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[Br3admax]

Pretty much anyone not a human or qunari is on the decline. Elves may outnumber humans in the Dales, but everywhere else they're forgettable and packable as lunchmeat. Celene isn't doing them any favors either. 

[TK514]

Via calamity, the underground dwarves.  Surface dwarves are welcome everywhere, can interbreed, and can thrive in human societies.

 

If things keep going the way they are?  The elves.  Saying things like 'there are more elves than humans in the Dales' is like saying 'there are more elves than humans in the alienage'.  It's meaningless given the massive disparity outside those areas.  Every clan that succumbs to accident or abomination is irreplaceable.  Every elf that has children with a non-elf produces a non-elf.  The reforms Celene was initially pushing on Briala's behalf, with the end goal of elves being seen as equal citizen and just as worthy as human Orlesians?  That would have led to greater integration of the two peoples, leading to greater chances of intermarriage, which is pretty much a one way trip to extinction for the elves.

 

Which is an amusing bit of irony, really.

[umadcommander]

the elves ofc, they are pretty screwed

[vertigomez]

Alright. So if the dwarves are goners, what exactly is it gonna take to bring down Orzammar? If Razikale and Lusacan are destroyed.. will the dwarves finally be safe? I was never clear on what's supposed to happen when the final Archedemon wakes up.

[myahele]

It's speculated that the darkspawn will be more self-aware/ intelligent due to not hearing the maddening call of the old gods. Either way, darkspawn will always exist since surfacers don't care much for underground folks.

[TK514]

Alright. So if the dwarves are goners, what exactly is it gonna take to bring down Orzammar? If Razikale and Lusacan are destroyed.. will the dwarves finally be safe? I was never clear on what's supposed to happen when the final Archedemon wakes up.

 

Honestly, I have no problem envisioning the death of the last Old God as the beginning of the neverending Blight.  With no drive to continue digging for the Old Gods, there's nothing preventing the Darkspawn from surfacing en masse, setting up Blighted enclaves in the remote places of the world and expanding ever outwards from there.

[Sir Froggie]

Honestly, I have no problem envisioning the death of the last Old God as the beginning of the neverending Blight.  With no drive to continue digging for the Old Gods, there's nothing preventing the Darkspawn from surfacing en masse, setting up Blighted enclaves in the remote places of the world and expanding ever outwards from there.

At which point the humans will likely be next on the endangered species list.

[Who Knows]

Dwarves.

 

Elves are in no danger to die out as a species; they've been coquered for 700 years, yet they make up the vast majority in the Dales.

Elven culture however, is in danger, Dalish efforts to preserve scraps of lore can only go so far.

I think there will remain a distinct "elven" culture as long as the elves are treated second class. So far as the ancient elven culture, though...yes, that is in danger.

[StrangeStrategy]

Elves, because most of them end up with humans and having human children. Dwarves at least have half-dwarf children.

 

Akhenaten was an Egyptian pharaoh who completely changed Egyptian society by changing their religion from polytheism to monotheism. It was a huge change for everyone, and many people (Lower and upper class especially) resented him for it, especially the priests who lost power when their gods were denounced.

After Akhenaten died, society reverted to polytheism and the Egyptians strove to erase him from history. They tore down his temples to Aten, abandoned his city, and struck his name from the records.

My point is, Bhelen can make all the changes he wants but it will all go down the toilet if someone does not continue his line. If he was assassinated, or if his child and wife were after, who would continue his work? The Assembly would nominate another traditional king like Harrowmont and Orzammar would get back on its old rusty track.

 

And yeah, I know I'm not supposed to mention IRL history in the forums but what use is Grade 12 History if I can't use it to explain points and opinions in discussions

[Br3admax]

How was that relevant to Bhelen, who only a very small minority actually disagree with, with many of the casteless loving him? 

[fhs33721]

How was that relevant to Bhelen, who only a very small minority actually disagree with, with many of the casteless loving him? 

Because that small minority is mostly from the noble caste  that will have influence in the assembly again as soon as Behlen kicks the bucket while the casteless that love him have no political influence whatsoever?

 

Also what is this talk about elves being threatened to die out. The only thing threatened is probably the Dalish culture. City elves are quite numerous. There is an alienage in almost every bigger city and there are elven servants living in estates of the nobles as well. The fact that human+elf=human isn't really an issue in the current situation as cross-species relationships between the two are frowned upon by almost everyone and it isn't very common.

If there isn't an actual apocalypse or a systematic genocide in the near future elves should be just fine (as fine as they can be as second class citizen) for at least another few centuries.

[Br3admax]

Bhelen cleaned house on the nobles. They have no power what so ever against him, and I doubt the people of Orzammar are in a hurry to give it back to them. 

 

Also, there the elves are outnumbered by a vast majority almost everywhere except the Dales.They are by no means numerous. 

[garrusfan1]

if you just count elves,dwarves,qunari,human then dwarves are the closest hands down. But if you are asking if things like dalish elves instead of elves as a whole count then not entirely sure. But dwarves are the fewest in numbers although there cast system is speeding up their low in numbers thing.

[garrusfan1]

elves in general are quite numerous although there are more humans. The only race in true danger is dwarves

[fhs33721]

Bhelen cleaned house on the nobles. They have no power what so ever against him, and I doubt the people of Orzammar are in a hurry to give it back to them. 

Dwarven nobility is a cesspit of snakes and if Behlen dies he better has a heir that is as strong as he is or his political enemies will most likely undo all of his progressive reforms. Also he angered the noble and the warrior caste and if those two work together the people of Orzammar can't do much to prevent them from taking back the lead.

[Todd23]

The darkspawn, if I have anything to say about it.

[garrusfan1]

I think either the Dwarves or the Qunari. The Dwarves are exposed to the Taint constantly, and fight an endless underground war against a race that repopulates itself much faster than the Dwarves can. On the surface, the Qunari and their intended wars against the other races will likely end in them losing too many soldiers. They don't strike me as a very sustainable race, and if they suffer too many reversals, their society will start to collapse by design. Of course they're not in immediate danger, but in the long-term, I can't see the Qunari surviving for too long.

the qunari are supposed to be very well populated. Also due to their cast system or whatever it is only some are sent to fight

[In Exile]

Honestly, I have no problem envisioning the death of the last Old God as the beginning of the neverending Blight.  With no drive to continue digging for the Old Gods, there's nothing preventing the Darkspawn from surfacing en masse, setting up Blighted enclaves in the remote places of the world and expanding ever outwards from there.

 

The difference though is that the darkspawn don't seem to have any coherent strategy or intellect in absence of either the Architect or the archdemons. So while they might massively rush the surface, it's not clear what form that would take, and if it wouldn't literally just be a plants vs. zombies scenario.

[Dean_the_Young]

I think there will remain a distinct "elven" culture as long as the elves are treated second class. So far as the ancient elven culture, though...yes, that is in danger.

 

The ancient elven culture is dead, and has been for over a thousand years. The Dalish are about as representative of Arlathan culture as native americans in the American Indian Wars were of the pre-European disease north american civilizations.

 

About the only major piece of contemporary Dalish culture that might be accurate to Arlathan culture is the mythos, and even that's watered-down oral tradition that's largely devoid of the original ceremony and function that the ancient elves practiced. The rest? We may not know much about Arlathan, but we do know what they weren't: xenophobic nomadic tribals who's primary self-definitions were appealing to history and racial grievances.

 

The shared systems of values, beliefs, and traditions of the Dalish are significantly different from the Dales, let alone Arlathan. It would not be inaccurate to say that, in a technical sense, modern 'elvish' culture is closer to being an invented culture rather than any sort of direct evolution of the original culture.

[Master Warder Z_]

the elves ofc, they are pretty screwed

 

The elves are about like the Human military in Futurama.

 

[fhs33721]

The difference though is that the darkspawn don't seem to have any coherent strategy or intellect in absence of either the Architect or the archdemons. So while they might massively rush the surface, it's not clear what form that would take, and if it wouldn't literally just be a plants vs. zombies scenario.

I'd say it's much more likely that all the Darkspawn become awakened as soon as the last old god dies. After all that was part of the Architects plan in "The calling". Wether that would have catastophic consequences for everyone else is up to debate though.

[Elfyoth]

Elves, especially Elves like our inquisitor, if he or she are Elvhen, cuz no matter with what race they do children and fall in love their child wont be Elf anymore so... Dwarves dont have that prob but as Xili have said Bioware wont kill them before the series are over but techinclly in ingame world its Elves.

[Andreas Amell]

So yeah. Who's kicking the bucket first?

 

What a disturbing question to ask. Are you expecting to commit genocide in Dragon Age?