Aller au contenu

Photo

What is your perspective on the changes? Share your opinion here.


  • Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre
234 réponses à ce sujet

#126
UniformGreyColor

UniformGreyColor
  • Members
  • 1 455 messages

While I am able to use it, I would have preferred to keep Point & Click movement for the PC over the WASD mechanics. Not having much coordination makes this more problematic for me personally, and characters tend to appear less fluid generally in their actions.

 

Srsly? has this been confirmed? I mix an match the way I get around all the time. I don't see the need for this change. Oh wait another console is king argument.



#127
slimgrin

slimgrin
  • Members
  • 12 485 messages

After the latest vids, the game shows it's much closer to DA2 than I'd previously given it credit for. Not a good thing.


  • Kleon, seraphymon, Neverwinter_Knight77 et 2 autres aiment ceci

#128
Ieldra

Ieldra
  • Members
  • 25 189 messages

We'll have to see whether we have any choice over this in the game.

 

Also, it's plausible that being the Herald of Andraste might actually be an anti-Chantry position. It's not as if people claiming to be the second coming of Jesus are usually in full support of established Christianities. An individual claiming connection to a religious founder is often doing so from a position of critiquing established religious structures, not supporting them.

 

Related example: Would you argue that the Haven dragon cultists in Origins were supporting the Chantry?

My problem is with the religion, not just the organization. Nothing against Andraste the woman, but I dislike the expansionist ideology centered on an authoritarian father figure as a god. I do not want to help spread this faith by wandering around as this "Herald of Andraste".



#129
Xilizhra

Xilizhra
  • Members
  • 30 873 messages

What's the in lore excuse for the pc lacking Bloodmagic again?

Probably keeping it hidden while leading the Inquisition would be too much trouble. I don't entirely begrudge them for removing it, though, because the new health system would make it a gigantic pain.

 

As for my own opinions... I don't like the eight-ability restriction, and I don't like the lack of healing spells or emphasis on barriers. Aside from that, everything looks like it's progressing well.


  • The Hierophant et TheLittleTpot aiment ceci

#130
Sasie

Sasie
  • Members
  • 222 messages

I hope I'm wrong about this but the latest gameplay videos hints the situation is even worse then I feared. I been preparing for a combat system that I probably won't like and a tactical camera that will be almost pointless since the game seems to be designed to be playable without pause. All that would be fine even if annoying as long as the story and characters stayed the same. As many problems as I have with Dragon Age 2 I did like the overall story and act 2 was in many ways better then several parts of Origins.

However what I wasn't prepared for was how heavily the quests seems to have been influenced by the open world. I realise they been told to avoid spoilers but the few quests we see are quite frankly awful. The quests seems to have been taken out of a mmo with finding three hidden items on the map and that's it or kill some random mob or 'gang leader' to advance a quest with no dialog before or after. The conversations they did show that interduced the quests were a shore to sit through and I imagine it's the sort of thing that makes me want to spam escape and just get on with it.

It just seems like rushed design with a bit of mandatory dialog to push us out exploring in the world. It was nothing I ever thought I would see in a Bioware game. Honestly when they said they would make a open world I had hoped for more Gothic styled game and less Skyrim. 


  • Kleon, Neverwinter_Knight77, natalscar et 2 autres aiment ceci

#131
Illyria God King of the Primordium

Illyria God King of the Primordium
  • Members
  • 398 messages

I hope I'm wrong about this but the latest gameplay videos hints the situation is even worse then I feared. I been preparing for a combat system that I probably won't like and a tactical camera that will be almost pointless since the game seems to be designed to be playable without pause. All that would be fine even if annoying as long as the story and characters stayed the same. As many problems as I have with Dragon Age 2 I did like the overall story and act 2 was in many ways better then several parts of Origins.

However what I wasn't prepared for was how heavily the quests seems to have been influenced by the open world. I realise they been told to avoid spoilers but the few quests we see are quite frankly awful. The quests seems to have been taken out of a mmo with finding three hidden items on the map and that's it or kill some random mob or 'gang leader' to advance a quest with no dialog before or after. The conversations they did show that interduced the quests were a shore to sit through and I imagine it's the sort of thing that makes me want to spam escape and just get on with it.

It just seems like rushed design with a bit of mandatory dialog to push us out exploring in the world. It was nothing I ever thought I would see in a Bioware game. Honestly when they said they would make a open world I had hoped for more Gothic styled game and less Skyrim. 

That's strange because that's not the impression I got at all.  I got the impression of a very minor quest with lots of backstory in books and notes around the area which almost every youtuber closed without reading because they were asshats.  I got the impression that what story spoilers (and dialogue) which might have otherwise been included had been cut, similar to the E3 demo, where apparently half the dialogue was removed because lelspoilers.  

 

And finding 3 hidden items hasn't always been a DA quest?  Potions ingredients anyone?  Or the lost Qunari swords?  Topsider?  Seeing the latest Emerald Groves gameplay and complaining about it is like watching someone running through the middle bits of the Deep Roads (Caridin's Cross and Ortash Thaig, I think) and deciding that DAO was a dry hack n slash.  

 

On the other hand its refreshing to see someone who thinks the game will be too easy after a week of sitting through morons who'll find it too hard.  And I'll happily agree that I could easily be wrong - the game is a Schrodinger's cat and I won't know if the drier bits of Emerald Graves were due to cuts, relative lack of importance and lack of context or due to you being right until I try it and find out.  I just don't think it would hurt anyone to be a little more optimistic.  


  • Elhanan, AlanC9, TheLittleTpot et 1 autre aiment ceci

#132
davidselite737

davidselite737
  • Members
  • 88 messages

If I'm not mistaken, there are Dragons.. and it seems I have the ability to fight them or make them (at least one) my friend(s) . So I'm pretty happy  :D Oh and yeah I get to kill pesky mages, a lot it seems  :devil:



#133
UniformGreyColor

UniformGreyColor
  • Members
  • 1 455 messages

If I'm not mistaken, there are Dragons.. and it seems I have the ability to fight them or make them (at least one) my friend(s) . So I'm pretty happy  :D Oh and yeah I get to kill pesky mages, a lot it seems  :devil:

 

You're not saying you get to kill teammate mages in MP are you? :P



#134
slimgrin

slimgrin
  • Members
  • 12 485 messages

It looks like every other Bioware game to me, with larger areas. A good thing, but I see no evidence of them understanding what makes open world appealing.



#135
Morroian

Morroian
  • Members
  • 6 396 messages

For DAI they're keeping a voiced protagonist and are standing by a more action oriented game that was envisioned with the console experience in mind.

Perhaps they feel that the majority of the ire was raised by the poor execution of a rushed game rather than their vision itself. After all DA2 had severe problems that wouldn't be acceptable in any kind of game.

 

I'd say this is probably correct, which is a great pity, cause whilst they have fixed up the issues that were a result of poor execution in DA2, they are making further changes to gameplay that will be regarded by at least some that liked DA2 as unnacceptable.



#136
Morroian

Morroian
  • Members
  • 6 396 messages

But I also get that most people dont like change for the reason that its something new and there was nothing wrong with the old version.

 

This is actually not true. What DAI is doing is not new and many of us objecting have had experience with similar systems in other games.


  • Paul E Dangerously, Bekkael et xkg aiment ceci

#137
In Exile

In Exile
  • Members
  • 28 738 messages

It looks like every other Bioware game to me, with larger areas. A good thing, but I see no evidence of them understanding what makes open world appealing.

 

What does make an open world appealing? That's just not a feature I get. 


  • AlanC9 aime ceci

#138
Elhanan

Elhanan
  • Members
  • 18 576 messages

Srsly? has this been confirmed? I mix an match the way I get around all the time. I don't see the need for this change. Oh wait another console is king argument.


From one of the PC UI reviews: ..."During our time in The Hinterlands, we had a nasty run-in with some demons of the Fade. Using the WASD keys for movement, we charged our maul-wielding warrior into the fray, activated one of his abilities via the sleek PC action bar and smashed an enemy square in the face, incapacitating it for a short time. Unfortunately our rogue, a ranged character with a crossbow, was himself the target of some stab-happy monsters. So we quickly switched control over to our tank by clicking on her portrait, and commanded her to taunt the nearby enemies. All was going well – until our party got annihilated by the spellcaster demon, who wiped us from afar with a giant beam of magic. Ouch."...

#139
Neverwinter_Knight77

Neverwinter_Knight77
  • Members
  • 2 844 messages

Well heres my 2 cents. I was sooo looking forward to this game back in spring and summer.. Post summer, every negative thing came at us all at once, with each change being worse than the last.

Good points
1. I do like that it is much more open world, even though it isn't technically. I like the exploration and looking forward to getting lost in it, however there is a negative to this as well which I will put on the bad list.
2. I do like the crafting system. It seems it will be much more better than what we have been given.
3.Graphics look good, but this is minor for me.. I always feel that graphics should be the least worried about when it comes to games. Now art design is something else. DAO had the best, DA2 was too cartoony. DAI looks much more appeasing.

Bad points
1. Ugly companions. None really look that appealing and some like Sera, Dorian and Cole espessially, make me want to vomit.
2. Love interests suck and soo disappointed in the skewed ratio, comments from bioware employees reasoning make me question their views on equality.
3. Keeping the bad stuff from DA2. The dialogue wheel sucks. The handholding sucks. The animations are too cartoony and exactly the same move for move. And the biggest of all... Weapon restrictions.
4. Animations.. its just too flashy.. too much color. Every move, even basic ones have purple or red outlines. When everyone is unloading abilities, the aoe of the flash is just way too much. You cannot see where people are or what is going on half the time. Big smoke clouds, large barrier type Aoes, its all just too much. which brings me to the next negative
5.Lack of healing. Here is the tricky one. Not sure how well this will be.. but because of open world and amount of enemies, this could lead to tedious running back to camp to heal and restock.. If it is such a case, that will suck TREMENDOUSLY. This coincides with the previous. If I cant see where people are or what I am doing due to the flash, how can i minimize being hit?
6.This is minor and nitpicky but the character icon protraits suck... and there isnt even a portrait for our inquisitor? how lazy is that? and character selection screen is just cards now? cant even put a proper one up, showing our characters like DAO and DA2???
7. In addition to weapon restrictions, now we have only armor and head slots.. really? Oh but that isn't enough, now we have to be restricted to 8 ability slots.. Oh but wait there is more.. no more allocating stat points.. So they decided to take soo much player choice away and now we cant even assign stats points?....



Really its just more and more disappointing to be honest.. This just doesnt look or feel like a dragon age game anymore aside from certain characters.. It may be better than DA2, but that doesnt take much, but the story, which is the only real unknown wont make up for all the negatives I listed, to even come close to how good DAO was.

This post sums up a lot of my feelings.

#140
In Exile

In Exile
  • Members
  • 28 738 messages

From one of the PC UI reviews: ..."During our time in The Hinterlands, we had a nasty run-in with some demons of the Fade. Using the WASD keys for movement, we charged our maul-wielding warrior into the fray, activated one of his abilities via the sleek PC action bar and smashed an enemy square in the face, incapacitating it for a short time. Unfortunately our rogue, a ranged character with a crossbow, was himself the target of some stab-happy monsters. So we quickly switched control over to our tank by clicking on her portrait, and commanded her to taunt the nearby enemies. All was going well – until our party got annihilated by the spellcaster demon, who wiped us from afar with a giant beam of magic. Ouch."...

 

That doesn't mean you can't point and click. You could use WASD in DA:O too. 


  • Elhanan et Neverwinter_Knight77 aiment ceci

#141
Elhanan

Elhanan
  • Members
  • 18 576 messages

That doesn't mean you can't point and click. You could use WASD in DA:O too.


After playing some other WASD games, I do recall being able to 'drive' in DA2 using WASD, too. Hope Point & Click does return. Good call!

#142
Snorka

Snorka
  • Members
  • 130 messages

1. The intro screen - A endless line of mages and templars walking towards peace, then you hit the start button and the green **** hits the fan.

2. The rest after "1" happens.


  • TheLittleTpot et UniformGreyColor aiment ceci

#143
In Exile

In Exile
  • Members
  • 28 738 messages

After playing some other WASD games, I do recall being able to 'drive' in DA2 using WASD, too. Hope Point & Click does return. Good call!

 

I just would be shocked if Bio cut point & click. 



#144
UniformGreyColor

UniformGreyColor
  • Members
  • 1 455 messages

I just would be shocked if Bio cut point & click. 

 

At this point I would not be surprised at all though I see your point. I just fear they would have a really good reason for removing it.



#145
cronshaw

cronshaw
  • Members
  • 4 997 messages

So you're saying that they didn't really got the message that we didn't like DA2?

My guess is the "we" you are talking about here is much smaller than you imagine


  • Bekkael aime ceci

#146
Paul E Dangerously

Paul E Dangerously
  • Members
  • 1 884 messages

My guess is the "we" you are talking about here is much smaller than you imagine

 

Not looking at sales comparisons from DAO to DA2, it isn't.


  • Neverwinter_Knight77 aime ceci

#147
AlanC9

AlanC9
  • Members
  • 35 777 messages
Depends on what you figure the problems with DA2 were.

#148
Muspade

Muspade
  • Members
  • 1 280 messages

The combat resembling DA2 is mighty fine with me. The slow paced combat in DA: O wasn't very entertaining in the least. The design of the combat encounters however, could've used some work.



#149
Yount14

Yount14
  • Members
  • 47 messages
I have a long beard why cant my inquisitor have a long beard. Is that too much for frostbite? Long hair? Cant be done!

Ugly romance options. Im not looking forward to romancing any of these people. They dont have to look like Isabella with the fake breasts etc. but Cassandra alone looks awful now compared to in DA2
  • Neverwinter_Knight77 aime ceci

#150
Elhanan

Elhanan
  • Members
  • 18 576 messages

I have a long beard why cant my inquisitor have a long beard. Is that too much for frostbite? Long hair? Cant be done!

Ugly romance options. Im not looking forward to romancing any of these people. They dont have to look like Isabella with the fake breasts etc. but Cassandra alone looks awful now compared to in DA2


The irony and imagery of these two comments is killing me.... :lol: