It started in Mass Effect.And now every BW game they voicing the hero.
But in old games like DAO and others we had only text and it was great.
I would like to place a request to return to that.Please.
The world moved on.
Keep up.
A big gaming company won't make a bad-non profit decision because of your nostalgia.
I think both Options are fine. I liked my Wardens just as much as my Hawks and I don't feel like any of them had less personality because they weren't voiced. Sure it's nicer to have your character interact with your party members, but there are some problems that a voiceless protagonist wouldn't have. The paraphrasing problem and the limited voices for example. I currently have a female elven inquisitor in mind, but the british voice sounds too harsh and the american one probably too deep to really fit her - if she was voiceless I'd have the perfect voice for her in my head.
I'm glad the main protag has voice. I cannot stand "dead" protagonists, they have no personality. Nothing.
my god what's happend to gamers these days what's wrong with role playing
my god what's happend to gamers these days what's wrong with role playing
Having re-played DAO and DA2 recently, I still prefer the latter's approach. I didn't think I would, but I do.
It's kind of hard to role play when your Warden's response to everything is a dead stare and an expressionless face, especially when every other character is more dynamic.
so you rather have a Hawke 2.o where when you pick a line he/she says something completly diffrent from what that one lines says?
My point is when we had text only it would allow in the game so much more to say.
For example DAO:Five or six choices of phrases.Mass Effect:only three.
I understand that voice files take more place and because of that quality of dialogues suffer.
It's kind of hard to role play when your Warden's response to everything is a dead stare and an expressionless face, especially when every other character is more dynamic.
The "blank paper" look on the PCs face makes it way easier to make up his actual reaction than the display of a predetermined emotion and tone imo.
Which is useless for people who pretend their character is a separate entity from themselves. Hawke is not me; he is the puppet I guide through the game world. I would prefer to see the character's reaction than imagine one of my own.
so you rather have a Hawke 2.o where when you pick a line he/she says something completly diffrent from what that one lines says?
Which is useless for people who imagine the character as a separate entity from themselves. I would prefer to see the character's reaction than imagine one of my own.
I really doubt the diminished choice has got anything to do with the size of the voice files and more with the cost of voice overs.My point is when we had text only it would allow in the game so much more to say.
For example DAO:Five or six choices of phrases.Mass Effect:only three.
I understand that voice files take more place and because of that quality of dialogues suffer.
so you rather have a Hawke 2.o where when you pick a line he/she says something completly diffrent from what that one lines says?
I just like to have as much control over my character as possible. As long as my PC's personality is a product of my Fantasy instead of a given parameter (which is the case for most people who like to play roleplaying games I believe) the blank stare is actually better suited for getting the character "right". At least that's a slight negative about voiced protagonists for me. If you see the inquisitor as a character that bioware created and that you can influence in terms of personality you really wouldn't have much use for a voiceless Protagonist, I guess you're right there.
Never surrender!Mass Effect is actually an older game than DA:O. Also, this ship has sailed.
The only characters I can see as " mine" are characters who give me enough information to RP right. And silent VO in Bioware games doesn't do that because dialogue is unpredictable and confusing, where dialogue has a very clear and specific meaning kept in total bidding from the playe .
I can't remember a single thing my Hawke said. And the only thing I really, vaguely remember from my Shepard isn't even actual lines, but the cringe-worthy tone used to deliver lines when talking with Jacob in ME2.Are you mad?! Sorry to be so vocal about this but... I don't remember a single thing my Warden said. She was a cute elf with big sad eyes, but lack of voice made her into a shell. A very pretty, but boring shell, which I wasn't even sorry to part with. Now Hawke and Shepard on the other hand... I quote those people and my emotional investment in them is a whole lot bigger, one of the reasons being that they had a voice. Voices are needed, however little dialog options they give, I would choose voiced over voiceless any day.
It's vastly different, because one resembles how real world conversations work, and the other doesn't.That's no different than the unpredictable reactions to ambiguous dialogue without VO, because you get insufficient cues as to how the writer read in tone and body language.
I would argue that this makes them poorly written.This fantasy that RPGs were designed to allow people to read in tone has no connection to the design reality. Well written silent dialogue is infused with personality - just look at P:ST or VtM:B
They've explicitly said they did.I think paraphrases are way more unpredictable and confusing than the full lines we got in Origins. Though I'm unsure if I uderstood correctly what you mean by "giving you enough Information to RP" - you're saying that the writers had specific emotions and tone in mind that you dont know when choosing the written lines, right?
I disagree; BioWare dialogue pretty much always broke down into the nice/harsh/investigation lines (with occasional joke option thrown in), something David Gaider and others tend to point out whenever this topic pops up. As such, I never found it any more unpredictable or confusing than the voiced version -- when you have the dialogue provided verbatim and the intended tone is easy to infer the room for confusion is minimal.The only characters I can see as " mine" are characters who give me enough information to RP right. And silent VO in Bioware games doesn't do that because dialogue is unpredictable and confusing, where dialogue has a very clear and specific meaning kept in total bidding from the playe .
It's exactly how DAO and KotOR and NWN and BG worked. The player gets to choose exactly what the PC says. We're choosing from a finite list, but we're choosing.I really don't get why people care for voiceless PCs. The ability to choose exactly what your character says will probably never happen.
I have to disagree, I have grown to much prefer the voiced protagonist over a silent one.
Mass Effect is actually an older game than DA:O. Also, this ship has sailed.
I am glad it has, one of the main points of DA:O I did not like was exactly the lack of Voice over for my hero, it lost character/personality because of the fact that she/he had no voice... in my opinion at least 
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