And who decides that RPG requires attributes to begin with?
You do?
It's apparent that BioWare is taking a different approach to stats. Quit comparing it to other games, even its predecessors.
People who have played alot of rpgs. If I make a platform game and stick an rpg label on it, it wouldn't be an rpg. Not saying DA:I isn't an rpg, though. It is. But its an rpg-light at this point.
You'd rather she were dependent on level to get certain attributes?I want my character to not have to be dependent on gear in order to get certain attributes.
The character gains the spell from studying magic.
You import Necromancy books from Nevarra to Skyhold and consequently gain access to more Necromancy spells.
You pick a Necromancy ability from your spellbook.
Difference? I see none, except the medium through which your character develops. The former actually makes more sense. How do you learn necromancy out of thin air?
I don't think people here are calling it "easy" but they are saying it's been dumbed down.
While they are right that some aspects have been simplified, they conveniently forget that the game has been expanded in other areas.
No they have said it has been improved in other areas. But that doesn't change the fact that this bit, the topic of the thread, has been overly simplified.
Every in-game decision can be made from an in-character perspective.
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So not being able to put points into different attributes is a trivial thing even though it is vital for an RPG game? Okay.
Here's the thing with attributes. You either have them or you don't. You don't just dangle it around and not let the players access it.
Mass Effect and Skyrim did away with attributes and they did well. DA:I still has them but we are not in control of them ?
No they have said it has been improved in other areas. But that doesn't change the fact that this bit, the topic of the thread, has been overly simplified.
I wouldn't use "overly" now.
The fluff has been cut out. If you find the fluff necessary, then might I remind you that this new game is now designed and balanced in a way that does not require the fluff.
Every in-game decision can be made from an in-character perspective.
That's roleplaying.
That's what I'm saying. Even deciding that your base should be covered in Orlesian wallpaper is roleplaying.
Every in-game decision can be made from an in-character perspective.
That's roleplaying.
Sylvius, these people do not apparently know what roleplaying is. To them there is only powergaming.
You import Necromancy books from Nevarra to Skyhold and consequently gain access to more Necromancy spells.
You pick a Necromancy ability from your spellbook.
Difference? I see none, except the medium through which your character develops. The former actually makes more sense. How do you learn necromancy out of thin air?
Because the mage has to study the spell to learn it. And you don't need spellbooks in DA, you use spellpoints. The games have been clear on this from the start. So the former makes the least sense. If the former was the case you would be able to buy spells.
Every in-game decision can be made from an in-character perspective.
That's roleplaying.
You can imagine everything in a roleplaying game to be done in-character. I, however, create a barrier between the two aspects of the game.
The actual game and then the roleplaying. I'll play the game part as a...game? Roleplay the rest. My imagination can run wild on how I "ACTUALLY" defeated those troops/dragon/Spaghetti monster.
Sylvius, these people do not apparently know what roleplaying is. To them there is only powergaming.
Nice strawman. Do you have more for sale?
The fluff had already been cut out. Too much of it, I would argue. That's what classes are.I wouldn't use "overly" now.
The fluff has been cut out.
Here's the thing with attributes. You either have them or you don't. You don't just dangle it around and not let the players access it.
Mass Effect and Skyrim did away with attributes and they did well. DA:I still has them but we are not in control of them ?
I think it's pretty common to have non-chosen attributes in MMOs
That's what I'm saying. Even deciding that your base should be covered in Orlesian wallpaper is roleplaying.
So having our attributes auto-leveled for us is roleplaying ? How do you roleplay auto-leveling attributes exactly ? Just curious to know...
I wouldn't use "overly" now.
The fluff has been cut out. If you find the fluff necessary, then might I remind you that this new game is now designed and balanced in a way that does not require the fluff.
Then how much more do you think this aspect can possibly be simplified? The game picks the stats for you. Can't get any simpler than that.
I think it's pretty common to have non-chosen attributes in MMOs
Yeah but those are MMOs. They are MMOs for a reason. This isn't, though with all the flash and restrictions it seems to be heading that way.
That's a conflicting interest. What is the challenge you talk about? Beating the game with a non viable combination?
If you can beat the game with a bad build, then imagine what happens when you have a good one.
Bad gameplay is doing anything and winning. That's why most modern games suck. That's the definition of hand holding.
You just answered your own question.Some of us like using unconventional builds and sets to put extra challenges on ourselves.It's no different than going on a no alert/no kill run in MGS using nothing but the tranq gun and cardboard box.
The fact that this is unthinkable to some people really boggles the mind.Have any of you ever did self imposed challenges in games before?
The fluff had already been cut out. Too much of it, I would argue. That's what classes are.
Regarding classes, I'm a huge fan of hybridization. DAI doesn't offer that option so I'll just roleplay my character in a way that's allowed.
So having our attributes auto-leveled for us is roleplaying ? How do you roleplay auto-leveling attributes exactly ? Just curious to know...
Gee, I'm a warrior. I spend all day hitting things with a great big sword. Maybe, as the day wears on, my muscles will adapt and become stronger to better wield the sword.
Just a thought.
You just answered your own question.Some of us like using unconventional builds and sets to put extra challenges on ourselves.It's no different that going on a no alert/no kill run in MGS using nothing but the tranq gun and cardboard box.
The fact that this is unthinkable to people really boggles the mind.Have any of you ever did self imposed challenges in games before?
There's "Casual" and "Normal" for unconventional builds.
Then how much more do you think this aspect can possibly be simplified? The game picks the stats for you. Can't get any simpler than that.
This. Evidently this point somehow escapes people. The game is TOO simplified as it is.
& yes you can make a simplified game that is hard. Ever played mobile games before ? They are easy but can be annoyingly frustrating and challenging.
*never thought I would compare a Bioware RPG to a mobile game but well...*
How can we know then whether the character wins the fight?You can imagine everything in a roleplaying game to be done in-character. I, however, create a barrier between the two aspects of the game.
The actual game and then the roleplaying. I'll play the game part as a...game? A roleplay the rest. My imagination can run wild on how I "ACTUALLY" defeated those troops/dragon/Spaghetti monster.
I actually like this, as long as we get to pick the stat distribution at character creation like in Baldur's Gate. I tend to min/max anyway when I spend points on level ups. (If you gave anything else than STR to your two-hander in DA:O, you were doing it wrong.)
From what I've heard there won't be stat distribution at the beginning.
Sylvius, these people do not apparently know what roleplaying is. To them there is only powergaming.
According to you, roleplaying is using the medium the game provides to create the character in the context of last century's rpgs.
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