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[Kieran G.]

It probably would be pretty disappointing i mean at least to me given that i made their battle pretty incredible.

 

The Inquizzy's sword snapped at the hilt and he ended up stabbing Hawke through the throat with the broken blade tip while she was trying to impale him with a wave of ice shards.

 

Still its my own problem given i was the one who wrote the fanfiction.

It would just be an interesting option. get the option to blame Hawke for the MT war and like just out of the blue while hawke is looking off you stab him/her in the back. Imagine what Cullen, varric or Cassandra to say? it would be a curve ball option i might never use but would love that the option existed.

[garrusfan1]

I'm not sure how killing Anders could be seen as explicitly anti-mage. I always do it and I view it as something more like ... justice. To me, no matter what my views are or what side I'm playing this time, Anders always goes too far in blowing up the Chantry.

 

But how you choose to play things is up to you.

 

We can only wait and see what kind of latitude the options the writers give us allow.

I always kill him too. He knowlingly started a war that will cause countless deaths and smiled about being a marytr. killing him is justice

[garrusfan1]

I doubt they will have hawk become the bad guy. Plus they said the main conflict isn't mage vs templar

[sky_captain]

My guess is that Hawke and the Inquisitor are joining together to take down Cory.

[Reptillius]

My Guess is the Inquisitor is simply going to throw Hawke off the nearest cliff or into the nearest Rift.

[Ceoldoren]

Even though Hawke is the protagonist of DA2, I think he/she will have a chance to be an antagonist in DAI?

 

I mean if I choose to import/select in the keep or something to make Hawke as anti-mage as possible, e.g. kill both Anders and Merril and then eventually even kill his/her own sister because like Meredith, he/she sees blood mages everywhere. 

 

Killed his/her own sister because she is a mage! So if i play a game with these imports and then decide to support the mages in my playthrough for DAI, wouldnt that make Hawke my enemy?

 

Here is someone who have no quells killing his/her own family because they are a mage, how is this sick person going to support my cause for the mages (and btw, i am also a mage myself and have several mages companions which i think Hawke has an itching to eliminate like he/she eliminates his/her own a few years prior).

 

I wish that option is available and we get to kill Hawke. It would be fun to see Varric's reaction. 

It makes no sense to fight someone other than the demons right now. 

 

If they're willing to help, I'm not going to turn them down. Regardless of our differences.

 

We can play politics once we've avoided the apocalypse 

[Augustei]

Except you're forgetting that;

 

Hawke mistakenly believed they killed Corypheus, ending the threat once and for all.

 

Hawke was unable to do anything about Petrice due to Hawke either being a peasant (in Act 1) and Petrice frequently covers her arse well, so there's never really any proof to link to  her to any of her crimes. Even as a minor noble, Hawke's not really in a position to just up and murder a member of the Chantry without cause or getting in a lot of hot water.

 

Hawke was forced to kill Duke Prosper in self-defence and there was no way to avoid that fight? And regardless of what side you fall on the Orlesian Civil War, if Duke Prosper was most of the reason that Celene held power, then she deserves to have her government fall.

 

Hawke cannot do anything about Meredith at all. Even as she slides into madness, she still has many admirers who are willing to follow her lead and she's well-guarded. Hawke's not about to storm the Gallows and attempt to try and take her down, not without getting themselves strung up and executed for it, which his exactly what happened to those Templars in Act 3 who were planning to do just that! And if Hawke is a Mage or Bethany is in the Circle, she's got enough leverage against them. If you're a Mage and you get too snippy with her, she even reminds you that your freedom is at her discretion, basically telling you she's got you by the short and curlies and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

As for Anders, well, he's been talking a big game for the longest time and he's done nothing, so Hawke might have expected that his ominous conversations were just more bluster from him. Furthermore, Hawke doesn't know that they've been building explosives, since most Thedosians lack any experience with them, barring the Qunari and Dwarves who guard such secrets carefully. Given that one of the ingredients was manure, I'd think that Hawke probably thought that Anders was planting some kind of stink-bomb or prank in the Chantry, rather than intending to blow it up.

 

The Qunari list, in addition to containing the names of some deep cover sleeper agents, also contains the names of former spies who have since gone native and left the Qun, becoming Tal-Vashoth. Even Tallis, who's a diehard member of the Qunari (and who's freaking job actively requires to her hunt the latter group), believes that having that information leak out would cause many innocent people to suffer, such as the husbands, wives and children of those people, who are guilty of no crime at all.

 

But sure, if it's easier for you to irrationally blame Hawke for everything they either had no control over, had no knowledge of or was a result of acting in self-defence, then have at it? By that logic, it's Varric's fault for getting Hawke on the Deep Roads expedition that found the Idol that drove Meredith crazy, as well as pointing Hawke in Anders direction to find the maps... yet no-one ever is going to blame our favourite dwarven arbalester, are they?

 

 

1) irrelevent, he still released Corypheus
2) He was in an abandoned shack backed up by 3 other people, he has murdered numerous times before,. There was no witnesses to be had. She clearly stated her intentions
3) And he was there in the first place because? reasons? To get rich off some diamond? sounds pretty stupid to me
4) He didn't lift a finger to act against her for 3 freaking years, I'm not advocating A public execution but he could have done something. Instead he just sat in his mansion staring into a fireplace
5) Anders was advocating some pretty serious action the entire time up until that moment, everyone has to choose a side and "If you support freedom for all mages help me plant this in the chantry" If Hawke didn't suspect anything its for 1 simple reason: He's an idiot
6) So the women who has been lying to him the whole time says and what he should just take that at face value and do nothing to verify it? And your letting your morality cloud you on this one. Most people chose not to follow her anyway and had Hawke speak against her and yet he just threatens her for the list then stands there like an idiot. That you chose otherwise is irrelevent

But sure if its easier for you to be an absolute apologist and embrace hawkes evident stupidity then have at it.
I don't see the logical connection between my points and blaming Varric.

 

[Ashelsu]

Except you're forgetting that;

 

Hawke mistakenly believed they killed Corypheus, ending the threat once and for all.

 

Hawke was unable to do anything about Petrice due to Hawke either being a peasant (in Act 1) and Petrice frequently covers her arse well, so there's never really any proof to link to  her to any of her crimes. Even as a minor noble, Hawke's not really in a position to just up and murder a member of the Chantry without cause or getting in a lot of hot water.

 

Hawke was forced to kill Duke Prosper in self-defence and there was no way to avoid that fight? And regardless of what side you fall on the Orlesian Civil War, if Duke Prosper was most of the reason that Celene held power, then she deserves to have her government fall.

 

Hawke cannot do anything about Meredith at all. Even as she slides into madness, she still has many admirers who are willing to follow her lead and she's well-guarded. Hawke's not about to storm the Gallows and attempt to try and take her down, not without getting themselves strung up and executed for it, which his exactly what happened to those Templars in Act 3 who were planning to do just that! And if Hawke is a Mage or Bethany is in the Circle, she's got enough leverage against them. If you're a Mage and you get too snippy with her, she even reminds you that your freedom is at her discretion, basically telling you she's got you by the short and curlies and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

As for Anders, well, he's been talking a big game for the longest time and he's done nothing, so Hawke might have expected that his ominous conversations were just more bluster from him. Furthermore, Hawke doesn't know that they've been building explosives, since most Thedosians lack any experience with them, barring the Qunari and Dwarves who guard such secrets carefully. Given that one of the ingredients was manure, I'd think that Hawke probably thought that Anders was planting some kind of stink-bomb or prank in the Chantry, rather than intending to blow it up.

 

The Qunari list, in addition to containing the names of some deep cover sleeper agents, also contains the names of former spies who have since gone native and left the Qun, becoming Tal-Vashoth. Even Tallis, who's a diehard member of the Qunari (and who's freaking job actively requires to her hunt the latter group), believes that having that information leak out would cause many innocent people to suffer, such as the husbands, wives and children of those people, who are guilty of no crime at all.

 

But sure, if it's easier for you to irrationally blame Hawke for everything they either had no control over, had no knowledge of or was a result of acting in self-defence, then have at it? By that logic, it's Varric's fault for getting Hawke on the Deep Roads expedition that found the Idol that drove Meredith crazy, as well as pointing Hawke in Anders direction to find the maps... yet no-one ever is going to blame our favourite dwarven arbalester, are they?

 

Ha, Petrice.
Act of Mercy. Hawke can kill an entire squad of templars led by Meredith's Lieutenant Ser Karras with zero consequences. That was optional though. Hawke must kill an entire squad of templars to recruit Anders. (Which again proves they are not afraid to do such things - Hawke is not very smart, or Aveline and Varric are covering them). You think the Order would investigate, but they find nothing. I don'ts see how killing insignificant chantry sister is different.
Before Act I Hawke is a part of a criminal organization. They kill people for money. You can pretend it's not truth because you don't see it of course. Yet even after leaving from his servitude Hawke continues to kill people left and right to decide their problem. How Petrice is different? She was with just one guy in a dangerous, criminal-ridden district. And please, ser Varnell is no protection against Hawke, who can wipe two squads of Templars before that. The only reason Petrice is alive is because the writers said so.

Considering Anders, Cullen catches idiot ball here, so it's not  Hawke's fault. You can't roleplay a very pro-templar Hawke though.

And untill you are Tallis' yes-man/woman, participating in MOTA events is hard to justify, especially as a mage and after Act 2. It's Tallis' show.

 

Hawke supporting Templars or Mages depending on your choices would be neat. I don't think this conflict will be part of their storyline though.

[SnakeCode]

I doubt that will be the case. If anything I think they will try to 'redeem' Hawke in the eyes of the fanbase. It probably doesn't sit well with Bioware that one of their main characters (one that was created to be liked) seems to have more critics than fans, so I think that they will try to 'correct' that.

 

I just hope that they don't try to redeem Tallis too.

[Sifr]

1) irrelevent, he still released Corypheus
2) He was in an abandoned shack backed up by 3 other people, he has murdered numerous times before,. There was no witnesses to be had. She clearly stated her intentions
3) And he was there in the first place because? reasons? To get rich off some diamond? sounds pretty stupid to me
4) He didn't lift a finger to act against her for 3 freaking years, I'm not advocating A public execution but he could have done something. Instead he just sat in his mansion staring into a fireplace
5) Anders was advocating some pretty serious action the entire time up until that moment, everyone has to choose a side and "If you support freedom for all mages help me plant this in the chantry" If Hawke didn't suspect anything its for 1 simple reason: He's an idiot
6) So the women who has been lying to him the whole time says and what he should just take that at face value and do nothing to verify it? And your letting your morality cloud you on this one. Most people chose not to follow her anyway and had Hawke speak against her and yet he just threatens her for the list then stands there like an idiot. That you chose otherwise is irrelevent

But sure if its easier for you to be an absolute apologist and embrace hawkes evident stupidity then have at it.
I don't see the logical connection between my points and blaming Varric.

 

 

1. The security system containing Corypheus is already failing anyway, which as only gotten worse with the Grey Warden's having abandoned the place and no longer being around to maintain it. The Grey Wardens who built it knew that he was too powerful to contain and it was only a stop-gap measure until they could figure a means to properly deal with him, but they never found a solution, hence why they were forced to hire mages like Malcolm every once and a while to "top up" the blood seals. Furthermore, Janeka was already planning to break Corypehus out anyway, so what exactly was Hawke supposed to do? Say it's not their problem, leave and just let Corypheus ecape at some point down the road, or release him and attempt to gank the monster once and for all? He'd have gotten out either way, Hawke did the sensible thing and attempt to kill him while he was still weakened from his millennia in stasis.

 

2. Regardless of being in alone in a shack, Hawke's trying to keep a low-profile and keep either themselves or their sister out of the Gallows. Murdering a Chantry and a Templar is going to attract a lot of attention, especially when that murder happens just across the road from where you live.

 

3. So a hunt, a party and a heist doesn't sound like something that's right up Hawke's alley? We've seen Hawke (and the Warden) take far stranger missions in these games for far lesser reasons? Go to a party and try to help an assassin rob a stuffy Orlesian without getting caught? Sounds like fun!

 

4. Even as Champion, Hawke's title is pretty much an honourific and while that grants them certain fame and prestige, that's pretty much it. Even as the Champion, Hawke's not the most important noble in the city either, since otherwise it'd be a no-brainer who the nobles would want to elect as the new Viscount. Nor are they are Templar and have any say in the running of the Order. Exactly what are they supposed to do, when even the freaking Grand Cleric isn't stopping Meredith and she (technically) does have authority over her? We know that Hawke was doing a lot of things to help the city during the time-skips, so it's unfair to say they spent "3 years sitting looking at a fire".

 

5. Again, Anders has been blowing a lot of hot steam for over 6 years at this point. No-one is listening to it anymore or paying attention to him, they've just learned to drown it out. If I thought Anders wanted to put something in the chantry that contains a ton of manure from the sewers, I'd far more suspect him of wanting to tip it in the Chantry priests beds, pour it into their version of a baptismal font or dump it into the armour of the Templars assigned there. It's clear from Hawke's reaction that creating an uber-bomb as not something they thought he was planning and it took everyone by surprise.

 

6. True, but she fesses up about being a Qunari quite readily, so it's not like it comes out of the blue at the last minute. Secondly, the player's own morality aside, even Tallis doesn't want to have a ton of people who are guilty of know crime other than being related to a Qunari or Tal-Vashoth be executed. When a Qunari who's job includes killing Tal-Vashoth is willing to give some of them a free pass and you're not, it's should tell you who's the bigger villain in this situation and it's ain't her! Yeah, you can choose not to follow her and demand the papers, but at this point, Hawke's seen enough of her in action to know she's pretty skilled and it's not worth their time forcing the issue, because she's probably right that this information is better kept under wraps.

 

I'm not being an apoligist, I'm simply pointing out that most of your reasons for Hawke being "stupid" are based on information that we as the audience possess, but the character doesn't, so it's hardly fair to say this makes them an idiot. It's like saying that the Cailan was a moron for getting killed at Ostagar and that the Warden and Alistair were dumb for getting shot with arrows at the Tower of Ishal, because they'd not seen the cutscenes that told them that instead of charging into rescue them, Loghain instead had given the order "Screw you guys, I'm going home".

 

The logical connection is that Hawke would have never been in those scenarios without Varric, so one could make the argument that everything in DA2 is actually his fault. But no-one blames Varric because we know that no-one could have possibly known what would have resulted from their get-rich-quick scheme.

 

Hell, look at it this way and let's figure out where the actual blame for most of the game's events truly lay.

 

Act One: Varric's fault. For setting up Hawke on the Deep Roads expedition, thus setting events in motion.

Act Two: Isabela's fault. For stealing the Tome of Koslun, thus bringing the Qunari to Kirkwall.

Act Three: Bartrand's fault: For selling Meredith the Idol, thus driving her crazy.

Endgame: Ander's fault: For blowing up the Chantry, thus inciting the Mage Rebellion and Templar crackdown.

Legacy: Janeka's fault: For sending the Carta members to kidnap Hawke/Bethany/Carver, intending to use them to free Corpyheus.

MotA: Salit's fault: For stealing the list to sell to Duke Prosper, forcing Tallis to find someone with an invitation to the party to help her steal it back.

 

Hawke is a bit player in all of these events, but they're not actually the individual responsible for any of them. They're simply the reactionary figure that these events ended up happening to, rather than being the one who actually caused them to happen.

[Arakat]

While I'll never understand the "let's kill Hawke!" mentality some people on these forums have learn to roleplay likable characters, it would be super interesting to make Hawke and the Inquisitor into polar opposites and see what happens when they meet. With poor Varric caught inbetween.

[Sifr]

While I'll never understand the "let's kill Hawke!" mentality some people on these forums have learn to roleplay likable characters, it would be super interesting to make Hawke and the Inquisitor into polar opposites and see what happens when they meet. With poor Varric caught inbetween.

 

Yeah, some people seem to let their dislike for DA2 bleed onto the character of Hawke, or dislike Hawke just because they're not the Warden. It's a mentality I'll never understand because I thought the whole point of an RPG was to y'know, roleplay as different characters?

 

But yeah, it would be cool to see some friction between the two characters and see how Varric deals with it.

[Xilizhra]

6. True, but she fesses up about being a Qunari quite readily, so it's not like it comes out of the blue at the last minute. Secondly, the player's own morality aside, even Tallis doesn't want to have a ton of people who are guilty of know crime other than being related to a Qunari or Tal-Vashoth be executed. When a Qunari who's job includes killing Tal-Vashoth is willing to give some of them a free pass and you're not, it's should tell you who's the bigger villain in this situation and it's ain't her! Yeah, you can choose not to follow her and demand the papers, but at this point, Hawke's seen enough of her in action to know she's pretty skilled and it's not worth their time forcing the issue, because she's probably right that this information is better kept under wraps.

No, it's... really not. They're enemy spies. They should be flushed out, if Hawke gives any kind of damn about protecting Thedas from the qunari.

[Augustei]

1. The security system containing Corypheus is already failing anyway, which as only gotten worse with the Grey Warden's having abandoned the place and no longer being around to maintain it. The Grey Wardens who built it knew that he was too powerful to contain and it was only a stop-gap measure until they could figure a means to properly deal with him, but they never found a solution, hence why they were forced to hire mages like Malcolm every once and a while to "top up" the blood seals. Furthermore, Janeka was already planning to break Corypehus out anyway, so what exactly was Hawke supposed to do? Say it's not their problem, leave and just let Corypheus ecape at some point down the road, or release him and attempt to gank the monster once and for all? He'd have gotten out either way, Hawke did the sensible thing and attempt to kill him while he was still weakened from his millennia in stasis.

 

2. Regardless of being in alone in a shack, Hawke's trying to keep a low-profile and keep either themselves or their sister out of the Gallows. Murdering a Chantry and a Templar is going to attract a lot of attention, especially when that murder happens just across the road from where you live.

 

3. So a hunt, a party and a heist doesn't sound like something that's right up Hawke's alley? We've seen Hawke (and the Warden) take far stranger missions in these games for far lesser reasons? Go to a party and try to help an assassin rob a stuffy Orlesian without getting caught? Sounds like fun!

 

4. Even as Champion, Hawke's title is pretty much an honourific and while that grants them certain fame and prestige, that's pretty much it. Even as the Champion, Hawke's not the most important noble in the city either, since otherwise it'd be a no-brainer who the nobles would want to elect as the new Viscount. Nor are they are Templar and have any say in the running of the Order. Exactly what are they supposed to do, when even the freaking Grand Cleric isn't stopping Meredith and she (technically) does have authority over her? We know that Hawke was doing a lot of things to help the city during the time-skips, so it's unfair to say they spent "3 years sitting looking at a fire".

 

5. Again, Anders has been blowing a lot of hot steam for over 6 years at this point. No-one is listening to it anymore or paying attention to him, they've just learned to drown it out. If I thought Anders wanted to put something in the chantry that contains a ton of manure from the sewers, I'd far more suspect him of wanting to tip it in the Chantry priests beds, pour it into their version of a baptismal font or dump it into the armour of the Templars assigned there. It's clear from Hawke's reaction that creating an uber-bomb as not something they thought he was planning and it took everyone by surprise.

 

6. True, but she fesses up about being a Qunari quite readily, so it's not like it comes out of the blue at the last minute. Secondly, the player's own morality aside, even Tallis doesn't want to have a ton of people who are guilty of know crime other than being related to a Qunari or Tal-Vashoth be executed. When a Qunari who's job includes killing Tal-Vashoth is willing to give some of them a free pass and you're not, it's should tell you who's the bigger villain in this situation and it's ain't her! Yeah, you can choose not to follow her and demand the papers, but at this point, Hawke's seen enough of her in action to know she's pretty skilled and it's not worth their time forcing the issue, because she's probably right that this information is better kept under wraps.

 

I'm not being an apoligist, I'm simply pointing out that most of your reasons for Hawke being "stupid" are based on information that we as the audience possess, but the character doesn't, so it's hardly fair to say this makes them an idiot. It's like saying that the Cailan was a moron for getting killed at Ostagar and that the Warden and Alistair were dumb for getting shot with arrows at the Tower of Ishal, because they'd not seen the cutscenes that told them that instead of charging into rescue them, Loghain instead had given the order "Screw you guys, I'm going home".

 

The logical connection is that Hawke would have never been in those scenarios without Varric, so one could make the argument that everything in DA2 is actually his fault. But no-one blames Varric because we know that no-one could have possibly known what would have resulted from their get-rich-quick scheme.

 

Hell, look at it this way and let's figure out where the actual blame for most of the game's events truly lay.

 

Act One: Varric's fault. For setting up Hawke on the Deep Roads expedition, thus setting events in motion.

Act Two: Isabela's fault. For stealing the Tome of Koslun, thus bringing the Qunari to Kirkwall.

Act Three: Bartrand's fault: For selling Meredith the Idol, thus driving her crazy.

Endgame: Ander's fault: For blowing up the Chantry, thus inciting the Mage Rebellion and Templar crackdown.

Legacy: Janeka's fault: For sending the Carta members to kidnap Hawke/Bethany/Carver, intending to use them to free Corpyheus.

MotA: Salit's fault: For stealing the list to sell to Duke Prosper, forcing Tallis to find someone with an invitation to the party to help her steal it back.

 

Hawke is a bit player in all of these events, but they're not actually the individual responsible for any of them. They're simply the reactionary figure that these events ended up happening to, rather than being the one who actually caused them to happen.

1)The Security system was not failing, don't know where you got that idea.
Janeka could never have broken out Corypheus without Hawkes blood, Hawke is the one who decided to take the massive risk of taking on an ancient tevinter magister when he could have just left him imprisoned and killed Janeka

2) So he pauses at being alone in a shack because he needs to keep a low profile but is all to happy to kill Templars in the middle of the chantry? Lol yeah this sounds like the talk of an apologist to me

3) No it doesn't sound like its up Hawkes ally because he initially declined the invitation from Prosper

4) The guy is a wealthy noble and Meredith despite having admirers has many enemies among the nobles and within her own ranks. Hawke can act against her after 3 years but otherwise does nothing beforehand. Theres plenty he could have done, heck even something as simple as writing a letter to Val Royeaux or something but no he decides to stare into his damn fireplace.
The title itself may be honourary but Hawke obviously has power enough to threaten her, its the reason Meredith tried to kill him in the gallows.

5) Yeah sure...Sounds just like the kind of talk from the guy constantly loosing his grip to Justice which is plainly evident when doing that mission.. No you'd have to be blind to think he was just going to play a practical joke. He may not have known it was a bomb but from the way Anders was talking it was going to be something big.

6) What Xil said

Cailan was an idiot for dying at Ostagar, he insisted on being on the front lines even though he has no issue, and no you really do come off as an apologist in my eyes. And I don't let my hatred of DA2 seep into my feelings for Hawke, Hawke is one of the main reasons I hate DA2. People have been complaining since release about how he is a reactive idiot and bioware has even addressed this by stressing how our Inquisitor will be a Proactive protagonist.


 

[Sifr]

No, it's... really not. They're enemy spies. They should be flushed out, if Hawke gives any kind of damn about protecting Thedas from the qunari.

 

We're told that not all of them are spies, but some on the names on that list are people who defected and left the Qun. It's not like that doesn't happen, as wel know that people like Iron Bull, who've been undercover for a while, can start to forget whether or not they're still loyal to the Qun.

 

Besides, we know that having a Mage in your household and not reporting them to the Circle is enough to warrant the Templars killing your entire family, so do you really think that you'd expect more leniency from the authorities if you found out suddenly that your father had been a Qunari spy (or former one) for years? Or do you think that'd you'd probably be branded a traitor and strung up along next to him?

 

Would you really be willing to have a lot of innocent blood on your hands simply to spite the Qunari? Hawke can do some pretty awful things in DA2 if you choose, but I have a hard time believing that they'd be willing to go that far.

[Who Knows]

I think we're more likely to just have Hawke fight against the main enemy rather than siding with the mages or templars.

[Hellion Rex]

We're told that not all of them are spies, but some on the names on that list are people who defected and left the Qun. It's not like that doesn't happen, as wel know that people like Iron Bull, who've been undercover for a while, can start to forget whether or not they're still loyal to the Qun.

Besides, we know that having a Mage in your household and not reporting them to the Circle is enough to warrant the Templars killing your entire family, so do you really think that you'd expect more leniency from the authorities if you found out suddenly that your father had been a Qunari spy (or former one) for years? Or do you think that'd you'd probably be branded a traitor and strung up along next to him?

Would you really be willing to have a lot of innocent blood on your hands simply to spite the Qunari? Hawke can do some pretty awful things in DA2 if you choose, but I have a hard time believing that they'd be willing to go that far.

Your Circle example was in Kirkwall though, so it's on the extremely conservative end of the spectrum and probably isn't all that common. That said, for the Qunari spy, yes, the father would be strung up, but you yourself might be alright. I highly doubt you would be strung up immediately with your father.

[Xilizhra]

We're told that not all of them are spies, but some on the names on that list are people who defected and left the Qun. It's not like that doesn't happen, as wel know that people like Iron Bull, who've been undercover for a while, can start to forget whether or not they're still loyal to the Qun.

 

Besides, we know that having a Mage in your household and not reporting them to the Circle is enough to warrant the Templars killing your entire family, so do you really think that you'd expect more leniency from the authorities if you found out suddenly that your father had been a Qunari spy (or former one) for years? Or do you think that'd you'd probably be branded a traitor and strung up along next to him?

 

Would you really be willing to have a lot of innocent blood on your hands simply to spite the Qunari? Hawke can do some pretty awful things in DA2 if you choose, but I have a hard time believing that they'd be willing to go that far.

This isn't about spite. This is about protecting our homes, way of life, our very souls (most especially the mages) from the monstrous hordes of the north. Every single qunari is guilty of knowingly supporting a system that institutionalizes and lauds atrocity. I would prefer not to have innocent deaths; hell, I'd be willing to leave Kirkwall and deal with every last spy personally while not involving the authorities. But even if they had to be involved, it'd still be better than letting the qunari have any kind of advantage.

[Augustei]

Would you really be willing to have a lot of innocent blood on your hands simply to spite the Qunari? Hawke can do some pretty awful things in DA2 if you choose, but I have a hard time believing that they'd be willing to go that far.

To spite the Qunari? are you serious? You'd use the list to deprive the Qunari of intel for their next planned invasion, which btw with that intel more people will likely die with the dragging on of the war. But no yeah don't want to get my hands dirty......
Yeah right, Hawke can stand by and watch as Meredith impales his sister but no way would he do something as evil (lol) as take that list and use it.....

 

[Sir DeLoria]

My Hawke was radically pro-Templar, my Inquisitor will be radically pro-Templar.

The only fight they'll have is who can take more drinks.

[dantares83]

While I'll never understand the "let's kill Hawke!" mentality some people on these forums have learn to roleplay likable characters, it would be super interesting to make Hawke and the Inquisitor into polar opposites and see what happens when they meet. With poor Varric caught inbetween.

yah, this is what i am talking about. 

 

Varric is a supporter of Hawke whether as a 100% friend or rival (and it is actually hard to get him to rival you 100%). so if Hawke is as anti-mage as possible (i say killing his sister is the most anti-mage thing that he can do. i mean he cannot even kill Carver even though he is a templar. Carver and Cullen will always side with you when fighting Meredith. But you can kill Bethany if you support the templars).

 

So imagine if you try to be pro-mage, i am just wondering what will be the dynamics. Will bioware hush hush (aka choices dont matter and there is a retcon) or give you an option to hunt him down and see what Varric will do. 

 

I doubt Cullen and Cassandra or even Leiliana will mind much. but Varric will.... 

[HiroVoid]

Would you really be willing to have a lot of innocent blood on your hands simply to spite the Qunari? Hawke can do some pretty awful things in DA2 if you choose, but I have a hard time believing that they'd be willing to go that far.

Hawke can sell Fenris into slavery to be used and raped.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hawke can sell Fenris into slavery to be used and raped.

Sell is bad word because all i said was you can take him not my problem and he gave me money.

[Sifr]

1)The Security system was not failing, don't know where you got that idea.
Janeka could never have broken out Corypheus without Hawkes blood, Hawke is the one who decided to take the massive risk of taking on an ancient tevinter magister when he could have just left him imprisoned and killed Janeka

2) So he pauses at being alone in a shack because he needs to keep a low profile but is all to happy to kill Templars in the middle of the chantry? Lol yeah this sounds like the talk of an apologist to me

3) No it doesn't sound like its up Hawkes ally because he initially declined the invitation from Prosper

4) The guy is a wealthy noble and Meredith despite having admirers has many enemies among the nobles and within her own ranks. Hawke can act against her after 3 years but otherwise does nothing beforehand. Theres plenty he could have done, heck even something as simple as writing a letter to Val Royeaux or something but no he decides to stare into his damn fireplace.

5) Yeah sure...Sounds just like the kind of talk from the guy constantly loosing his grip to Justice which is plainly evident when doing that mission.. No you'd have to be blind to think he was just going to play a practical joke. He may not have known it was a bomb but from the way Anders was talking it was going to be something big.

6) What Xil said

Cailan was an idiot for dying at Ostagar, he insisted on being on the front lines even though he has no issue, and no you really do come off as an apologist in my eyes. And I don't let my hatred of DA2 seep into my feelings for Hawke, Hawke is one of the main reasons I hate DA2. People have been complaining since release about how he is a reactive idiot and bioware has even addressed this by stressing how our Inquisitor will be a Proactive protagonist.
 

 

1. Uh, the several codex entries where it's mentioned that the system isn't secure because Corypheus is too poweful to be contained?

 

2. Yeah, Hawke is forced to kill Templars in both Act 1 and 2, but these are typically as a last resort and done out of self-defence rather than being premediated killings. They were already advancing with weapons drawn, it's clear what their intentions were. Explain how you get out of that without killing anyone or being captured?

 

3. That was when it was just another stuffy party. In Act 1, Hawke's family were invited because it was sent to his mother, still believing the Amells were wealthy. Hawke probably declined because going would have just showed up the fact their family were dirt broke. In Act 2, Hawke's got a lot on their plate with the Qunari (which is why I really don't think MotA "canonically" happens in Act 2 at all) and no time for a party, while in Act 3, it's mentioned offhand that Hawke's invited to several parties a week.

 

4. But you're forgetting that by Act 3, Meredith's gone from being marginally unstable to being fully onboard the crazy train. And I really think you're underestimating the power that Templars have within Kirkwall. We know that the previous Viscount before Dumar tried to overthrow the Templars and boot them out of the city, but after killing the Knight-Commander, the remaining forces left alive rallied under Meredith, marched on the Viscount's Keep and ended up imprisoning him instead. Whether Meredith is crazy or not, you simply don't move against the Templars in Kirkwall without a lot of people backing your corner and a lot of armed support. Where is Hawke supposed to get this army from? And where does this "stare into the fire for three years" thing come from? Hawke does that once in the entire game, immediately after their mother is brutally murdered? I think being a little shellshocked is pretty justified?

 

5. Again, Anders has been going on about Mages, Templars and his struggle with Justice for years... everyone's gotten used to it by now. And yes, Hawke should have asked more questions, but it's obvious that Hawke wasn't thinking that whatever he was planning would be something so devastating. Even if you figured out it was a bomb (something Hawke wouldn't know with no knowledge of explosives), making something that can cause that kind of explosion is something that I still don't know how Anders knew how to do? And let's all be honest, without having read any spoilers, did you see that coming the first time you played that quest? Because most people didn't.

 

6. Answered in my previous post.

 

I think you're just letting your disdain for Hawke ruin your objectivity. It doesn't make me an apologist to defend the game, since I can admit that at times Hawke isn't that much of a proactive character and could have done a lot of things differently. I just don't see how that ruins them as a character, nor do I see the sense in blaming them for a ton of things outside of their control or knowledge, which any normal person would probably have done in their situation?

[Lumix19]

1. Uh, the several codex entries where it's mentioned that the system isn't secure because Corypheus is too poweful to be contained?

 

2. Yeah, Hawke is forced to kill Templars in both Act 1 and 2, but these are typically as a last resort and done out of self-defence rather than being premediated killings. They were already advancing with weapons drawn, it's clear what their intentions were. Explain how you get out of that without killing anyone or being captured?

 

3. That was when it was just another stuffy party. In Act 1, Hawke's family were invited because it was sent to his mother, still believing the Amells were wealthy. Hawke probably declined because going would have just showed up the fact their family were dirt broke. In Act 2, Hawke's got a lot on their plate with the Qunari (which is why I really don't think MotA "canonically" happens in Act 2 at all) and no time for a party, while in Act 3, it's mentioned offhand that Hawke's invited to several parties a week.

 

4. But you're forgetting that by Act 3, Meredith's gone from being marginally unstable to being fully onboard the crazy train. And I really think you're underestimating the power that Templars have within Kirkwall. We know that the previous Viscount before Dumar tried to overthrow the Templars and boot them out of the city, but after killing the Knight-Commander, the remaining forces left alive rallied under Meredith, marched on the Viscount's Keep and ended up imprisoning him instead. Whether Meredith is crazy or not, you simply don't move against the Templars in Kirkwall without a lot of people backing your corner and a lot of armed support. Where is Hawke supposed to get this army from? And where does this "stare into the fire for three years" thing come from? Hawke does that once in the entire game, immediately after their mother is brutally murdered? I think being a little shellshocked is pretty justified?

 

5. Again, Anders has been going on about Mages, Templars and his struggle with Justice for years... everyone's gotten used to it by now. And yes, Hawke should have asked more questions, but it's obvious that Hawke wasn't thinking that whatever he was planning would be something so devastating. Even if you figured out it was a bomb (something Hawke wouldn't know with no knowledge of explosives), making something that can cause that kind of explosion is something that I still don't know how Anders knew how to do? And let's all be honest, without having read any spoilers, did you see that coming the first time you played that quest? Because most people didn't.

 

6. Answered in my previous post.

 

I think you're just letting your disdain for Hawke ruin your objectivity. It doesn't make me an apologist to defend the game, since I can admit that at times Hawke isn't that much of a proactive character and could have done a lot of things differently. I just don't see how that ruins them as a character, nor do I see the sense in blaming them for a ton of things outside of their control or knowledge, which any normal person would probably have done in their situation?

Just to add to his but isn't it implied that Corypheus' seals prevent anyone from leaving the prison as well? Unless of course you wish to be trapped down in that prison until the seals expire.

 

Edit:

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I like Hawke as a character and it's ridiculous to assume that he/she is could have helped prevent the numerous problems that were occurring in Kirkwall.