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[NoForgiveness]

1) as a website it's pretty much accessible to everyone. It may be a shocker to learn but if you can waste your time on this site you can easily do the same on another site.

2) angry Joe is not someone I would trust to review any game I was looking into. Anger usually doesn't make for rational Thought processes. The only thing he's really good for is laughs and I get those elsewhere(Francis).

[ExelArtz]

1) as a website it's pretty much accessible to everyone. It may be a shocker to learn but if you can waste your time on this site you can easily do the same on another site.

2) angry Joe is not someone I would trust to review any game I was looking into. Anger usually doesn't make for rational Thought processes. The only thing he's really good for is laughs and I get those elsewhere(Francis).

a disk or download would be easier, to get the keep info ill have to leave the game and hope ill be near an internet source with my console to get the info for my gameplay not everyone has internet good enough to connect there console too

[Stronglav]

I think I'm just gonna wait for the downloadble saves website.Like this one:

 

http://www.masseffectsaves.com/

 

Or play on default story.I'm not gonna share and upload my personal information to some Keep

or whatever.Call me paranoid.@Joker.

Personally I think they shoulda made like in Mass Effect safe transfer with all my decisions.

That would make people to replay both DAO and DA2 from the start to get world how they want it to be.

[RevilFox]

I'm not sure if this was changed but having the keep only accessible online is BS! change this! we never had to do this for dragon age or even mass effect, adding another disc or having it a downloadable would be better then having to go to a SITE!

 

 

One of the primary reasons they made this change is because the save game importer for Mass Effect and Dragon Age never actually worked correctly. Doing it this way they can actually fix any issues that are wrong. It's also the only way to account for people having played DAO or DA2 on, say, the Xbox 360, but now playing DAI on the PS4.

[Icefalcon]

The only other way it could possibly work is if the Keep were an optional part of your game. On the game disk like a sort of DLC. That way you could fill in all your info before you began a game and as it's all the same system it would then read it seamlessly.

 

The major issue with this is of course there is no way to import previous characters look.

[JudgeOverdose]

Keep is a website where you go and make decisions for your world state. You can spend maybe 20 minutes (give or take) making your first world state, and the familiarity will allow you to make additional world states more quickly. You save your world states there, and load one of them (from the interwebz) when you start a new game; the world state you choose is locked in at the beginning of each DA:I play-through. There is no need to return to The Keep after that; you don't need to be connected to The Keep to play DA:I.

 

I am in doubt that they will make a downloadable version of The Keep, since it is in relative flux and new choices are being added on (what seems to be) a regular basis. But, I could be wrong -- this is a valid idea, and it is possible that it will happen if there is enough fan demand for it. Who knows?

[Asdrubael Vect]

One of the primary reasons they made this change is because the save game importer for Mass Effect and Dragon Age never actually worked correctly. Doing it this way they can actually fix any issues that are wrong. It's also the only way to account for people having played DAO or DA2 on, say, the Xbox 360, but now playing DAI on the PS4.

bullsh*t if they create the site what do the same as program do, they SURE CAN DO a prograrm what do the same as site do because site it is a program what was made as available via internet

 

Keep works at the same rules as program do, they are no different exept that site available for each platform via internet conection and not downloaded in your hard drive

 

i am not think that bio do the non-internet connected version of keep for the matters of bisness and keeping our info

 

but players will do as they do in previous times before...its a matters of weeks or month

 

and without a program internet will be full of the players desidions versions of what you wanted and as you played

[caradoc2000]

The keep is an entirely optional feature, you can just use the default back story.

[Fredward]

I don't even see why it needs to be online at all, it seems like something that could easily be put on the game disc itself.

[Phnx]

I'm not sure if this was changed but having the keep only accessible online is BS! change this! we never had to do this for dragon age or even mass effect, adding another disc or having it a downloadable would be better then having to go to a SITE!

 

Angry Joe-If i have to leave the game for an aspect of your game that aspect of the game has failed and you failed!

+1

[Asdrubael Vect]

I don't even see why it needs to be online at all, it seems like something that could easily be put on the game disc itself.

 matters of bisness and keeping our info

[dutch_gamer]

I don't even see why it needs to be online at all, it seems like something that could easily be put on the game disc itself.

If it is on the disc it would likely lead to the issues they tried to solve by having it online in the first place. Once it is offline they would again have longer update cycles, something they tried to eliminate. Not to mention it would increase the likelihood of bugs once again.

And the OP makes no sense. He is completely against accessing the Internet to use a program claiming his Internet is not good enough or something like that but yet he can get on this forum and yet somehow downloading a program is not an issue. One would think that if your Internet is bad or nonexistent that downloading is not an option or actually much harder. Not to mention that if you have a slow Internet and could download the Keep keeping the Keep updated would be much more taxing with bad Internet than accessing a simple website.
 

matters of bisness and keeping our info

What info? Seriously, if you can post on this forum you already have an Origin account and that is all the Keep uses as well. If it is not that I fail to see how a world state in the Keep is about keeping our info or how it is a matter of business. I didn't know some of us were actually truly the Warden or Hawke.

The Keep does NOT require personal information.

[c00lgy24]

Keep is a website where you go and make decisions for your world state. You can spend maybe 20 minutes (give or take) making your first world state, and the familiarity will allow you to make additional world states more quickly. You save your world states there, and load one of them (from the interwebz) when you start a new game; the world state you choose is locked in at the beginning of each DA:I play-through. There is no need to return to The Keep after that; you don't need to be connected to The Keep to play DA:I.

 

I am in doubt that they will make a downloadable version of The Keep, since it is in relative flux and new choices are being added on (what seems to be) a regular basis. But, I could be wrong -- this is a valid idea, and it is possible that it will happen if there is enough fan demand for it. Who knows?

 

 

If it is on the disc it would likely lead to the issues they tried to solve by having it online in the first place. Once it is offline they would again have longer update cycles, something they tried to eliminate. Not to mention it would increase the likelihood of bugs once again.

And the OP makes no sense. He is completely against accessing the Internet to use a program claiming his Internet is not good enough or something like that but yet he can get on this forum and yet somehow downloading a program is not an issue. One would think that if your Internet is bad or nonexistent that downloading is not an option or actually much harder. Not to mention that if you have a slow Internet and could download the Keep keeping the Keep updated would be much more taxing with bad Internet than accessing a simple website.
 
What info? Seriously, if you can post on this forum you already have an Origin account and that is all the Keep uses as well. If it is not that I fail to see how a world state in the Keep is about keeping our info or how it is a matter of business. I didn't know some of us were actually truly the Warden or Hawke.

The Keep does NOT require personal information.

 

Please refer to these fine , smart , logical people for my thoughts on the matter as well . I'm actually lucky enough to get in the the Beta Keep . Some of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill , my suggestion wait for more info or for it to actually release by the end of Oct. then complain to your hearts content . It really is quite interesting and I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how efficient and easy it is , even with a crappy internet connection ! 

[Vox Draco]

*sigh* I guess we have to endure such "complaints" instead of the complaints like "why can't we import our saves?! Bioware you suck!" ?

 

Really, the idea itself is cool (though I will pass final judgement on how cool once I accessed it), and it might be a good way for future titles to keep player-worlds up to date. Online? So what? You have to be online at least once anyway to register the game on Origins, or am I wrong with that? So while doing this access Dragon Keep, only one Online-session to go ^^

[androniic]

The keep is not apart of the game... It is OPTIONAL to use. It does nothing more then import something, which again is optional.

The keep requires you to have an Origin account anyway so there's your "download" alternative right there.

 

Oh and that quote is from a "review" Angry Joe did on Destiny. Where you had to go to Bungies website to learn about the lore you found ingame. The keep is nothing like that at all.

[c00lgy24]

Wait, I have to have Origin installed to use the Keep?  I don't use Steam, so I'm definitely not going to use Origin.

 

EDIT:  Anymore, at least, to both.

 

An Origin account as in the user name and password you used to sign into and post on this forum .

[TheJiveDJ]

bullsh*t if they create the site what do the same as program do, they SURE CAN DO a prograrm what do the same as site do because site it is a program what was made as available via internet

 

Keep works at the same rules as program do, they are no different exept that site available for each platform via internet conection and not downloaded in your hard drive

 

i am not think that bio do the non-internet connected version of keep for the matters of bisness and keeping our info

 

but players will do as they do in previous times before...its a matters of weeks or month

 

and without a program internet will be full of the players desidions versions of what you wanted and as you played

 

The benefit of making the Keep a separate module unto itself is pretty clear: They can update and make changes to the Keep without introducing any new bugs or cascade issues to DAI itself. Were the Keep integrated into DAI, it would be a much more difficult task to patch things in. Now the counter to this would be, well why not just make Keep a separate download module not integrated into DAI? Honestly, the only reason I can come up with is resources; dedicating time to a separate Keep DLC would take dev time away from the browser Keep.

I'm not without sympathy however; I understand your concerns perfectly. I think a good compromise would be to have a Keep phone app where one could construct their world state offline, and then quickly connect to the internet to send the world state to DAI. I'm sure BW understands the concerns of offline users, and hopefully they can come up with some kind of solution.

[RevilFox]

bullsh*t if they create the site what do the same as program do, they SURE CAN DO a prograrm what do the same as site do because site it is a program what was made as available via internet

 

Keep works at the same rules as program do, they are no different exept that site available for each platform via internet conection and not downloaded in your hard drive

 

i am not think that bio do the non-internet connected version of keep for the matters of bisness and keeping our info

 

but players will do as they do in previous times before...its a matters of weeks or month

 

and without a program internet will be full of the players desidions versions of what you wanted and as you played

 

The importer from Dragon Age: Origin to Dragon Age 2 was broken in a lot of respects. There were a number of plot flags that were not saved correctly, and, as such, a number of choices made in DA:O did not port over to DA2. If they wanted to fix this issue they would have had to release a patch for the game. That would have required you to connect to the internet to download. Just like you have to connect to the internet for a short amount of time to access the Keep. As has been said by the devs on numerous occasions at this point, the patch solution was never ideal because it allowed for less testing of every possible world state.

 

Just so everyone is clear, you do not need to always be connected to the internet to use the Keep. You need to connect to the internet for a short amount of time so you can transfer your world state, and then you can play as normal, disconnected to the internet. 

[Kantr]

It will take the game 40ms to import the worldstate from the keep. Now they didnt say what kind of connection they had, but thats not long at all.

[The Antagonist]

gibbed might release a save editor/generator as they did for ME and DA2.

[LenaMarie]

I'd prefer a IOS/Android app for the keep!

[Kantr]

I'd prefer a IOS/Android app for the keep!

It's HTML5 so no need for an app.

[Kali073]

I don't really understand what is meant with 'leave the game' to do the keep.

 

It was my impression that as soon as the Keep is released (which will be well ahead of the game's release) we can enter it and create or world state. Depending on when the Keep  is released we can do this a week or more before the game comes out and never have to touch the keep again unless we want to create a new world state or change an existing one. When the game is actually released all we have to do is to import that world state like we would a save import in previous games without 'leaving the game'.

 

Or have I misunderstood? Because if I haven't I don't really see the issue on that point (<-not referring to internet connection issues).