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[Bigdoser]

Wow I am now curious to see cassandra comments if you are a necromancer. Thanks for the information Lil yonce, 

[hellbiter88]

@Bigdoser; So far, this what we know about the Mortalitasi.

 

From WoT, "Nevarrans believe that when a soul crosses the Fade at death, it displaces a Fade spirit. Caspar Pentaghast's personal adviser, a Tevinter mage named Vitus Fabria, founded the Mortalitasi order of mages and first preached the idea. The Mortalitasi believe mummifying corpses to keep them intact provides a safe host for the displaced Fade spirits.

 

The mummified corpses are placed in massive, elaborate tomb, and the grandest of these come complete with gardens, bathhouses, and ballrooms. Wealthy Nevarrans begin construction on their own tombs while young, and add to them as they grow older. Outside of Nevarra City stands the Grand Necropolis. It appears almost as a city in itself, complete with mansions and great palaces, although it is utterly silent and kept only for the dead. It is common for nobles to take Mortalitasi adviser, and rumors persist of noble involvement in secret necromantic cults. Outside of Nevarra, inflated stories of ancestor worship and obsession with the dead have become Nevarran stereotypes."

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"In Nevarra mages have more power than those in most Chantry-controlled nations. They are well organized, wealthy, and hold political sway. Nevarran mages push the boundaries of what magic can do and are arguably the most well schooled mages outside Tevinter. Among the special aspects of magic practice in Nevarra is the secretive Mortalitasi order. These mages are experts in the art of mummification, a burial practice unique to Nevarran culture. The order studies death extensively, and its members are known to experiment with necromancy. Members of the order rarely leave Nevarra. While they are well respected within the kingdom, mages outside the nation's borders fear them. Propaganda perpetuates the belief in some that the Mortalitasi are actually a death cult who carry out macbre rituals in the catacombs of their Grand Necropolis."

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"My tenure as ambassador to the Nevarran court began, appropriately enough, with a death. I arrived to find my predecessor and intended mentor, Sifas Carrenter, had died in his sleep. Not unexpecetd, given his age. Instead of a cremation, the Mortalitasi were summoned for him, those gray-robed mages who seem to be everywhere in the palace. I was warned of the Mortalitasi in Starkhaven. Some cautioned me about their political prowess, learned from sitting at the feet of kings for generations. Others talked about the Mortalitasi like they were ghoulish surgeons in leather aprons, exhuming bodies by moonlight in their Grand Necropolis. The Mortalitasi who spoke to me was a polite, tawny-haired woman who smelled strongly of soap. She explained that Carrenter had earned the honor of being preserved and interred in the Necropolis. It seems a barbaric practice, but I knew that demanding a cremation would have made me - and more importantly, Starkhaven - lose face in Nevarra. Instead, my thanks seemed to please her. She described some of their rites. Though she wouldn't speak of the greater mysteries, even a glimpse into their arts put my hair on end. But I held my peace. The Mortalitasi are linked to the throne by blood. If I die in my office, like Carrenter, my body will be in their hands. In a land where death and politics are intertwined, one should be polite."

 

-- Galen Vedas, Starkhaven ambassador to Nevarra, 9:6 Dragon.

 

This was a great read, thanks

[themageguy]

@KoorahUK; My inquisitor has a personality that suits Cole as her best buddy. I've planned for her to look to Cole's endless faith in doing good without benefit to renew her own desire to serve others. To shake her out of a very unproductive disillusionment with humanity and get her into the 'spirit' of good will and self-sacrifice. I hope something in him sparks your interest too.

Unrelated: I hope we can learn that trick Yavana used in the comics to bind a just departed soul to a corpse. Its the closest thing we have to resurrection in DA isn't it?

mmmmm Yavana.

Actually that was most likely the spirit binding powers of necromancy shared by the Mortalitasi.

Those witches know some interesting esoteric magics don't they?


I cannot wait to roll a necromancer inquisitor and romance Cassandra.
I will also play necromancer in MP too

Hmm as necromancy is all about spirit binding, i wonder if most necromancers have talents in being a spirit medium like Wynne and her son Rhys?

[DV-01]

There is nothing that explicitly states the Inquisitor will practice the Nevarran method of necromancy, though it does sound intriging. If Dorian is a practioner of necromancy, the protagonist could also be skilled in other traditions; like Tevinter.

[themageguy]

There is nothing that explicitly states the Inquisitor will practice the Nevarran method of necromancy, though it does sound intriging. If Dorian is a practioner of necromancy, the protagonist could also be skilled in other traditions; like Tevinter.

Whilst true, there was a skull item related to the order in the inventory, which has led to speculation that we may learn from the order themselves, rather than a companion.

Either way, im just happy necromancer is an option in inquisition l

[The Night Haunter]

The Mortalitasi sound like the Cult of Settra in Nehekhara. Which is awesome because that is one of my favorite parts of the Warhammer lore. Loved the Nagash books (also definitely have the name for my necromancer play through lol)

[Falrach]

There is nothing that explicitly states the Inquisitor will practice the Nevarran method of necromancy, though it does sound intriging. If Dorian is a practioner of necromancy, the protagonist could also be skilled in other traditions; like Tevinter.

 

the speculations are going to Nevarra since there was to see a Mortalitasian skull, this cult seems not to be connectet to tevinter from what we know.

 

But yes, it would be possible for bioware to give this in the lore or whatever, still speculating 

[themageguy]

The Mortalitasi sound like the Cult of Settra in Nehekhara. Which is awesome because that is one of my favorite parts of the Warhammer lore. Loved the Nagash books (also definitely have the name for my necromancer play through lol)

Awesome:)

[Servilus]

 

-SNIP- cause long post is long.

Honestly, that made me think about making a necromancer my first playthrough. That was a really enjoyable read.

[Falrach]

If the necro belongs to this lore it would be interessting to have one at first PT

[lil yonce]

There is nothing that explicitly states the Inquisitor will practice the Nevarran method of necromancy, though it does sound intriging. If Dorian is a practioner of necromancy, the protagonist could also be skilled in other traditions; like Tevinter.

I don't think you learn specializations from companions this time, I think that's been said. If indeed the quest to get the specialization involves the mortalitasi skull, and I think it very possibly could as it hints at "becoming a true necromancer", we would learn from a mortalitasi mentor. And I would really hate it if the mortalitasi with already known, in-depth lore and awesome undead skull of power are passed over in favor of never before heard of tevinter necromancy tradition, so I hope it doesn't happen.  

[Lumix19]

I don't think you learn specializations from companions this time, I think that's been said. If indeed the quest to get the specialization involves the mortalitasi skull, and I think it very possibly could as it hints at "becoming a true necromancer", we would learn from a mortalitasi mentor. And I would really hate it if the mortalitasi with already known in-depth lore and awesome undead skull of power are passed over in favor of a never before heard of tevinter necromancy tradition, so I hope it doesn't happen.  

I'm pretty sure that the Tevinter necromancy tradition would be similar to the Mortalitasi tradition, wasn't the Mortalitasi started by a Tevinter mage? I agree that we'll probably learn from the Skull though, probably get the recipe as part of a quest.

[hellbiter88]

There is nothing that explicitly states the Inquisitor will practice the Nevarran method of necromancy, though it does sound intriging. If Dorian is a practioner of necromancy, the protagonist could also be skilled in other traditions; like Tevinter.

 

the speculations are going to Nevarra since there was to see a Mortalitasian skull, this cult seems not to be connectet to tevinter from what we know.

 

But yes, it would be possible for bioware to give this in the lore or whatever, still speculating 

 

I'm pretty sure that the Tevinter necromancy tradition would be similar to the Mortalitasi tradition, wasn't the Mortalitasi started by a Tevinter mage? I agree that we'll probably learn from the Skull though, probably get the recipe as part of a quest.

 

Talk technical to me

[HydroFlame20]

I hope its a poweful specialization I want to feel like if were the head of an Ancient order I want to feel like were the big boss and since we have a fade hand gift were even more special.

[PrinceofTime]

After the disappointment that was the KE. Im officially on the Necromancer train for my mage playthrough. Hopefully Bioware will showcase more of the specializations in the next combat vid,whenever that is, not holding my breath *cough dev diaries*ahem*.

[hellbiter88]

After the disappointment that was the KE.

 

^THIS

 

 

 

Im officially on the Necromancer train for my mage playthrough. Hopefully Bioware will showcase more of the specializations in the next combat vid

 

^AND THIS

[Doominike]

What happened to the KE ?

[hellbiter88]

What happened to the KE ?

 

It's a good class... it's just. Well for me, it's that they tied the resurgance (uber healing spell) to the KE class. Which kinda blows.. since I really need that spell and now I feel like I hafta pick that specialization to heal.

 

Plus necromancers sound.... hawt

[Doominike]

People consider it ruined because of that ? Aside that I would've preferred an actual "super move" rather than healing I'm fine with a melee mage

[RobRam10]

The Mortalitasi sound like the Cult of Settra in Nehekhara. Which is awesome because that is one of my favorite parts of the Warhammer lore. Loved the Nagash books (also definitely have the name for my necromancer play through lol)

[Bigdoser]

There is nothing that explicitly states the Inquisitor will practice the Nevarran method of necromancy, though it does sound intriging. If Dorian is a practioner of necromancy, the protagonist could also be skilled in other traditions; like Tevinter.

I think its the Mortalitasi method I recall the developers talking about it at some point plus our companions will not have a hand in learning specialisations. Seems they don't feel like teaching the inquisitor for whatever reason. 

 

Still I am really on the necromancer hype train I hope it does not disappoint. Considering necromancer looks to be the spec that replaced blood magic. 

[Medhia_Nox]

The info lil yonce provided is absolutely amazing lore and I don't care where we get the Spec. from - that's absolutely how I would portray my necromancer if I play one.  

 

I'm very intrigued about this: "displaces a Fade spirit".  Why would a soul passing through the Fade cast a spirit out of the Fade?  Perhaps it's more that it provides an opening for a spirit in the form of a dead corpse (hence why most of Thedas cremates). 

 

I'd also hope that instead of (or in addition to) the skeletons - we get a strong mummified summons.  It would be very different from the usual skeleton/zombie trope.  

 

It's interesting that Mortalitasi also seem to be able to achieve immortality.  The creation of the skull is a host.  It has to be a respectful house for the soul of the Mortalitasi that will become your teacher.  

[DV-01]

I think its the Mortalitasi method I recall the developers talking about it at some point

Be cool to see this. I know there has been talk about not learning the spec from our companions. I referenced Dorian in connection to possible other Necromantic traditons as it's indicated he is a necromancer and trained by a Tevinter magister.
 Looking to be a very fun class.

[lil yonce]

Wow I am now curious to see cassandra comments if you are a necromancer. Thanks for the information Lil yonce, 

Cassandra will comment, I think, based on this: 

 

More mortalitasi lore -

 

LI: Oh, as far as certain areas, when it comes to...uh, what was it. Nevarra. 

DG: The Mortalitasi?

LI: Yes. I was going to ask with Necromancy. As far as how - why is it accepted over there? 

DG: That's just part of their culture. It's part of their death practices in that they - when they bury people, they believe in the exchange of souls. If someone's soul passes through the Fade and goes beyond the Fade to the Maker, there must be a soul (like a spirit) that takes that place. So, they basically invite a soul to assume the place of the soul who is now gone. So to maintain a zero sum balance. And that's why they create the Necropolis. Necropoli? The Grand Necropolis is the big one, where these bodies have these spirits within them...are kept. To maintain the reverence for these people that are gone. It's a death culture, it may have been modeled to the Egyptians in a kind of way. It could be, if you think about it. These Necropoli have dead bodies that have been inhabited by spirits and mostly keep these within sarcophagi, but that basically means: here's the undead, mummified or tied up or whatever-

LI: They're still there, though? Haha. For an infinite time?

DG: Yeah! I mean, I know Cassandra talks about a bit. There are parts of the Grand Necropolis which have been abandoned because they fall into ruin and of course within those ones they get out. So you get undead that are kind of wandering around and...if you imagine it from the spirit's perspective, the one who was summoned to take that body, I don't think it's the best time [to talk about it]. But from the perspective of the Nevarrans, they consider it a reverential - maybe not towards the spirit, but towards the departed.

 

Link to the interview: http://www.ladyinsan...terview-gaymerx

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One more comment on the spec quest: Thing about the Mortalitasi skull, it was a craftable item, so I think we will learn Nevarran necromancy because why craft a mortalitasi skull and then not learn their necromancy tradition, learn a tevinter tradition instead? That'd be such a troll setup IMO. The inquisitor in the video was a Knight Enchanter too, so perhaps they could have crafted the skull, but didn't because the player didn't want the Necromancer spec?

[CoffeeElemental]

I think its the Mortalitasi method I recall the developers talking about it at some point plus our companions will not have a hand in learning specialisations. Seems they don't feel like teaching the inquisitor for whatever reason. 

That's because companions do not start with specializations - they have quests/wartable missions to get them themselves. This was revealed in the last twitch video, but it was more of off-hand remark.