that hopefully won't be touched by DAI in any way ... my warden is busy being the Hero-Queen of Ferelden, ruling the country wisely, having overcome the taint by magical means and is happily married to Alistair, the virgin king of Ferelden...so I am glad they leave her be!!!!!!

Your Warden vanished in DA2. Of course DAI is going to touch on that subject.

[TheEternalStudent]

Your Warden vanished in DA2. Of course DAI is going to touch on that subject.

My Hawke and Wardenw were both rogues, did the Inquisition consider that they might've just stealthed?

[Vox Draco]

Your Warden vanished in DA2. Of course DAI is going to touch on that subject.

 

Nah, she already got back from that mirror stuff with Morrigan a long time ago, and quite happily so (DO NOT DARE TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME! I WILL NOT HAVE SUCH NONSENSE! SHEPARD IS ALREADY GONE TO ... WHATEVER STUPID STORY-DECISION THEY MADE UP! THE WARDEN IS NOT SUBJECT TO SUCH THINGS!)

 

Ahem...sorry for that...keep on posting, nothing to read here ...

[Sol Downer]

My Hawke and Wardenw were both rogues, did the Inquisition consider that they might've just stealthed?

Hahah. I like the way you think. Coincidentally, so were mine.

 

Nah, she already got back from that mirror stuff with Morrigan a long time ago, and quite happily so (DO NOT DARE TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME! I WILL NOT HAVE SUCH NONSENSE! SHEPARD IS ALREADY GONE TO ... WHATEVER STUPID STORY-DECISION THEY MADE UP! THE WARDEN IS NOT SUBJECT TO SUCH THINGS!)

 

Ahem...sorry for that...keep on posting, nothing to read here ...

O-okay. Nothing happened at all, and she's totally safe!

[bluebullets]

Indeed.. .+9000 internets to the guy who wrote that post.

[volaticus]

In my personal opinion I feel that the the warden's story is kind of done... I think mentions of their involvement with the grey wardens works well simply cause they've been more concerned with gray wardening things. I feel Hawke's return make more sense because she/he was involved in stuff and carries influence in this war, People want to look to him/her because they were there at the beginning and either tried to aid or staunch the rebellion, so their influence actually means something. With the warden however, it doesn't really make as much sense for them to come back in, unless it's something they did that caused this problem. Also IF my suspicions of the badguy (after hearing the enemy trailer) is correct then hawke might have some knowledge on that *coughlegacycough*

 

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It's also stated that Varric lied to Cassandra so there might be more to Hawke than we know as well, ultimately I think they made the right decision. I feel Hawke will be more of a support than a major role in the story but still, I am happy she/he's returning and if varric lied, I am curious about what he lied on, whether hawke knew more, and everything else.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Nah, she already got back from that mirror stuff with Morrigan a long time ago, and quite happily so (DO NOT DARE TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME! I WILL NOT HAVE SUCH NONSENSE! SHEPARD IS ALREADY GONE TO ... WHATEVER STUPID STORY-DECISION THEY MADE UP! THE WARDEN IS NOT SUBJECT TO SUCH THINGS!)

Ahem...sorry for that...keep on posting, nothing to read here ...

Don't worry they learned their lesson on what Bioware fans want for their main characters withe whole hoopla surrounding the ME ending. They decided to implement one of the more popular fan demands on the Warden this time.

So now your Warden is fighting the good fight alongside the Warden's new best friend Harb...Corypheus!

*hides in a fallout shelter*

[dekarserverbot]

Cos Hawke was hyped up to be someone so important to Thedas and all he ended up doing is... kind of nothing.

 

Being less than Lloyd the bartender to be exact... I wish that someone more important had returned instead (WADE ANYONE?) even Lloyd would make me "OMG THE FAT CHAMPION OF REDCLIFFE" than "oh great, useless Hawke appears again..."

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Being less than Lloyd the bartender to be exact... I wish that someone more important had returned instead (WADE ANYONE?) even Lloyd would make me "OMG THE FAT CHAMPION OF REDCLIFFE" than "oh great, useless Hawke appears again..."

Do you literally do anything else on here apart from expressing your hatred for DA2? i don't think ive ever seen you post anything that didn't include some insult towards the game

[Marakov7]

No they wouldn't sit on their asses, they would probably go f***ing look for him. if your response to a missing friend is "oh well...they'll turn up eventually." Then frankly that is an odd definition of Friendship. 

 

It's hard to remember you came to drain the swamp when you're up to your ass in alligators...things are going to the abyss in a hand basket, ya know.

[TheRevanchist]

 

I like this human, he understands...

[dekarserverbot]

Do you literally do anything else on here apart from expressing your hatred for DA2? i don't think ive ever seen you post anything that didn't include some insult towards the game

Since my X-Box 360 had been offline since three years... i can't complain about ME3 "ending". But believe me, there is more from where this rants came reserved for that. Also I'm just giving my twenty two dollars about it just because my faith in BW is on the line.

[Lady Mutare]

Morrigan and Alistair had the dark ritual in my games. I disliked Liliana and there was no other LI besides Zevran.  I play a female in all my games, I dislike a lot of the male oriented plot lines. So making the warden come back in DAI for a female warden who married Alistair would just be too taxing for the writers. If they ignore the female choices that would just ****** to many of the females who play the game off.  As for my Hawke, again she was a female, and why they don't bring her LI Sebastian or Fenris or Anders?  I mean to many female interests and not enough interesting males.  Granted I usually choose to kill Anders as he deserves it even if I choose to help the mages, but just seems the LI are more geared for male characters.

[Jndogss]

Nah, she already got back from that mirror stuff with Morrigan a long time ago, and quite happily so (DO NOT DARE TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME! I WILL NOT HAVE SUCH NONSENSE! SHEPARD IS ALREADY GONE TO ... WHATEVER STUPID STORY-DECISION THEY MADE UP! THE WARDEN IS NOT SUBJECT TO SUCH THINGS!)

 

Ahem...sorry for that...keep on posting, nothing to read here ...

 

If Bioware decides write out the part were the Hero Warden goes into the mirror then that means that me along with a lot of other people wasted their money on Witch Hunt since the story gets written out. I hope the mirror part is at least mention by Morrigan in DA:I.