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[Br3admax]

So what? If they want to blame anyone blame the Orlesian Government for stealing it from the elves to begin with.

The spoils of war are plunder fairly won. They signed over the Dales for their truce. They have no right to it any longer. 

[Vox Draco]

Relocate/resettle elves into the Dales? The Dales are currently mostly occupied by humans, or not? Okay, won't bring real world politics into this thread, and please do not get into argumetns but: it would be like Israel, a neverending source of problems, aggression and instability...

 

I am not really sure though what to do about the "elvish problem" ... it's not so much they do not have a home anymore, but their social standing in Thedas. Viewd as inferior people by humans is what brings all this conflict...just giving the Elves lands might be a short-term solution, but in the long run might hurt more than do good.

 

So as an Inquisitor with a lot of power and influence...promote elven commanders, have them work with humans and "propaganda" how much they contribute to the welfare of ALL people of Thedas. Mix-match humans and elves more in chantry-schools, teach elven lore and history to human children as well...

 

Or, just tell all elves they get the Dales back if they wipe out the Qunari with us...might solve two problems with one evil stroke ...*rubs hands Mr. Burns-style* Excellent...

[Inquisitor Julianos]

Technically the Dalish went to the dales after Arlathan sunk, and who did they displace going to the dales? and... Their still elves... Elves be fracken dangerous.

 

The spoils of war are plunder fairly won. They signed over the Dales for their truce. They have no right to it any longer. 

<-- Spoils of War, History is written by the Victor. Snooze you lose.

[Killdren88]

Gotta love Andrastians. The moment their leader dies, they turn right around and take what was given to the Elves.

[earl of the north]

Are there any Elven farmers? From what I've read the farming villages of Orlais (including the dales) are human villages, so how does the new Elf utopia feed itself the uneducated city elves or the Dalish hunter gathers?

 

Also who in charge, the Dalish Keepers? Do the city elves get any say or do they just exchange one group of human elites with a new elven elite. 

[armoredwolf26]

Even though disgusting orleasian folk live in the dales it would still be wrong to kick them out. And the Dalish have a rule of not staying in the same place for too long anyways.

[Steelcan]

So my options are "hold onto it for Clene/Gaspard" or "Give it to someone to keep it warm for Celene/Gaspard"

[myahele]

Why not? Isn't the Dales primarily elves to begin with? 

 

In the end all of these human nations where once smaller nations that defeated and took land from one another. Not fair but such is life. In thedas and the real world you'll need military might to protect and seize territories

[Steelcan]

Gotta love Andrastians. The moment their leader dies, they turn right around and take what was given to the Elves.

you know after the elves sat out a Blight, burned human towns, and sacked Val Royeaux itself

[earl of the north]

you know after the elves sat out a Blight, burned human towns, and sacked Val Royeaux itself

No, no obvious human propaganda......the elves were busy frolicking and petting bunnys and stuff, when they turned around the dastardly humans had stolen the dales (and most of the elves) and the noble Dalish clans mounted their halla and gave chase. (which is why they are nomadic). 

[SykoWolfPup]

Would I give them back their home?

Yes I would, because I feel its the right thing to do.

Would my Inquisitor do it?

Probably, it would depend on what the catch is. If its possible to return their home without damaging his abilities to protect Thedas then he would.

[atamajakki]

My canon Inquisitor is a Human Templar who is shamelessly racist, so... probably not. I'm hoping the "Freemen of the Dales" we briefly saw in the gameplay footage are essentially Orlesian Bolsheviks and that we can side with them, but if not, I'm going Gaspard all the way.

[TheJediSaint]

Short answer:  Nope

 

Long Answer:

[Patchwork]

Are there any Elven farmers? From what I've read the farming villages of Orlais (including the dales) are human villages, so how does the new Elf utopia feed itself the uneducated city elves or the Dalish hunter gathers?

 

Also who in charge, the Dalish Keepers? Do the city elves get any say or do they just exchange one group of human elites with a new elven elite. 

 

There's probably not many elves who own farms but plenty work on them, and live in barns apparently, so in theory yes some elves could easily be in charge of growing crops while others hunt and gather. 

 

Ideally there would be joint leadership between the Keepers and the city Hahren. The dalish might not like it but the fact is they're out numbered and their culture and tradition are just as important as the dalish ones including whatever knowledge has been recovered from a society long dead.  

[LOLandStuff]

you know after the elves sat out a Blight, burned human towns, and sacked Val Royeaux itself

 

The elves didn't sit out, they were left out. I'm sure they waited for an invitation from the humans to join in the fun. But those shemlens...

Burned a town? I'm sure they were passing through and it's some ****** baker's fault.

Well, those orlisians need to learn how to share.

[Ceoldoren]

Absolutely.

 

Even if I don't play an elf pc I tend to support the elves. Particularly the Dalish. I'll be going Dalish for my first playthrough. So yes, if given a chance I would reclaim the Dales for the elves.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Of course. Though steps would have to be taken to ensure it actually lasts, and I don't believe the non-elves who live in the Dales right now should just be ousted. 

[Aolbain]

I'm having a rather staunch policy against ethnic cleansing, so no.

[New Kid]

Depends if it is already occupied or not. I wouldn't kick people out of their homes.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Bulletproof plan here.

Give the dalish their own land, make a deal with the tevinter which goes so:

1) Tevinter gives the dalish military protection if invaded (No garrison) in addition to the elven standing forces and army
2) The dalish gives 1 out of 6 children to the tevinter in slave tribute

Pillage, plunder etc. only gives a high but singular loot-gain. Constant stream of slaves is a constant and stable high-income gain for the Tevinter. Dalish get their freedom and safety, the tevinter gets a "slave-breeding-farm".

Slaves are selected at random by Tevinter overseers.
 

[LostInReverie19]

I'd give it to the elves, of course. Only my douchebag or ethnocentric Inquisitors probably wouldn't. 

[Aolbain]

Gotta love [Any political entity ever]. The moment their leader dies, they turn right around and take what was given to [Their neighbors].

 

fix'd that for you.

[Steelcan]

fix'd that for you.

furthermore the attack on the Dales came centuries after Andraste died

[Dean_the_Young]

'The elves'? Who are they supposed to be?

 

If you're referring to the self-identified true elves, the Dalish nomads scattered across the continent without any political unity, no thank you. Even without the niceties of Dalish culture, that would be a recipie for a failed state to the detriment of everyone living inside it if political leadership of cities and urban areas is suddenly given to a bunch of nomadic tribals with no experience governing.

 

If you're referring to the City Elves who likely are the majority of the elves of Thedas, not particularly. For one, I'm not clear that any critical mass of them even want an independent kingdom of any sort: most identify politically and culturally with their own country, and the Dales so far has been no different. I'm favorable towards an elven-led province deal, of autonomy and empowerment in the context of the existing kingdoms, but I'm not particularly optimistic about any minority separatism project for some elven fanatics or their sympathizers. Race-based nationalism is a blight on sociesties, and it's a bloody mess that does not need to be repeated.

 

If, for some strange reason, 'the elves' refer to Qunari-of-elven-bloodline... almost certainly not. Such a state would almost certainly not be viable, would be oppressive far beyond the present, and vulnerable to resistance and external intervention. The Qunari would have to offer something so tempting in exchange that I can't imagine what it could possibly be.