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[LadyHails]

On that note: a more personal opinion of Flemeth.

 

I love her; she's an amazing character. AND, hello, Kate Melgrew!

 

Also, if she is an Old God (and Old Gods AREN'T demons), I love her even more.

 

Yes, Old Gods came become archdemons, but only if they are found and tainted by darkspawn first (see Awakening for reference if you're unfamiliar. The Architect tells of the song that leads the darkspawn to the Old Gods, which he views as a "never-ending aspiration towards a perfection they can never have, as it is corrupted the instant they touch it.")

 

Also, Flemeth alludes to, in Dragon Age 2, during the flight from Lothering, the Blight being an annoyance. Maybe she's after the return of her rightful place as a god. Maybe she wants to save her brethren from their eventual and fateful corruption. I don't know. Who cares. It's Flemeth, and she's a story enriching character. Show her love.

[Lilaeth]

I do love Flemeth.  I would happily play a game dedicated to her alone.

[BlueMagitek]

I'm not sure why you all are hating on Flemeth.  Truly the horrific sin of saving the protagonist of both main games so far can be forgiven?

 

Edit:

 

This should be "I'm not sure why people kill Flemeth".  I realize a lot of people do like her.

[herkles]

Here is a question regarding the old gods. Back in the Tevinter Imperium days and before the old gods got tainted by the blight and became archdemons, were they good? Did they have good qualities, at least in what ever faith the ancient magisters worshiped.Obviously not know, but what about before the taint. 

[Kradus9]

They weren't tainted, they get tainted when the darkspawn find them.

 

Qualities? According to their titles, they seem to represent a state of being, similiarly to demons. In which case Flemeth would probably be Razikale, 'the Dragon of Mystery'.

However they seem to be extremely careless about mortals and the common good, if they where truly the ones who introduced blood magic into the world.

[Aulis Vaara]

I would like to point out that the Grey Wardens know where the remaining Old Gods are and that if one of them was on the surface, they would certainly pursue it.

[Shahadem]

Wasn't the maker responsible for the Blight? Sure the magisters were the ones who walked into the city, but I highly doubt they walked into the city with the intention of being cursed so they could spread sickness and disease.

 

In that sense, the elven gods are the old gods who will become the archdemons. They were the most powerful dragons who tricked the much smaller humanoids into believing they were gods. If you want to carry this argument even further, the maker himself/herself (Flemeth?) was just another dragon who tricked the other dragons into falling asleep so he/she could become the dominant fake god/dess. But this plan backfired when the ancient magisters messed with magic they didn't understand that created a sickness which was capable of infecting even the ancient sleeping dragons. This is a problem for the last remaining dragon because this sickness is a threat even to him/her and the only way to create a cure for it is to use the purified essence of a dragon that was first infected by the sickness and then cured by it. Hence Flemeth needed to capture the soul of an archdemon inside a baby so that she could create a cure for the blight.

[Shahadem]

They weren't tainted, they get tainted when the darkspawn find them.

 

Qualities? According to their titles, they seem to represent a state of being, similiarly to demons. In which case Flemeth would probably be Razikale, 'the Dragon of Mystery'.

However they seem to be extremely careless about mortals and the common good, if they where truly the ones who introduced blood magic into the world.

 

Nobody introduced blood magic. Blood magic is a natural phenomenon. 

 

But if you think someone deserves blame for allowing blood to function like lyrium, then you have to place blame on the creator who decided that he would design creatures in such a way that their blood would be able to be used to pierce the Veil.

 

One could make the argument that the denizens of the mortal plane are only able to use magic because their blood can pierce the Veil, without their blood having that property they'd all be Muggles.

[Shahadem]

I'm not sure why you all are hating on Flemeth.  Truly the horrific sin of saving the protagonist of both main games so far can be forgiven?

 

Edit:

 

This should be "I'm not sure why people kill Flemeth".  I realize a lot of people do like her.

 

I killed her because I liked her. She was simply getting too big for her britches and needed to be shown she wasn't quite as important, powerful or wise as she fooled herself into thinking she was. Now she knows she's just as fallible as the rest of us.

 

Althought Kreia was way worse in this regard. Nothing she said made her seem wise, it just made her seem like she was as self deluded as the Jedi she despised.

[Declined_Misery]

Morrigan painted Flemeth has a truly evil person but everything we have seen of Flemeth has contradicted this. She has her own set of goals and motivations but i don't think she is the monster Morrigan made her out to be.

 

If it wasn't for Flemeth the blight would have lasted for years but she saved the the wardens in the tower and sent Morrigan with them to make sure they succeded in defeating the Archdemon.

[ShadyKat]

"'Tis Flemeth you should beware of..." 

"She is no blood mage, no abomination...she is not even truly human."

-Morrigan, Witch Hunt

 

I strongly suspect Flemeth is the witch of Qunari legend with whom Calenhad Theirin trades a secret "to learn the ways of power" (Until We Sleep) in order to found Ferelden in 5:42 Exalted 18 years after the Fourth Blight. This would make her instrumental in the founding of Ferelden as well as key to creating a line able to waken dragons by virtue of possessing dragon blood.

 

By the time Flemeth encounters Maric Theirin around 8:96 Blessed, dragons are thought to be extinct and over half of the known Old Gods have been destroyed. She secures from him a promise for his future aid, which turns out to be helping her daughter, Yavana, rouse the still-living, but dormant, dragons (The Silent Grove).

 

When 9:21 Dragon rolls around, we learn from Morrigan that Flemeth's plan to secure the soul of an Old God free from the taint was her reason for saving only the most recently tainted Wardens.  The Old Gods themselves are likely the dragons who ruled the skies in the time before the existence of the Veil (The Silent Grove). 

 

What if Flemeth, herself, is an Old God, forced into hiding through the ages, transferring from body to body, much like an archdemon can hide by transferring from darkspawn to darkspawn unless slain by a Grey Warden? Did she, as Old Gods do (intentionally or not), call to the darkspawn, which would explain their eruption in the Korcari Wilds leading to the Battle of Ostagar? Does she seek to free her imprisoned brethren but is unable to on her own because she risks becoming tainted herself, giving her further motivation to see the Grey Wardens succeed because they have the best chance of eradicating darkspawn?

 

If Flemeth is an Old God who succeeds in returning to eminence, it will give a whole new meaning to the Dragon Age.

The question is, why would anyone trust Morrigan? There has been zero proof that Flemeth is evil or a threat at all. She has literally done nothing but help the player character in every game, and done nothing evil to note. All we have to go on, is the words of Morrigan. The same woman that frowns on helping people, runs off if you don't do the God baby ritual with her and oly looks out for herself. Been saying it for years, Morrigan is the one to watch out for. What is she really up to, and what does she really want?....

[Helios969]

Good, evil; demon, old god - don't care. Flemeth is an awesome and fascinating character. And BTW Morrigan like so many others is just a marionette doll.

[LadyHails]

All I know, is that whatever Flemeth really is (knowing Bioware), it's going to be epic. Flemeth is just one of those characters. Love her or hate her; she's a game changer.

[rda]

Sorry if this has already been covered, but has Kate Mulgrew been confirmed as a VA for Inquisition?

[Reptillius]

See. my biggest issue about Flemeth is assuming that she possesses others/takes others form.  We can't be sure of this.  She even has a small line in DA:O about killing her own daughters but she doesn't make it sound like it was simply from taking over their bodies.

[-TC1989-]

"'Tis Flemeth you should beware of..." 

"She is no blood mage, no abomination...she is not even truly human."

-Morrigan, Witch Hunt

 

 

Fearing Flemeth, or that I should be aware of her, or it.... I'm almost at the point of simply saying "meh" with Flemeth.

 

I... like Flemeth. But hearing her talk after several play through's of DA:O & 2 just tends to wear me out. I almost roll my eyes now hearing her compare herself to.... well anything I guess. She's the whisper just beyond my hearing, or the chill that causes my hair to stand up, the.... whatever. Like I said... I like her, I just wish she would tone that stuff down a bit.

[MACharlie1]

Fearing Flemeth, or that I should be aware of her, or it.... I'm almost at the point of simply saying "meh" with Flemeth.

 

I... like Flemeth. But hearing her talk after several play through's of DA:O & 2 just tends to wear me out. I almost roll my eyes now hearing her compare herself to.... well anything I guess. She's the whisper just beyond my hearing, or the chill that causes my hair to stand up, the.... whatever. Like I said... I like her, I just wish she would tone that stuff down a bit.

I feel like Flemeth does it on purpose. Because she follows up with "Or I'm just an old woman who talks too much". She seems to be playing up the stories and being rather...I want to say sarcastic about it but still somewhat serious? 

[-TC1989-]

I feel like Flemeth does it on purpose. Because she follows up with "Or I'm just an old woman who talks too much". She seems to be playing up the stories and being rather...I want to say sarcastic about it but still somewhat serious? 

 

Yeah that sounds about right. I guess for me it doesn't really hit me with a mysterious, or eerie feeling. The way she keeps it up, just sounds like straight up boasting. Which hey, anyone or thing that can turn into a dragon is worthy of some self praising, but still.... 

[Sylentmana]

I don't think she could be an Old God. They become Archdemons when they come into contact with darkspawn and Flemeth came into physical contact with some in DA2 and wasn't corrupted.

[kalokeri]

RoraM. briefly mentioned that Flemeth may indeed be an Old God... that's where I'm going with this, by the way.

 

If Flemeth's an Old God, then I'm going out of the wimpy little limb and saying she's either Razikale, the Old God of Mystery (because who doesn't think Flemeth is mysterious?) or Lusacan, the Old God of Night (but, I'm leaning more toward Lusacan being the "Elder One" and the Vinatorri being some sort of Old God cultist. Again. Wimpiest Limb Ever.)

 

I agree that Flemeth is an old god, and until recently also was on team Flemeth is Razikale, but there is one major problem with that theory; the gray wardens know the location of the remaining old gods. I think we would have heard if one of them was missing.

 

Anyway this leads to my theory, Flemeth is Toth the dragon of fire and the original OGB. I think the purpose of the OGB plot is not about the significance of Morrigan's baby (since the devs have said his story will not be required) but to give us the idea that the ritual is possible. I believe that Toth is one of the few that does not have a known killer (do we know who killed Dumat?)Think about it, the ritual is her plan not Morrigans. She probably learned it directly from her mother. She may be trying to free her people.

 

So I think she was reborn to become Flemeth of legend and has been body hoping and plotting ever since.

 

Of course Toth was supposed to be male, so that may be a problem.

[Lalaithriel]

Flemeth be Fen'Harel, Fen'Harel (the dread wolf) tricked all the gods into leaving, and was the only god left. (Maker?) So Flemeth is God - *only half Joking*

 

This has always been my favorite theory - a lot of it fits. Fen'Harel was described as being mostly neutral but often benevolent, until he got tired of constantly fixing other people's screw ups. He's described as a shapshifter who played both sides, tricking the gods into being locked into their separate domains. I think the "Old Gods" of the Tevinter were the dragons, the more evil gods of the Dalish, while the Spirits in the fade were the "good" gods, who were locked into the Fade via the Veil somehow. Corripheus says that they were "tricked" into searching for the Golden City, but it was black, after which they were cast out of the fade and the Old Gods were banished via burial in the earth.

 

Over time of course, the Old Gods have been dug up by the darkspawn, and there have been enough tears in the veil and mage possessions that those guys are getting out too, so a more permanent solution needs to be put into motion, or something needs to change in the nature of the gods themselves. I think that's what Flemeth has been working towards.

 

The Masked Empire novel gives a lot more detail about how closely connected to the Fade ancient elves were, building directly in it and traveling there via the Eluvians. I think breaking them/cutting them off was part of "locking them in" as it were, which may have also somehow influenced the longevity of the elves.

 

All speculation, of course, but we'll see!

[octant]

Maybe Flemeth is a living vessel for Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf.

[FaeQueenCory]

People still go on about Flemeth being an Old God???

STILL??????

 

Jeeze.... it's like the fact that she's Betty Crocker is meaningless...

CLEARLY she must be 100% serious and honest about "maybe I am a dragon" and not be trolling people like mad.... cause she never trolls anyone ever.

 

All in all... pretty sure she's just a really old abomination... Cheating death via body jacks and soul fracturing (as well as possible hive-mind with daughters) easily makes one loose their humanity.

Not to mention that there would be 0 reason to create a parallel story to the Flemeth legend when she could have just stated that such tales were bull.

Even being Betty Crocker, there is no reason to do that.

(So I firmly believe that the "real" or "first" Flemeth was the Flemeth of legend... but that scared, little, crafty, power-hungry girl is but a piece of the whole Flemeth now. --and who knows, her desire to see the veil asunder could even boil down to something as simple as wanting to revive Osen--)

[NukeZen]

Flemeth is a powerfull being. The logic suggest she is very ancient dragon, but maby is even more. It's so easy to fall in love with a creature so mysterious.

 

Its aims are the real thing.

 

Godlike might thanks to the dragon form.

Almost unthinkable magical powers.

She have enough power to subdue a nation, by herself alone.

Has the knowledge of a being alive for centuries, if not millennia. For sure she know a lot about almost every aspect of the mortal life, magic and the vail.

Can separate his essence into several parts and spread throughout the world. Which makes her virtually immortal.

 

What could want a being so powerful? What could need a being so powerful? Until now, for her all that we have seen happen in the world was a mere distraction.

 

Is scary.

[SmilesJA]

I don't fear Flemeth! Flemeth fears me!!!!!