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[Bayonet Hipshot]

This news on the Seekers being able to use Templar abilities without being Lyrium addicts is interesting. For those who do not know this, check out the recent class overview video. 

 

This is interesting because of a few things :- 

 

1) It means non mages can learn abilities that look like magic without being hooked up to lyrium. In this Seekers remind me of the Chi Blockers from Avatar where they can block a bender's ability but without needing to use any addictive drug.

 

2) Templars have been royally screwed in their collective arses by the Chantry. I would say they are screwed more than mages. I mean, just look at what this means for the Templars. The Chantry has essentially been recruiting thousands of people, addicting them to lyrium, hooking them to it, making them slowly succumb to the addiction...All this...so that they can have a military branch. All this, so that they can have tons of people in service and servitude to them.

 

I mean, the whole line about "Templars keeping mages in check" because of security, Chant of Light and Blight is just bullshit now, no ? Especially when we see that the Seekers can essentially do what the Templars do without being addicted to lyrium.  

 

Sure, Andraste said "Magic is to serve man but to never rule over him"...I do not recall her saying "Magic is to be regulated by addicting people to lyrium"

 

3) This also means that the Chantry is, in many ways, indirectly responsible for the creation of the Red Templars. If they had trained the templars to not be addicted to lyrium, then perhaps the Templars would not have bothered to find another source of lyrium such as Red Lyrium to use.

 

4) Clash between Seekers and Templars. I am surprised this has not happened in large numbers because of this. You would think a group of people who got addicted to lyrium would be really mad at another group who can do everything they do without the addiction. However, I suppose, this conflict can be seen with the emergence of Red Templars. 

 

Thoughts & Comments ? 

[raging_monkey]

I was a moderate when it came to mage and chantry issues but now im all for dismantlment of the group(templars im fine with) but the chantry must go. Join me my friends we will have freedom templar or mage

[katerinafm]

I'd just like a clarification on the templar abilities. Alistair used lyrium in the comics (confirmed not a mistake by Gaider) because he said that his abilities wore off or something and he had to use lyrium to get them back (I could be wrong). So is Cass the same or do the Seekers really have a better method that gets them to have all those abilities without ever needing lyrium?

 

The implications of the Chantry making templars use lyrium are unpleasant. However it could not simply be them wanting to control them, but could mostly be out of fear for the mages and wanting to have an affective way to combat them no matter the cost.

[Icy Magebane]

This news caused me to lose all faith in the Chantry.  A sad day indeed.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I was a moderate when it came to mage and chantry issues but now im all for dismantlment of the group(templars im fine with) but the chantry must go. Join me my friends we will have freedom templar or mage

 

When I read that blurb...I will provide it here...

 

 

At 1:15 - 1:18

 

This is what the blurb for Templar specialization says

 

 

Long ago, the Seekers of Truth founded the Templar Order and taught them how to deal with hostile mages and their spells. Cassandra thus possesses all of a Templar's abilities, without the risk of lyrium addiction. 

 

The Seekers founded the Templar Order but the conveniently forgot to teach the Templars how to not get addicted to Lyrium. Then there is the Chantry which was okay with this all this time. I mean we did not see ANY Chantry members speaking about how Templars get screwed. 

 

"All those who gain power are afraid to lose it" Evidently the Seekers found out how to deal with magic without lyrium addiction but refused to share it because they wanted to keep the monopoly of that technique all to themselves.

 

For those who do not know, I am pro-mage and anti-Templar. But after reading that, I am anti-Chantry, anti-Seeker, pro- Mage and neutral-Templar. 

 

The Chantry is either going down permanently or having its power really curtailed by my Inquisition. 

[raging_monkey]

The fires of freedom will burn until the chantry is toppled

[Ryzaki]

This news caused me to lose all faith in the Chantry.  A sad day indeed.

 

Same. I was more on the "people do crappy things but they must be done" before this.

 

But now? Screw em.

[jlb524]

The Chantry sucks.

 

News at 11.

[Br3admax]

I'll wait until I actually see the details from DA:I, tbh. Seekers are hella douchecanoe, but I'm not going to jump on the Chantry as a whole. Not when they're so important to Thedas.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Maybe the Seeker alternative is a lot more dangerous or difficult to accomplish. After all they only recruit the best of even the Templars to join their ranks, similar to how the Wardens look for the best since they are the most likely to survive the Joining.

The use of Lyrium could basically be a way to mass produce the results and not have a lot of the potential recruits get injured or killed. 

[Steelcan]

I doubt its as simple as that

 

I'm sure there is some reason why templars have to use lyrium and Seekers don't

 

 

 

however, since this a BioWare game I have little confidence the answer will be satisfactory

[AresKeith]

I'm gonna wait till the game comes out before making a full judgement 

[Lieutenant Kurin]

I'd just like a clarification on the templar abilities. Alistair used lyrium in the comics (confirmed not a mistake by Gaider) because he said that his abilities wore off or something and he had to use lyrium to get them back (I could be wrong). So is Cass the same or do the Seekers really have a better method that gets them to have all those abilities without ever needing lyrium?

 

The implications of the Chantry making templars use lyrium are unpleasant. However it could not simply be them wanting to control them, but could mostly be out of fear for the mages and wanting to have an affective way to combat them no matter the cost.

They may still use lyrium, by refining it differently, or making potions that eliminate the side effects of taking lyrium. If it is something like that, they just elected not to share it with their Templar brethren. Templar recruitment is catch-all while a Seeker's is by special selection, so maybe they decided that lyrium powers without negative side-effects was too high a power for the Templars. OR the special selection process requires a 'genetic' predisposition to survive imbibing lyrium without side effects.

 

Same. I was more on the "people do crappy things but they must be done" before this.

 

But now? Screw em.

 

Oh the Chantry has been corrupt for so long in my mind... since Origins I was like "sorry Leliana, but if this is all your Maker's wish, then your Maker is a total ass." I think this a bit more of a 'man-made' fault though.

[Icy Magebane]

I'm gonna wait till the game comes out before making a full judgement 

Even if I can't think of a way for this to be justified, I guess there's no harm in withholding judgement.  We'll have the full story in a little over a month anyway.

[The Baconer]

If it is something like that, they just elected not to share it with their Templar brethren. Templar recruitment is catch-all while a Seeker's is by special selection, so maybe they decided that lyrium powers without negative side-effects was too high a power for the Templars.

 

Better not be the case if they want to survive as an organization.

[AresKeith]

Even if I don't see a way for this to be justified, I guess there's no harm in withholding judgement.  We'll have the full story in a little over a month anyway.

 

It's like what Kallen said earlier, what if the Seekers method is more dangerous since they only recruit the best of the Templars along with some non-Templars 

[Steelcan]

The Chantry isn't going to be destroyed in Inquisition

[Br3admax]

I doubt its as simple as that

 

I'm sure there is some reason why templars have to use lyrium and Seekers don't

 

 

 

however, since this a BioWare game I have little confidence the answer will be satisfactory

"That line in her spec wasn't actually supposed to be in game; we just recorded all the dialogue as an idea and forgot to cut it..."

[SgtSteel91]

I want so see what this Seeker method is. I was turned off from the Templar spec because of the Lyrium Addiction but I may change my mind with this new info.

[dragonflight288]

Even if I can't think of a way for this to be justified, I guess there's no harm in withholding judgement.  We'll have the full story in a little over a month anyway.

 

We can withhold judgement, sure. 

 

But even then, the fact that there is a way to use templar talents without the need for the lyrium addiction, no matter how it is sliced, makes the Chantry who runs the Lyrium, trade, and its leader is the one the Seekers who are not addicted to lyrium report to, has been doing this for centuries......

 

I can't think of a single way for this to look good. 

 

I can keep from making a bunch of "BURN THEM" comments, but my opinion of the Chantry, which was already relatively low, has dropped. 

[Icy Magebane]

It's like what Kallen said earlier, what if the Seekers method is more dangerous since they only recruit the best of the Templars along with some non-Templars 

Anything's possible I suppose... I hope there is some kind of justification I can get behind, even if I don't see it right now... lol...  I doubt it though.  

 

It just seems odd that they decided to retcon this twice now.  I mean, this is basically what Alistair told us in DA:O but for some reason they felt the need to overturn that... and now they're going back to the original story. 

[dragonflight288]

The Chantry isn't going to be destroyed in Inquisition

 

Just all its leaders at the beginning. 

[AresKeith]

Anything's possible I suppose... I hope there is some kind of justification I can get behind, even if I don't see it right now... lol...  I doubt it though.  

 

It just seems odd that they decided to retcon this twice now.  I mean, this is basically what Alistair told us in DA:O but for some reason they felt the need to overturn that... and now they're going back to the original story. 

 

The retcon to what Alistair said is still there, just because the Seekers are different doesn't change that bit of info

[Steelcan]

It just seems odd that they decided to retcon this twice now.  I mean, this is basically what Alistair told us in DA:O but for some reason they felt the need to overturn that... and now they're going back to the original story. 

this is BioWare my good sir, retcons, retcons for everyone

[Steelcan]

Just all its leaders at the beginning. 

But there is no reason to suspect that the faith itself will be sundered