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[Spectre Impersonator]

i would make a sarcastic joke about victimless crimes but my morales say she was wrong about that course of action.

But really we all have chosen a side doubtful that any of us will change them lol

*Note i support neigher side and any joke i made toward elves we satirical and mainly mock human rationales on the subject. Moderate elven supporter*

You don't need the disclaimers here.  Pretty sure nothing you've said is offensive since elves are fictional.

 

Celene tries to convince herself she does care about these victims though and yet she can't stop creating more of them. This speaks to ineptitude in my book.

[Drasanil]

I really wish more people in this thread would use periods and/or capital letters. It'd be a lot easier to read. 

 

Got to love the ignore list. If your abysmal writing hurts my brain, I won't even think twice about putting you on it. It's pretty much the only thing I block people for and it makes reading threads so much more enjoyable  

[raging_monkey]

You don't need the disclaimers here.  Pretty sure nothing you've said is offensive since elves are fictional.
 
Celene tries to convince herself she does care about these victims though and yet she can't stop creating more of them. This speaks to ineptitude in my book.

it was for anti elf players in general. Just covering my arse lol

And i only have 1 thing negative to say about the political climate: all good intentions lead to hell. Whileball sides try to do right for orlais or elves they are causing more problems then solutions. If i had to choice id go for celene, shes easier to swallow for me, gaspard is a bit too adaptable forbmy liking and just cause your honest doesnt mean your the best choice but hey im a joker what do i know lol

[ComedicSociopathy]

Celene has noble and progressive ideals that can quite possibly lead to true equality for the elven people in Orlais, but the evidence shows that she easily cracks under pressure and is willing to quickly abandon said ideals the moment they endanger her role as Empress. I suppose she rationalizes that and many other unsavory acts she's committed by telling herself that if she loses power then no one in Orlais will support the elves. Still, you can't murder three thousand elven citizens and seriously hope that they'll still see as their human savior. Sure didn't work on Briala. 

 

So Celene gets no support. 

 

And Gaspard? The man's a chevalier, you know those guys who are feared by their own people because they have almost no accountability. Those guys whose "honor" allows them to get drunk and go off and murder any elf that's unlucky enough to be near them at the time. The man's just as manipulative as Celene, if not more so, and he openly plans to restate a war with Felelden in the hopes that it will "unite the nation." What the heck does that mean? You're saying that a war that will cost the lives of tens of thousands will bring your empire together? How about you just be a good emperor and use your political know-how to unite the flipping empire. Oh, and his sense of honor. Honor is bovine manure. Just because the man doesn't torture people doesn't mean he's a saint or even trustworthy, it just means that out of all the underhand and vile things he can do, torture won't be one of them.

 

So Gaspard gets no support.  

 

Which leaves... Briala. Freedom fighter who wants to give the downtrodden a chance of actually equality and perhaps a homeland of their own. Yeah, she's the only see candidate that I see who has her priorities and values straight. Total support given. At least for the moment anyway. Really can't make an intelligent choice until DA: I comes out. 

[Spectre Impersonator]

No doubt some of us would gladly seat Celene or Gaspard on the throne simply because they will inevitably cause damage to Orlais. Choosing the best ruler for the nation doesn't mean the best for our Inquisitors or for the rest of Thedas. The culture and the Game are poison.

[ComedicSociopathy]

No doubt some of us would gladly seat Celene or Gaspard on the throne simply because they will inevitably cause damage to Orlais. Choosing the best ruler for the nation doesn't mean the best for our Inquisitors or for the rest of Thedas. The culture and the Game are poison.

 

So by purposely putting a weak ruler on the throne I'm going to condemn an entire nation, thousands of innocent people to said ruler's ineptitude and hypocrisy. Orlais doesn't have the greatest culture in Thedas, I would even argue that there isn't even a best culture in Thedas, but I'm not going to destabilize the entire country "For The Greater Good." 

 

That's just... wrong, sad and really stupid. Heck, if that's ultimately Briala master plan to help the elves then the Inquisitor is either going to have to stop her or convince her that she's going way to far. Don't punish an entire populace just because of the acts of their leaders. 

[RobRam10]

Got to love the ignore list. If your abysmal writing hurts my brain, I won't even think twice about putting you on it. It's pretty much the only thing I block people for and it makes reading threads so much more enjoyable

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[Drasanil]

heresyaboundithinkishouldbeemprahoforlayiwouldmakeafineemprahoforlaymagocracyhereigo

 

Nice try but 1) you're on my friend list and 2) that's not even near as brain-hurting as the people I added to the list. Maybe if you tried some Cowlat Heresy?

 

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[RobRam10]

Nice try but 1) you're on my friend list and 2) that's not even near as brain-hurting as the people I added to the list. Maybe if you tried some Cowlat Heresy?

 

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Imperial Chancellor? Arch Duke of Montsimmard?

Also I can't in my life speak that heretical mooing sounds that heretics call language.

 

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[Drasanil]

Imperial Chancellor? Arch Duke of Montsimmard?

 

Well, you twisted my arm, but sure, I can live with those. longlivethenewmagocracy 

 

Also I can't in my life speak that heretical mooing sounds that heretics call language.

 

Ugh, I know right? I mean really Moo this MooQun that, someone should resettle those mettlesome bovines in proper countryside farms for everyone's sake.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

Empress Celine, i would say she was neither a traitor, or a savior. She merely acted as she thought what was best for her nation as a whole and not just for herself. How she handled it was Poorly done, but what can you do, she's young, and a Bard, not a Soldier.

Gaspar would be the better choice if he was not a simple war monger that wanted power. in the End Celine is probably my Vote for dealing with the Civil war.

[Altima Darkspells]

Which leaves... Briala. Freedom fighter who wants to give the downtrodden a chance of actually equality and perhaps a homeland of their own. Yeah, she's the only see candidate that I see who has her priorities and values straight. Total support given. At least for the moment anyway. Really can't make an intelligent choice until DA: I comes out.

Except Briala's position is to only help the city elves (not all elves, as the Dalish don't view city elves as elves at all) AND she wants to encourage and extend the Orlesian civil war, which will most likely result in tens of thousands of extra casualties. Civil wars are nasty, and the peasantry--the class that have almost no position or power--will suffer the most.

So yeah, Briala is something of a monster herself, we just don't see it in the novel. Potentially, we may see it in DAI. I wouldn't be surprised if the Inquisitor demanded use of the Illuvians for something.

[Andreas Amell]

I thought Empress Celene was trained as a bard in her youth...

 

Anyway, if the subject of support comes up in the game, I'll side with whomever doesn't want to re-annex Ferelden!

 

For Ferelden Independence!

 

Tevinter...now there's a country worth invading.

[Drasanil]

I thought Empress Celene was trained as a bard in her youth...

 

Anyway, if the subject of support comes up in the game, I'll side with whomever doesn't want to re-annex Ferelden!

 

For Ferelden Independence!

 

Tevinter...now there's a country worth invading.

 

 

That's like... DOUBLE-HERESY! 

 

That said, please feel free to invade Tevinter as much as you like. Truly, it is so much easier when the slaves just walk up and deliver themselves, as opposed to having to go through all the bother of fetching them in their homelands 

[WarriorOfLight999]

@ComedicSociopath

 

It's not like we are ordering the execution or enslavement of every single innocent Orlesian. We just want the most docile, daft Orlesian fop on the throne so they won't be invading other countries for at least another decade.

 

Besides, they were quite content with playing the political game with Ferelden when they offered their 'help' during the Blight. I think turnabout is fair play. If refugees want to cross the Frostbacks or take ship to Amaranthine, I don't think my Queen will oppose that (as opposed to those scumbag Kirkwallers). But trying to fish for sympathy for their government who wanted to attack us even after the Blight ended will avail you not.

[RobRam10]

Tevinter...now there's a country worth invading.

[Andreas Amell]

 

 

Yes, Tevinter is a monster waiting to be slain.

[Drasanil]

 

@ComedicSociopath

 

It's not like we are ordering the execution or enslavement of every single innocent Orlesian. We just want the most docile, daft Orlesian fop on the throne so they won't be invading other countries for at least another decade.

 

Besides, they were quite content with playing the political game with Ferelden when they offered their 'help' during the Blight. I think turnabout is fair play. If refugees want to cross the Frostbacks or take ship to Amaranthine, I don't think my Queen will oppose that (as opposed to those scumbag Kirkwallers). But trying to fish for sympathy for their government who wanted to attack us even after the Blight ended will avail you not.

 

You do realise you're playing a free-marcher in this game and not a dog-botherer right? 

 

As for Orlesian foppery, I'm of two minds. Gaspard seems like a rather awesome dude to have on the throne [like Bhelen]. But, having Celene keep her throne and continue to undermine her own society, thereby strengthening Tevinter as the imperial/cultural power is not without its merits.

[dantares83]

is Celene the most powerful person in Thedas (ok, minus the Tervinter country) or is the Divine more powerful (in terms of both political and people's support)?

[Andreas Amell]

 

 

 

You do realise you're playing a free-marcher in this game and not a dog-botherer right? 

 

As for Orlesian foppery, I'm of two minds. Gaspard seems like a rather awesome dude to have on the throne [like Bhelen]. But, having Celene keep her throne and continue to undermine her own society, thereby strengthening Tevinter as the imperial/cultural power is not without its merits.

 

So choose to destroy Tevinter, if it comes up in the game.

[Drasanil]

So choose to destroy Tevinter, if it comes up in the game.

 

Destroy Tevinter?

 

[HK-90210]

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[Incantrix]

Celene gets my vote.

 

Gaspard is a chevalier, who are nothing but a band of thugs in my book. Rich and well trained thugs. 

 

Celene may not always take the high road but ffs she's an Empress. She is trying to do the best she can do while pleasing her nobles.  The Noble class are the most important to keep close, if you ****** them off, then your rule is naught. 

 

Celene is the best chance Orlais will have to meeting a period of enlightenment. Enlightenment means a greater focus on social change (humanism) which can only be a plus for Elves and quite possibly Mages.  

 

Gaspard, while honorable, is a war monger who might win a few battles but will ultimately lead Orlais into imminent ruin. He knows nothing about peace time politics like Celene does and will simply stagnate the empire. 

 

We've seen time and time again in history of war monger emperors who crumble away an empire out of greed for a greater empire. I can't believe you people don't know this. 

[Spectre Impersonator]

So by purposely putting a weak ruler on the throne I'm going to condemn an entire nation, thousands of innocent people to said ruler's ineptitude and hypocrisy. Orlais doesn't have the greatest culture in Thedas, I would even argue that there isn't even a best culture in Thedas, but I'm not going to destabilize the entire country "For The Greater Good." 

 

That's just... wrong, sad and really stupid. Heck, if that's ultimately Briala master plan to help the elves then the Inquisitor is either going to have to stop her or convince her that she's going way to far. Don't punish an entire populace just because of the acts of their leaders. 

The populace is already being punished. The question is, do you give a damn about this nameless, faceless "populace" in a fictional RPG that focuses on the key players? Not me.

[ComedicSociopathy]

The populace is already being punished. The question is, do you give a damn about this nameless, faceless "populace" in a fictional RPG that focuses on the key players? Not me.

 

You scary me you know that.

 

Even in a fictional RPG I don't like to think of the people of an entire state as a nameless, faceless "populace" that's not as important as the key players. That logic has lead to crimes that arrange from the 2008 repression to several different acts of genocide. It's the logic that a corrupt CEO or a fascist dictator would have. And look, I know this is a video game and the fact is some characters are clearly more important then others, that still doesn't mean that I'm just going to ignore their plight, especially when they number in the tens of thousands. I'm person who will do every sidequest for every crying peasant whose cat has been caught in a tree, and I enjoy doing so. So, yeah, unless I'm committed to playing the pragmatist Inquisitor or the Assquistor, I'm definitely going to give a damn about the nameless NPC's, because to be honest if did exist in Thedas I would most likely be one of them.

 

Plus it's the right thing to do. And double plus you get a lot more exp that way.