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[Dusksworn]

Welp, just learned that Hawke was initially designed as "Ulrich von Hawke", a werewolf antagonist who liked the smell of blood or something. Which was why he smeared it on his face.

 

Huh.

[boissiere]

I'm not sure how killing Anders could be seen as explicitly anti-mage. I always do it and I view it as something more like ... justice. To me, no matter what my views are or what side I'm playing this time, Anders always goes too far in blowing up the Chantry.

 

But how you choose to play things is up to you.

 

We can only wait and see what kind of latitude the options the writers give us allow.

 

Not necessarily. I've just replayed that part today and I kill him because he asked me to do so. Don't forget that Anders himself says: "If I have to die, kill me!". However, he will never accept you that you side with templars and take him against his brother and sisters mages. (Whereas Bettany and Merril may still stay with you if their approval rates are enough.)

Indeed. And if Varric likes you enough he won't try to kill you and just up and leaves.

You may have him with your team until the end. I always found Varric and Sebastian weak characters. If Sebastian (and Fenris) are too strict, I really like Varric's little jokes.

[dantares83]

I'm not sure how killing Anders could be seen as explicitly anti-mage. I always do it and I view it as something more like ... justice. To me, no matter what my views are or what side I'm playing this time, Anders always goes too far in blowing up the Chantry.

 

But how you choose to play things is up to you.

 

We can only wait and see what kind of latitude the options the writers give us allow.

No, i mean, your Hawke just want to kill all the mages in his/her party and that includes his/her sister at the end. The reason he/she killed Anders is just because mages must die. not exactly because of what Anders did. 

 

"ALL MAGES MUST DIE" is his/her new philosophy. 

[Dayze]

Welp, just learned that Hawke was initially designed as "Ulrich von Hawke", a werewolf antagonist who liked the smell of blood or something. Which was why he smeared it on his face.

 

Huh.

You know; after all this time I don't know how I missed this.

 

But for this to work in game, as a werewolf it must have been possible for Hawke to change from wolf-man form back to human.......

 

Which makes me wonder about the werewolves and the lady of the forest and why they couldn't do that.

[Todd23]

Full support. If his abilities match our Hawke's in DA2

[Todd23]

I would also like to face the warden but not as an antagonist. I want it to be some side optional battle that's truly epic, like Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts 2... and also to match our original abilities. Even though my warden was a four specialization god with mana-clash.

[Icefalcon]

Let's hope not.

And to be honest I'd be quite a bit surprised if you were to fight Hawke. I'm more thinking of a cameo ala Alistair in DA2 and Awakening or Leilana in the DA2 DLC scene. Meet up, have a chat, compare notes and go away again leaving the Inquisitor to it.

[Doominike]

I would also like to face the warden but not as an antagonist. I want it to be some side optional battle that's truly epic, like Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts 2... and also to match our original abilities. Even though my warden was a four specialization god with mana-clash.

Oh lol, my Wardens were so ridiculous by the end, especially my Mage Warden. She was pretty much flat out invincible at the end of vanilla DAO, after going through the DLCs it was simply mind-boggling. She would so waste my other heroes ^^ 

 

(unless the Inquisitor actually becomes much much much more formidable than I expect)

[Todd23]

Oh lol, my Wardens were so ridiculous by the end, especially my Mage Warden. She was pretty much flat out invincible at the end of vanilla DAO, after going through the DLCs it was simply mind-boggling. She would so waste my other heroes ^^

(unless the Inquisitor actually becomes much much much more formidable than I expect)

I was thinking more of a four on one battle towards the end of the game that you don't have to win like the battle with Cauthrien in the estate.

[Spectre Impersonator]

I said in another thread, I'd love to have the chance to duel Hawke with different story outcomes for winning or losing. Doubt this will happen but it would be awesome.

[Doominike]

I was thinking more of a four on one battle towards the end of the game that you don't have to win like the battle with Cauthrien in the estate.

Mind-boggingly powerful I say, she could take Hawke and the Inquisitor plus all their followers and emerge victorious without even getting her hair fussed ^^

[TagiDoll]

My Hawke was on the mage side and my mage inquisitor will be on the mage side so...best of friends.

 

Would be cool if it was possible for them to be on the opposite side though.

[Ruairi46]

I'm going to be pro templar in inquisition, but Hawke was a mage who was pro templar, so I'm curious how that will work. Also Hawke may potentially have Sebastian his husbands army alongside her, oooo.

[Mentxi]

My qunari mage sees hawke as a hero that helps other mages like himself, a battle between them is very unlikely....

[Silver Souls]

Would be cool to face him in combat I never played D2 to the end (only got to chapter 2 before I quit) 

[Sifr]

Welp, just learned that Hawke was initially designed as "Ulrich von Hawke", a werewolf antagonist who liked the smell of blood or something. Which was why he smeared it on his face.

 

Huh.

 

Yeah, it's weird to hear about that early version of the character, kind of like the early design sketches for Merrill.

 

(My personal fanon explanation for the warpaint is that it's just kaddis to allow Hawke's mabari to track them in combat)

 

But yeah, I don't really want to see Hawke as an antagonist, I'd far more be able to recruit them as an agent.

[Doominike]

Huh, funny, I kinda had that headcanon explanation too. Renegade Hawke used it to seem ferocious and bloodthirsty like a warhound and Snarky Hawke used it because it's a dog thing so she found it funny/cool to wear it

[Ranadiel Marius]

And then an Archdemon bursts through the ground and joins the fight.

Hawke rejoices because killing stuff is something that his bad luck doesn't impact. Unfortunately upon killing the Archdemon it is revealed that a. the cat had undergone the joining and b. cat's don't have souls so the Archedemon can take it. And thus the Archcat kills the girl after Hawke leaves.
 

 

Not necessarily. I've just replayed that part today and I kill him because he asked me to do so. Don't forget that Anders himself says: "If I have to die, kill me!". However, he will never accept you that you side with templars and take him against his brother and sisters mages. (Whereas Bettany and Merril may still stay with you if their approval rates are enough.)

 

Actually if you get Anders to 100 rivalry you can get him to side with the templars. His rationale being that he can stop the horrors Vengeance has unleashed by stopping the rebellion he started here and now, and then he implies he'll take his own life to prevent Vengeance from doing any more harm. I think this option was bugged in the original release, but one of the patches fixed it as I did it on my most recent playthrough.

[Augustei]

Heck I'd kill the idiot if he just stumbled into my Inquisitors camp without reason.. I hated Hawke, he was a lazy stupid moron who did nothing but sit around in his mansion for years on end staring into the fireplace. When he wasn't doing that he was screwing over thedas royally.

Releases Corypheus
Does nothing about Petrice so she can go on to cause an all out conflict with the Qunari
Kills Duke Prosper, the man I suspect was propping up Celenes government resulting in the Orlesian civil war
Does nothing about Meredith and nothing about Anders or supports Anders in an obvious attempt to place explosives in the chantry resulting in the Kirkwall circle annulment
Lets a list of Qunari spies go because.....reasons?
....God I hate that guy

[Sifr]

Heck I'd kill the idiot if he just stumbled into my Inquisitors camp without reason.. I hated Hawke, he was a lazy stupid moron who did nothing but sit around in his mansion for years on end staring into the fireplace. When he wasn't doing that he was screwing over thedas royally.

Releases Corypheus
Does nothing about Petrice so she can go on to cause an all out conflict with the Qunari
Kills Duke Prosper, the man I suspect was propping up Celenes government resulting in the Orlesian civil war
Does nothing about Meredith and nothing about Anders or supports Anders in an obvious attempt to place explosives in the chantry resulting in the Kirkwall circle annulment
Lets a list of Qunari spies go because.....reasons?
....God I hate that guy

 

Except you're forgetting that;

 

Hawke mistakenly believed they killed Corypheus, ending the threat once and for all.

 

Hawke was unable to do anything about Petrice due to Hawke either being a peasant (in Act 1) and Petrice frequently covers her arse well, so there's never really any proof to link to  her to any of her crimes. Even as a minor noble, Hawke's not really in a position to just up and murder a member of the Chantry without cause or getting in a lot of hot water.

 

Hawke was forced to kill Duke Prosper in self-defence and there was no way to avoid that fight? And regardless of what side you fall on the Orlesian Civil War, if Duke Prosper was most of the reason that Celene held power, then she deserves to have her government fall.

 

Hawke cannot do anything about Meredith at all. Even as she slides into madness, she still has many admirers who are willing to follow her lead and she's well-guarded. Hawke's not about to storm the Gallows and attempt to try and take her down, not without getting themselves strung up and executed for it, which his exactly what happened to those Templars in Act 3 who were planning to do just that! And if Hawke is a Mage or Bethany is in the Circle, she's got enough leverage against them. If you're a Mage and you get too snippy with her, she even reminds you that your freedom is at her discretion, basically telling you she's got you by the short and curlies and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

As for Anders, well, he's been talking a big game for the longest time and he's done nothing, so Hawke might have expected that his ominous conversations were just more bluster from him. Furthermore, Hawke doesn't know that they've been building explosives, since most Thedosians lack any experience with them, barring the Qunari and Dwarves who guard such secrets carefully. Given that one of the ingredients was manure, I'd think that Hawke probably thought that Anders was planting some kind of stink-bomb or prank in the Chantry, rather than intending to blow it up.

 

The Qunari list, in addition to containing the names of some deep cover sleeper agents, also contains the names of former spies who have since gone native and left the Qun, becoming Tal-Vashoth. Even Tallis, who's a diehard member of the Qunari (and who's freaking job actively requires to her hunt the latter group), believes that having that information leak out would cause many innocent people to suffer, such as the husbands, wives and children of those people, who are guilty of no crime at all.

 

But sure, if it's easier for you to irrationally blame Hawke for everything they either had no control over, had no knowledge of or was a result of acting in self-defence, then have at it? By that logic, it's Varric's fault for getting Hawke on the Deep Roads expedition that found the Idol that drove Meredith crazy, as well as pointing Hawke in Anders direction to find the maps... yet no-one ever is going to blame our favourite dwarven arbalester, are they?

 

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't what to fight my Hawke.  I liked my Hawke.

 

I actually wrote out a fanfiction battle scene between a Templar Spec Inquizzy and a Mage Hawke.

 

It got brutal very,very quick.

[Chernaya]

I could see something happening where we possibly can have a conflict depending on who your imported Hawke sided with and who our Inquisitor chooses to side with. As for me though, I would like a powerful ally like Hawke on my side, and I'm not really willing to lose Varric either. 

[Kieran G.]

I will admit. even if he isn't a antagonist. the option to kill Hawke would be pretty incredible. 

[MisterJB]

Plot Twist, Hawke caused the Rift.

S/he was trying to help, honest.

 

 

Not necessarily. I've just replayed that part today and I kill him because he asked me to do so. Don't forget that Anders himself says: "If I have to die, kill me!". However, he will never accept you that you side with templars and take him against his brother and sisters mages. (Whereas Bettany and Merril may still stay with you if their approval rates are enough.)

 

You can convince Anders to fight against the mages, actually

Rival him to 100% and distract Elthina.

 

[Master Warder Z_]

I will admit. even if he isn't a antagonist. the option to kill Hawke would be pretty incredible. 

 

It probably would be pretty disappointing i mean at least to me given that i made their battle pretty incredible.

 

The Inquizzy's sword snapped at the hilt and he ended up stabbing Hawke through the throat with the broken blade tip while she was trying to impale him with a wave of ice shards.

 

Still its my own problem given i was the one who wrote the fanfiction.