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gottaloveme

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Okay then - Hawke vs Warden who wins? How and why?

 

femHawke vs femWarden is a no brainer (for me) warden wipes floor with Hawke.

 

masHawke vs masWarden

 

sword/board warden wins

mage Hawke wins

rogue not too sure - Hawke has twin fangs and mostly everything that the warden has Hawke has. This one down to the wire.



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Marquis of Queensbury rules? Okay. You do know that they're rules of boxing, right? That means *no magic* and *no dirty fighting*.

 

Fighters beat mages and have an edge over thieves.

Thieves beat mages.

 

Men have an edge over women in this, too. Humans have an edge over elves, and dwarves have an edge over humans.

 

So the matrix of possibilities is very varied.



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gottaloveme

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Yeah I know it's boxing (tho' wasn't sure if I spelt Queensbury right). I just used it for something to say. Very inexact of me. But play along anyway?



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caradoc2000

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they're rules of boxing

...unless you think outside the box. Then they are just rules.



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gottaloveme

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Okay - no holds barred then. Warden trashes Hawke. :devil:



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Warden versus Hawke, Marquis of Queensbury rules...?  So the Warden accuses a male Hawke of an inappropriate relationship with Anders or Fenris, Hawke sues for slander, fails, and is brought up on charges himself under Kirkwall's draconian "gross indecency law," and sentenced to seven years hard labour at the bone pit...? 

 

Oh, we're talking about boxing :P

 

Well, for starters, if we're talking fistfighting, Hawke already has a serious disadvantage.  Unarmed combat exists in DAO, and doesn't in DA2.  If you remove all weapons from the Warden, they fight with their fists.  Remove all weapons from Hawke, and they're left with a basic weapon.  Hawke is unable to truly drop their weapons.  It would be an instant disqualification.  

 

Assuming Hawke could convince a judge to accept their unique situation and bring the basic weapon into the ring, it should be noted that these weapons do almost no damage (I *think* a basic sword is something like 7 damage) and don't scale with Hawke's level.  Unarmed damage for the Warden does scale with level, and I saw one site where someone had built a Warden able to do between 90 and 180 damage with an unarmed character in Awakening without proper gear.

 

Since these rules require the hero to strip down, there's no armour benefits.  Assuming they're both warriors (no dirty fighting and no magic tricks make this the logical choice) and both specced well, Hawke is only going to be able to go toe-to-toe with the Warden for the first few levels.  I've rarely had a Hawke with more that 400 hit points, so worst case scenario is that a level 20-ish Warden will kill Hawke in 4.5 hits, or under 30 seconds, and Hawke won't make a scratch in the Warden with that crappy longsword.

 

Or was that too precise :P 



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Hawketm is level 50 while the warden is at most level 35. At most the warden can scurry into the Deep Roads and hope the Blight takes him before the Hawketm does - preferably taking Cullen, Corypheus, Wynne, Jolee and all the other gits with him. :wizard:



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Hawketm is level 50 while the warden is at most level 35. At most the Warden can scurry into the Deep Roads and hope the Blight takes him before the Hawketm does - preferably taking Cullen, Corypheus, Wynne, Jolee and all the other gits with him. :wizard:

 

Firstly, i assumed the same level.  That's be the equivalent, I imagine, of weight categories here.

 

Secondly, is it possible to reach level 50 without mods or taking advantage of bugs?  I've had wardens at 35 and never had a Hawke higher than 30.  That would seem to be cheating.

 

Thirdly, given the mechanics of unarmed combat and how much harder it is DA2, I'm not so sure those extra 15 levels would make a difference :P



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*sigh*  :pinched:

 

I assume you don't yet know my personal hatred towards the listed individuals? (you are obviously not GreenTwilek, who was a mod from pre2009 Bioware forums - Jolee is from Knights of the Old Republic, BTW).

 

Even so, assuming the warden and the Hawketm are both from my games, I can (and will) reload any game in which the warden defeats the Hawketm.



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In a duel with just staves and no magic, I'm going to say that a Mage Hawke would beat a Mage Warden.

 

As an Apostate, Hawke's had years to learn how to defend themselves without using using magic in public, whereas the Mage Warden only can be said to have learned how to fight after joining the Grey Wardens, since the Templars likely aren't happy with Circle Mages learning combat training.

 

In a duel with magic however, it's fair to say that a Mage Warden would win hands down.

 

The reasoning for this is twofold; first because they had formal magical training unlike Hawke, and second because you're said to be Irving's star-pupil (something Uldred mocks you for), so you've clearly got enough of an aptitude that the First Enchanter himself chose to mentor you.

 

As for the other Wardens, I'd say that it'd probably be depend on the race and class of the Warden in question. A Warrior Hawke could probably stand toe to toe with a Elven and Human Warrior, but I think they'd probably lose to a Dwarven Warrior. Similarly, a Rogue Hawke could probably be evenly matched with a Dwarven and Human Rogue, but probably would lose to an Elven Rogue.