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[AresKeith]

Bioware is messing up.... alot recently i mean what else are they gonna retcon? Tevinter is actually decent!, dwarves can do magic to x extent?.... its like they cant get their lore book together

 

Overreacting much

[raging_monkey]

Overreacting much

i was trying to be funny. Thing to know about me... i rarely rage and if it sounds harsh or mean im normally playfully teasing or stating a harmless opinion

[Icy Magebane]

I am already not very fond of Pentaghast but this whole Seeker thing might seal the deal for me on not liking her full stop. She certainly will have to answer for the Seekers' abilities. 

I am not going to go as far as saying she needs to answer for it, since my initial Dalish PC really isn't that involved with the Chantry or Templars in the first place, but I can see him being disgusted by this.  It seems as though my Inquisitors may wind up following the "forever alone" tradition set by Hawke... (edit:  well, the straight males at least...)

[AresKeith]

i was trying to be funny. Thing to know about me... i rarely rage and if it sounds harsh or mean im normally playfully teasing or stating a harmless opinion

 

Ah ok, hard to tell on BSN these days 

[raging_monkey]

Ah ok, hard to tell on BSN these days

ive only truly raged once here and that was with the warden not returning in person(over it but extremly wary) any other time im a bundle of sunshine and dirty jokes lol

[Hanako Ikezawa]

  In Asunder, there was a passage where Cole sensed a frightening power in Lord Seeker Lambert that was different from every Templar he'd ever met. It's possible that the Seekers have some alternate, sinister source of anti-magical powers that is either too dangerous or too morally dubious for every Templar to use, thus the reliance on lyrium.

 

    Admittedly, it would have to be pretty evil to justify using a toxic, mind-altering drug as the best alternative.

I always saw that as more foreshadowing Lambert as one of the Agents of Chaos Bioware has talked about.

 

 

I am not going to go as far as saying she needs to answer for it, since my initial Dalish PC really isn't that involved with the Chantry or Templars in the first place, but I can see him being disgusted by this.  It seems as though my Inquisitors may wind up following the "forever alone" tradition set by Hawke...   (edit:  well, the straight males at least...)

What about Josephine? 

[Icy Magebane]

What about Josephine? 

 

Hm... she's not really doing it for me, but she might have an interesting personality, so I will at least keep an open mind about it.  Having a non-party member romance might be a refreshing change.

[Steelcan]

Hm... she's not really doing it for me, but she might have an interesting personality, so I will at least keep an open mind about it.  Having a non-party member romance might be a refreshing change.

Kelly, STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE, Traynor?

[Icy Magebane]

Kelly, STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE, Traynor?

Eh... I dodged a bullet and didn't play ME3.  Luckily the game glitched on me so I returned it... I've seen enough youtube videos of it to know I would have hated that game.

[AresKeith]

Kelly, STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE, Traynor?

 

Well Josephine and Cullen are getting more content than them

[Steelcan]

Well Josephine and Cullen are getting more content than them

so they say

[Daerog]

Okay... there is no evidence that shows that the Chantry knows about this. It could just be a Seeker secret. So, I don't see how this is an evil move by the Chantry.

 

It's not like they say it isn't addictive. The Templars know what they are getting into when they accept being a Templar.

 

What is stupid is that whatever the Seekers do, they are not having the Templars be a part of it. Maybe it is because the Templars need lyrium to be better at being anti-magic than Seekers... maybe...

 

If the Seekers kept it secret from the Templars, they likely kept it from the Chantry as well. If they didn't keep it secret, then all involved know this and no Templars are complaining for some reason.

 

 

But hey, jump to conclusions and damn the Chantry with speculation. The Imperial Chantry can then take over! Woohoo!

[The Ascendant]

Remember that the Seekers and the Templars were the original Inquision who existed before the Chantry and only agreed towork with them in a mutually beneficial arrangement. I imagine that the Seekers have kept secrets from the Chantry and only taught some of their secrets to maintain a sense of leverage over the Chantry. With the Nevarran Accord broken, the Seekers and Templars are under no obligation to serve the Chantry and the Divine. Seeing as Cassandra and Cullen joined the Inquisition shows that not all Templars and Seekers are as radical as Lambert and Meredith.

[john-in-france]

The real question is...how many members of the Templar order were addicted to Lyrium deliberately when they could have used their powers without it? Since Seekers were known to be drawn from the strongest Templar for recruitment in the wiki. So we really go back to the use of lyrium to control Templar, and boost weaker natural talent?

 

Also if you play mage origin in DAO and keep clicking on Irving for information he will say that the strongest Templar come from the union of a mage and a normal person. It is quite likely that Alistair had he continued his recruit training may never have needed lyrium, since his mother is Fiona, an ex-grey warden mage, and his father Maric.

[EmperorSahlertz]

God ****** dammit... Do I really also have to point out in this thread, that it is, for all we know, only CASSANDRA who is immune to Lyrium addiction (for whatever reason), and people are just jumping to conclusions?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

God ****** dammit... Do I really also have to point out in this thread, that it is, for all we know, only CASSANDRA who is immune to Lyrium addiction (for whatever reason), and people are just jumping to conclusions?

 

Read the blurb description dearie...It says Seekers are immune not just Cassandra. 

[Milan92]

*Inb4 Cass is a mary sue.*

[Bayonet Hipshot]

*Inb4 Cass is a mary sue.*

 

Implying that she isn't one ? She is. 

[Milan92]

Implying that she isn't one ? She is. 

 

Okay. Want to explain why she is one?

[themageguy]

Yeah to be honest this kind of bugs me, more so because i do not know the context behind it.

When i read what Cole sensed in Lambert, i took it literally as that Cole did in fact sense dark power within him.

Perhaps this can be attributed to the Seekers able to use techniques shared with Templars without the need for lyrium.

The lore behind this may even encourage ne to play a templar inquisitor. I always kinda figured a templar inquisitor could probably draw power from their mark.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Read the blurb description dearie...It says Seekers are immune not just Cassandra. 

No... It does not.... And frankly I am a little appalled at the amount of people on BSN that suddenly lack basic reading comprehension....

 

It reads:

"Long ago the Seekers of Truth founded the Templar Order and taught them how to hostile mages and their spells. Cassandra thus possesses all of a Templar's abilities, without the risk of Lyrium addiction"

NOWHERE in that blurb does it say Seekers doesn't have a risk for Lyrium addiciton. It says CASSANDRA doesn't have the risk. Until we have more information THAT is what we have to go on. People are just jumping to conclusions.

[TTTX]

No... It does not.... And frankly I am a little appalled at the amount of people on BSN that suddenly lack basic reading comprehension....

 

It reads:

"Long ago the Seekers of Truth founded the Templar Order and taught them how to hostile mages and their spells. Cassandra thus possesses all of a Templar's abilities, without the risk of Lyrium addiction"

NOWHERE in that blurb does it say Seekers doesn't have a risk for Lyrium addiciton. It says CASSANDRA doesn't have the risk. Until we have more information THAT is what we have to go on. People are just jumping to conclusions.

The way I understand it, Cassandra can't have lyrium addiction because she is a Seeker.

[Master Warder Z_]

The way I understand it, Cassandra can't have lyrium addiction because she is a Seeker.

Or her blood or magical brain surgery or Maker knows what else.

[Patchwork]

Ignoring all the retcons for a moment and just going off the information in DAO I could see this being explained as early templar training flags up the recruits who will be able to learn and use anti-magic abilities without lyrium and they become Seeker candidates. Everyone else is out of luck and they become addicts. 

 

Alistair could have been one of the few who could use templar abilities without lyrium but he got lazy, occupied with king stuff didn't keep up with his mediations and later in life had to start downing the blue stuff. I haven't read the comics so I don't know if that contradicts the new lore or not.

 

I assume we'll learn more about Seekers from Cassandra but I guess the Inquisitor being able to learn non-lyrium templar style is due to pc's special snowflakeism.  

[themageguy]

Yeah it hopefully will be addressed in game or at least in the world of thedas volume 2