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[Master Warder Z_]

Does anyone know who wrote the bio?

Because a thought occurs to me.

The last retcon was WOG is this one?

[azarhal]

 If Seekers can use Templar abilities without lyrium, then I bet that the Inquisitor will be taught the Templar spec by a Seeker. That way, they don't have to worry about the PC's lyrium use/addiction. I kind of want to see Cullen/other Inquisition Templars' reaction to that.

 

The Inquisitor has a connection to the Fade, it already grant him/her magical powers. One of which is causing rift to "explode" and hurt demons like a AoE Holy Smite. They already have their wait out of Lyrium addiction. 

[themageguy]

Does anyone know who wrote the bio?

Because a thought occurs to me.

The last retcon was WOG is this one?

No idea.

I really wish Mike, Allan or Gaider could clarify it for us all.

Even something along the lines of ' Seekers do things a little differently than Templars...you will just have to to talk to Cass about it " would totally ease concerns, and brew up some hype for a spec that should see alot of use in a game full of demons.

[themageguy]

The real question is...how many members of the Templar order were addicted to Lyrium deliberately when they could have used their powers without it? Since Seekers were known to be drawn from the strongest Templar for recruitment in the wiki. So we really go back to the use of lyrium to control Templar, and boost weaker natural talent?

Also if you play mage origin in DAO and keep clicking on Irving for information he will say that the strongest Templar come from the union of a mage and a normal person. It is quite likely that Alistair had he continued his recruit training may never have needed lyrium, since his mother is Fiona, an ex-grey warden mage, and his father Maric.

He said that? No way that's awesome

[Iakus]

Yeah it hopefully will be addressed in game or at least in the world of thedas volume 2

Blood magic ?

[TK514]

Withholding judgement until I see if this line even makes it into the final version, and what the explanation is if it does.

[Hellion Rex]

No... It does not.... And frankly I am a little appalled at the amount of people on BSN that suddenly lack basic reading comprehension....

 

It reads:

"Long ago the Seekers of Truth founded the Templar Order and taught them how to hostile mages and their spells. Cassandra thus possesses all of a Templar's abilities, without the risk of Lyrium addiction"

NOWHERE in that blurb does it say Seekers doesn't have a risk for Lyrium addiciton. It says CASSANDRA doesn't have the risk. Until we have more information THAT is what we have to go on. People are just jumping to conclusions.

At the moment, I think either she takes the lyrium and knows how to circumvent the addiction or the Seekers may have found a way around the need for lyrium altogether.

 

Either way, I'm really happy she has templar powers.

[Icy Magebane]

At the moment, I think either she takes the lyrium and knows how to circumvent the addiction or the Seekers may have found a way around the need for lyrium altogether.

 

Either way, I'm really happy she has templar powers.

Out of curiosity, why is that?

[Hellion Rex]

Out of curiosity, why is that?

I just think they're cool. Anti-magic abilities have always interested me.

[ComedicSociopathy]

So is it confirmed yet? Chantry leadership just a giant bag of phallic reproductive organs, because it certainty looks that way to me.

 

While we don't know how Seekers avoid addiction to Lyrium, I think it is fair to say that the Templars should have been given the information on how to do so as well, and the only reason for why not is because the Chantry just wanted an army of drug addicted knights. Which to be fair, I'm fairly sure every major power in Thedas would do the same thing as well, it still doesn't make it any less wrong. 

[Icy Magebane]

I just think they're cool. Anti-magic abilities have always interested me.

Well, I can't argue with that...   Too bad the mage anti-magic spell is limited to Dispel this time.  Anti-magic Ward was great for trolling Gaxkang in DA:O.

[Lukas Kristjanson]

No idea.

I really wish Mike, Allan or Gaider could clarify it for us all.

Even something along the lines of ' Seekers do things a little differently than Templars...you will just have to to talk to Cass about it " would totally ease concerns, and brew up some hype for a spec that should see alot of use in a game full of demons.

Okay. I hereby proclaim the following: Seekers do things a little differently than Templars...you will just have to to talk to Cass about it.

 

Is that not assumed with any and all of our followers and their individual weirdy bits? It's kind of what we do.

[Br3admax]

Jumping to conclusions is what we do. 

[themageguy]

Okay. I hereby proclaim the following: Seekers do things a little differently than Templars...you will just have to to talk to Cass about it.

Is that not assumed with any and all of our followers and their individual weirdy bits? It's kind of what we do.

Thanks Lukas

The Seekers just got a whole lot more interesting.

I was already interested in Cass.....now we can talk about seeker stuff too.

[dragonflight288]

Okay. I hereby proclaim the following: Seekers do things a little differently than Templars...you will just have to to talk to Cass about it.

 

Is that not assumed with any and all of our followers and their individual weirdy bits? It's kind of what we do.

 

 

Thanks for that. 

 

So now it's confirmed that it isn't that Cassandra is special, it's because she's a Seeker, and they have access to Templar Talents without the lyrium addiction because they do things differently than templars. 

 

Thank you Lukas. 

[Icy Magebane]

Thanks for that. 

 

So now it's confirmed that it isn't that Cassandra is special, it's because she's a Seeker, and they have access to Templar Talents without the lyrium addiction because they do things differently than templars. 

 

Thank you Lukas. 

Isn't this pretty much what we've been saying though?

[dragonflight288]

Isn't this pretty much what we've been saying though?

 

Pretty much. Some people simply can't take it as it says though. 

[AresKeith]

Isn't this pretty much what we've been saying though?

 

... We also said Seekers probably have a different method

[Icy Magebane]

... We also said Seekers probably have a different method

What part of "that they do not tell the Templars about" do you not understand?  Or do you think that's okay?

[dragonflight288]

... We also said Seekers probably have a different method

 

Which only goes to show you don't need lyrium addiction in order to use templar talents, and the templars don't know about it. 

 

Nothing contradictory to what we've been saying. 

[TK514]

What part of "that they do not tell the Templars about" do you not understand?  Or do you think that's okay?

 

Because neither the bio nor Lukas said that.  Both said they do things differently.  Not what or why.  It's entirely possible that the Templars know what it is, and simply aren't capable as a group of making use of it.

[Icy Magebane]

Because neither the bio nor Lukas said that.  Both said they do things differently.  Not what or why.  It's entirely possible that the Templars know what it is, and simply aren't capable as a group of making use of it.

I see.  Well, I guess I'll just have to wait until DA:I to know the full story then.

 

I must say, however, that the idea that the Templars have known about this for centuries (or whatever hypothetical length of time you wish to use) but that we're only hearing about it now seems pretty absurd.  You'd think that at some point it would have been brought up during a conversation or mentioned in a codex entry, but with all the retcons it's probably hard to keep track of which lore we're going with at any given time.  All I'm really hearing is a lot of grasping at straws, but like I said, we'll know in November whether the Chantry and Seekers have clean hands or not.  I'm guessing not.

[The Baconer]

It's entirely possible that the Templars know what it is, and simply aren't capable as a group of making use of it.

 

I could see veteran and/or higher-up Templars knowing about it, but Templars in general knowing about it would be... rather poor form.

[Helios969]

Just all its leaders at the beginning.

That may be a good for the chantry since all the ruthless political shark-types will be eliminated.

[TK514]

I see.  Well, I guess I'll just have to wait until DA:I to know the full story then.

 

I must say, however, that the idea that the Templars have known about this for centuries (or whatever hypothetical length of time you wish to use) but that we're only hearing about it now seems pretty absurd.  You'd think that at some point it would have been brought up during a conversation or mentioned in a codex entry, but with all the retcons it's probably hard to keep track of which lore we're going with at any given time.  All I'm really hearing is a lot of grasping at straws, but like I said, we'll know in November whether the Chantry and Seekers have clean hands or not.  I'm guessing not.

 

 

I could see veteran and/or higher-up Templars knowing about it, but Templars in general knowing about it would be... rather poor form.

 

 

Agreed on both counts.