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[RobRam10]

 

Get them to support Gaspard, get Briala to become allied with Gaspard, and everything will fall into place.

This is heresy. The only thing Briala needs is death.

[Mihura]

Good luck with that.

 

They tend to have disorienting effects upon non elves.

 

Not to mention i wouldn't be surprised if much of the network was worthless.

 

It was constructed quite a long time ago after all, and every entrance into it so far has been a buried underground ruin.

 

You mean humans, well I would make sure only elves or dwarves(not sure about the effect on them) pass there. Still doable for assassin or spies and supplies. Celene idea was not that bad.

 

But yes it is not a stable solution and quite unpredictable, especially the way Briala reacted to it.
 

 

What's best for Thedas is being strong and unified.

 

A renewed Orlesian Empire will only help.

 

Not saying I do not agree but I doubt Ferelden is gonna to see it that way. Gaspard wanted war, unless he changed is stance on it, I am not seeing unification at the moment. The Free Marches are not exactly stable either and Antiva had or has a civil war. The Anderfels seem to going on civil war or at least unstable power struggles. Not sure about Nevarra.

So I am not seeing a stable Thedas, even with Orlais strong and after the Fifth Blight, now a problem with demons in the same Dragon era? I would say the Qunari have their work cut for them.

 

[Augustei]

You mean humans, well I would make sure only elves or dwarves(not sure about the effect on them) pass there. Still doable for assassin or spies and supplies. Celene idea was not that bad.

 

But yes it is not a stable solution and quite unpredictable, especially the way Briala reacted to it.
 

 

 

Not saying I do not agree but I doubt Ferelden is gonna to see it that way. Gaspard wanted war, unless he changed is stance on it, I am not seeing unification at the moment. The Free Marches are not exactly stable either and Antiva had or has a civil war. The Anderfels seem to going on civil war or at least unstable power struggles. Not sure about Nevarra.

So I am not seeing a stable Thedas, even with Orlais strong and after the Fifth Blight, now a problem with demons in the same Dragon era? I would say the Qunari have their work cut for them.

Nevarra has a sucession crisis on its hands. Its current ruler Markus Pentaghast has no children and is A puppet to the Mortalitasi mage advisors. His brother and heir also has no children and no desire for the throne. Many of the noble families are desireous for the throne themselves as well as many members among the Pentaghast and Van Markham clans
**** is about to hit the fan in Nevarra

[Mihura]

Nevarra has a sucession crisis on its hands. Its current ruler Markus Pentaghast has no children and is A puppet to the Mortalitasi mage advisors. His brother and heir also has no children and no desire for the throne. Many of the noble families are desireous for the throne themselves as well as many members among the Pentaghast and Van Markham clans
**** is about to hit the fan in Nevarra

 

I guess, I rest my case than lol

[HK-90210]

Pfft Fereldan will be unimportant in any future conflict like it has been in every conflict prior in history.

 

Seriously its contributions to history since the time of Andraste haven't gone beyond their borders.

 

DAO being the only notable exception.

 

That is true about Ferelden in the past, but if war occurs between them and Orlais, it won't just be Fereldens dying. Orlais is already on shaky ground, especially once the casualties of the current civil war are tallied. I respect and admire the might of the chevaliers, but invading Ferelden after this civil war is nothing short of lunacy. It will leave them vulnerable to Tevinter and Nevarra, two nations who have been in states of relative peace for the whole of the Dragon Age so far, Tevinter's ongoing scuffle with the Qunari being the exception.

 

We need Orlais strong if the Qunari heathens are to be purged from Thedas. I don;t want any wars with another Andrastian nation interfering with that.

[Daerog]

And having Orlais and Fereldan vulnerable to Nevarra would be a bad thing?

 

I think Nevarra should just convert to the Imperial Chantry (they already have privileged mages), ally with Tevinter (could trade magic knowledge, discourage blood magic and slavery), and be the one to lead Thedas against a possible Qunari invasion... if not take action and be the ones to invade Seheron.

 

Still, while I haven't read the book, from what I've gathered on these forums and other sources, I don't think Gaspard is the kind of guy who would jump into a new war with another nation right after a civil war and an international crisis. They would have to recover first, and by then new opportunities may arise to help Orlais, like maybe new trade with lyrium or incorporating enchantments into their fashion when the Circles come under control of their respective nations...

[WarriorOfLight999]

A pox on the Orlesian Empire

 

 

This. This so much.

 

What have the Orlesians ever done but bring harm and misery? They tried to invade Ferelden by linking their Wardens with chevalier assistance, attempted to have Cailan merge the country with Orlais by marrying Celene, and are still trying to take Ferelden back, even as they are recovering from a Blight. I could go on.

 

I say screw em, let them rot. Let them see how it feels to be invaded by supernatural powers, surrounded by foreign enemies, their land in brutal civil war. Not a single tear will be shed for their hardships. And if they dare to claim our lands again, my Queen will be waiting for them, sword in hand.

[Andraste Take the Wheel]

I'm gone for two days and people start worshiping Celene. Off with her head. And Gaspard's too. A pox on the Orlesian empire.

 

This. This so much.

 

What have the Orlesians ever done but bring harm and misery? They tried to invade Ferelden by linking their Wardens with chevalier assistance, attempted to have Cailan merge the country with Orlais by marrying Celene, and are still trying to take Ferelden back, even as they are recovering from a Blight. I could go on.

 

I say screw em, let them rot. Let them see how it feels to be invaded by supernatural powers, surrounded by foreign enemies, their land in brutal civil war. Not a single tear will be shed for their hardships. And if they dare to claim our lands again, my Queen will be waiting for them, sword in hand.

 

For Ferelden, my friends, for Ferelden.

[raging_monkey]

For Ferelden, my friends, for Ferelden.

as a recent tevinter immigrant i shall lend to coin and other resources to aid you endeavor... i am still fond of the homeland

[Altima Darkspells]

That is true about Ferelden in the past, but if war occurs between them and Orlais, it won't just be Fereldens dying. Orlais is already on shaky ground, especially once the casualties of the current civil war are tallied. I respect and admire the might of the chevaliers, but invading Ferelden after this civil war is nothing short of lunacy. It will leave them vulnerable to Tevinter and Nevarra, two nations who have been in states of relative peace for the whole of the Dragon Age so far, Tevinter's ongoing scuffle with the Qunari being the exception.
 
We need Orlais strong if the Qunari heathens are to be purged from Thedas. I don;t want any wars with another Andrastian nation interfering with that.

You're not considering how it will work in Gaspard's mind. The only reason he's trying to renew the war between Ferelden and Orlais is because it will gain him prestige and focus Orlais into what he believes is its rightful path.

Traditionally, foreign wars have also been a way of focusing and treating domestic unrest (which often happens after civil wars). So, yes, it's entirely possible that Orlais would turn right back around and invade Ferelden if Gaspard were to win.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I wonder how Anora feels about the whole Orlesian civil war thing, anyway. 

 

I mean, I'm sure Teagan told her that Gaspard would probably be troublesome, but I'm sure she would take some small measure of satisfaction in the thought of Celene with a war on her hands. Damned Orlesian was gonna marry Cailan after all... :S

 

Or Loghain for that matter. Hell, his potential cameo should just be him laughing as Orlesians kill each other around him. 

[myahele]

I wonder if Anora and her elf slave are also lovers?

 

Would be a nice parallel to the 2

[Shadow Fox]

This. This so much.

 

What have the Orlesians ever done but bring harm and misery? They tried to invade Ferelden by linking their Wardens with chevalier assistance, attempted to have Cailan merge the country with Orlais by marrying Celene, and are still trying to take Ferelden back, even as they are recovering from a Blight. I could go on.

 

I say screw em, let them rot. Let them see how it feels to be invaded by supernatural powers, surrounded by foreign enemies, their land in brutal civil war. Not a single tear will be shed for their hardships. And if they dare to claim our lands again, my Queen will be waiting for them, sword in hand.

Ferelden aint that much better though...

[boissiere]

I think our choices will modify this point a lot... I would love to be able to recruit Morrigan too under certain circumstances. (If you side with Orlais and only a magical and diplomatical adviser like Vivienne).

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ferelden aint that much better though...

depends if you talk in matter that ferelden isn't more "decent" than orlais hardly as their commoners have much more rights than in orlais what is said even by orlesian not mention that ferelden didn't seem very abusive for it peoples.As well while there is corruption ferelden politics don't promote corruption like orlesian do.But when you look on treatment of elves things are smiliar save for some places in ferelden.

 

 

[Dark Helmet]

Or Loghain for that matter. Hell, his potential cameo should just be him laughing as Orlesians kill each other around him. 

 

*Thousands of Orlesians lie dead on the field*

Loghain: And it isn't even my birthday!

[HK-90210]

This. This so much.

 

What have the Orlesians ever done but bring harm and misery? They tried to invade Ferelden by linking their Wardens with chevalier assistance, attempted to have Cailan merge the country with Orlais by marrying Celene, and are still trying to take Ferelden back, even as they are recovering from a Blight. I could go on.

 

I say screw em, let them rot. Let them see how it feels to be invaded by supernatural powers, surrounded by foreign enemies, their land in brutal civil war. Not a single tear will be shed for their hardships. And if they dare to claim our lands again, my Queen will be waiting for them, sword in hand.

 

Yeah, besides providing a solid portion of the armed forces during the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Blights, holding the line against Tevinter and its rampant blood-magic, and freeing Antiva, Kirkwall and Rivain from the tyranny of the Qun, what has Orlais EVER done for Thedas?

 

And lets not forget that Orlais was the only nation even willing to lift a finger to help Ferelden when it was being ravaged by the darkspawn. The Free Marches were turning refugees away, while Nevarra, Antiva and Rivain had little to no reaction beyond, "Oh, a Blight happened?". Ferelden(Well, Loghain, mostly) was too hateful, proud and scarred to accept even token help from anyone, not even the Grey Wardens. Had it not been for the Warden, the entire nation would have fallen to the point where Orlais would have had no choice but to secure their own borders and leave the birthplace of Andraste to rot. I love Ferelden and all. I truly do. And Anora is hands down my favorite monarch we've seen so far. But Loghain was an idiot, and Ferelden was an idiot to let him take control. He had some valid reasons in his own mind, but by the time the Landsmeet occurs, the man had no plan beyond "Everyone should get behind me, cause I'm the ONLY one who can do this." And lo and behold, he couldn't.

 

And tell me this: Why is Celene courting Cailan a slight on Orlais? Sounds like Cailan was the one worth criticizing in that case. Celene was making a legitimate power play, and Cailan was eating it up. It's the one play I respect Celene for making, and one in a series of Cailan's blunders.

 

To be clear, I am NOT saying that Orlais has been all good. It's record against the elves sucks. It's invasion and occupation of Ferelden was unjust and tyrannical. But to say that it has brought "nothing but harm and misery" is incredibly ignorant of Thedosian history. I'm constantly amazed at all the people willing to criticize Orlais, but whenever the Qunari decide to invade again, or Tevinter decides that they deserve to conquer Nevarra, or the Darkspawn show their ugly faces in the Free Marches again, the very FIRST nation people are going to look to is still going to be Orlais. And there is NO way that the Inquisitor will be able to close the Breach without at least a solid portion of the Olesian military behind him/her.

 

Man, I never realized just how much I liked Orlais until I typed this. Huh.

[Spectre Impersonator]

It seems a lot of you Dragon Age fans are more blood-thirsty than Knight Commander Meredith and Ramsay Bolton combined.

[raging_monkey]

It seems a lot of you Dragon Age fans are more blood-thirsty than Knight Commander Meredith and Ramsay Bolton combined.

its the bsn most of us are madmen lol
MT issue:kill each other
Elf issue : kill the elves
Nationalities: kill eachother
Maddness lol *note im teasing and mean no malice to others*

[WarriorOfLight999]

For Thedas? Perhaps. The question was more geared towards Ferelden. We know very, very little about the other Blights. That help could have been anything.

 

You frame their actions as altruistic, but really, how does the average Thedosian view Fereldens? Nothing but barbaric dog lords. Orlais was using the Blight to push Ferelden into very uncomfortable terms, the marriage between Cailan and Celene being part of it. Loghain WAS foolish, but rejecting Orlesian 'help' wasn't one of his mistakes. I'm convinced that most heads of state are aware of the Grey Warden secrets, but Loghain was not, which meant that Duncan clearly made an error in judgement. The Wardens have not exactly given Loghain much reason to trust them (The Calling).

 

Yes, correct. The other nations didn't help. A scratch against them as well. Loghain should have sought aid from them instead. Also correct is your estimation of Celene's move, I did not mean to portray it otherwise. It is a slight on Ferelden, not Orlais, that Cailan would marry Celene, and thus turn Ferelden into a puppet kingdom.

 

And yes, absolutely, we will need Orlais. That doesn't mean I will be working toward improving the lot of their nobility. I'll risk my life for their innocents, perhaps, but not for their arrogant, tiresome elite.

[Steelcan]

It seems a lot of you Dragon Age fans are more blood-thirsty than Knight Commander Meredith and Ramsay Bolton combined.

a match made in heaven the deepest of the seven hells

[In Exile]

For Thedas? Perhaps. The question was more geared towards Ferelden. We know very, very little about the other Blights. That help could have been anything.

 

You frame their actions as altruistic, but really, how does the average Thedosian view Fereldens? Nothing but barbaric dog lords. Orlais was using the Blight to push Ferelden into very uncomfortable terms, the marriage between Cailan and Celene being part of it. Loghain WAS foolish, but rejecting Orlesian 'help' wasn't one of his mistakes. I'm convinced that most heads of state are aware of the Grey Warden secrets, but Loghain was not, which meant that Duncan clearly made an error in judgement. The Wardens have not exactly given Loghain much reason to trust them (The Calling).

 

Yes, correct. The other nations didn't help. A scratch against them as well. Loghain should have sought aid from them instead. Also correct is your estimation of Celene's move, I did not mean to portray it otherwise. It is a slight on Ferelden, not Orlais, that Cailan would marry Celene, and thus turn Ferelden into a puppet kingdom.

 

And yes, absolutely, we will need Orlais. That doesn't mean I will be working toward improving the lot of their nobility. I'll risk my life for their innocents, perhaps, but not for their arrogant, tiresome elite.

 

It's hard to pick who was stupider between Loghain, Cailan and Duncan at Ostagar. Cailain was more visibly idiotic, but in hindsight Duncan adopted the strategy most likely to doom all of Thedas Loghain adopted tactics guaranteed to lose the battle... so I guess it's really Duncan > Loghain > Cailan on the incompetence scale. 

[Daerog]

Loghain adopted tactics to lose the battle, but conserve enough resources to try to win the war. They were all doomed at Ostagar from the start without reinforcements from Orlais.

 

But Loghain is not the focus of this thread, so...

 

Celene, Gaspard, whatever, we'll see how they are in game during the civil war, but Gaspard has a few more points than Celene at this time for me.

 

I've already said that...

Ummm....

 

How about anyone willing to produce an heir at this point, why set up a ruler who won't set up a dynasty and just cause competition for the throne to happen anyway in the near future?

[In Exile]

Loghain adopted tactics to lose the battle, but conserve enough resources to try to win the war. They were all doomed at Ostagar from the start without reinforcements from Orlais.

 

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about his childish and moronic battle plan against the darkspawn, which boils down to pincer against a numerically unknown whose who so far has killed all of your scouts, and begins with setting out his men on the wrong side of a choke point.