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[Nerevar-as]

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[Spectre Impersonator]

I haven't read the book so I probably can't say for sure, but she sounds like a product of bad writing. Like the author didn't know exactly what her abilities were supposed to be or where the author wanted to take her.

Spoiler

Read it first. It's pretty good. Tell us what you think after experiencing the arc properly.

[Mistic]

And Gaspard rebelled because he thought that Celene was too weak to rule Orlais, and that things could only be worse in the future with her remaining on the throne. ( at least alone )

 

He paused, then smiled faintly. "...and because I wanted the throne, if we're being honest." (Epilogue)

[Dean_the_Young]

He paused, then smiled faintly. "...and because I wanted the throne, if we're being honest." (Epilogue)

 

If.

 

[FaeQueenCory]

I love our lesbian empress.

She's savvy. Smart. Kind. All in all a good leader...

Sure one could make the argument that she got dumb for Love.... but who hasn't done that?

 

Though I have to point out how dumb Briala was...

Axing Celene was the height of poor foresight...

Because once your servants start to collude... you get paranoid... and once you get paranoid... you start oppressing people before they can rebel. (see Halamshiral)

Basically Briala pulled a less extreme Anders and created a situation where her people are just gonna get MORE oppressed.

Gaspard has no reason to treat the elves as any better than Tevinter Magisters do.

Celene at least had the guilt of Love to better the plight of the elves.

(and honestly, I could see their lives becoming better in Orlais under the hands of Celene and Briala... if they were together....)

 

As for DA3....

Morrigan is Celene's new Briala... only without the lesbianism?

Who knows what's up with THAT.

[HK-90210]

I love our lesbian empress.

She's savvy. Smart. Kind. All in all a good leader...

Sure one could make the argument that she got dumb for Love.... but who hasn't done that?

 

Though I have to point out how dumb Briala was...

Axing Celene was the height of poor foresight...

Because once your servants start to collude... you get paranoid... and once you get paranoid... you start oppressing people before they can rebel. (see Halamshiral)

Basically Briala pulled a less extreme Anders and created a situation where her people are just gonna get MORE oppressed.

Gaspard has no reason to treat the elves as any better than Tevinter Magisters do.

Celene at least had the guilt of Love to better the plight of the elves.

(and honestly, I could see their lives becoming better in Orlais under the hands of Celene and Briala... if they were together....)

 

As for DA3....

Morrigan is Celene's new Briala... only without the lesbianism?

Who knows what's up with THAT.

 

Briala finally realized that NOBODY is going to give the elves equal rights other than the elves themselves. They have to fight for it. Getting their rights through the benevolence of the Orlesian noblity is not going to work. Briala followed the only path for the elves that makes sense: take their freedom, don't expect others to give it to you.

[Medhia_Nox]

@FaeQueenCory:  You're aware Celene killed her parents and basically told Briala... "Babe, it was just business."

[TK514]

Briala finally realized that NOBODY is going to give the elves equal rights other than the elves themselves. They have to fight for it. Getting their rights through the benevolence of the Orlesian noblity is not going to work. Briala followed the only path for the elves that makes sense: take their freedom, don't expect others to give it to you.

 

Unfortunately, even with the Eluvians, the Orlesian Elves have zero power to force change.  All Briala has done is ensured that when the Civil War ends, she and her conspirators face an executioner/life on the run, and her people face even harsher treatment due to association.  No one on either side of the Civil War is going to forget or forgive that 'those damn knife ears' cost further death and destruction to both.

 

I would not be surprised if at least one more Alienage burned due to her stupidity.

[Medhia_Nox]

@TK514:  I really think like Bioware is writing a dissertation on bad ideas for rebellions. 

 

Both the mages and elves are purely emotional situations...

 

BUT..

Briala could bide her time and just wait patiently and not do anything for a good long time.  That would be the absolute smartest thing.  She SHOULD begin forming an Underground Railroad with the Eluvians and slowly gather her people - supplies - etc. over YEARS (maybe even decades) - before attempting anything.

 

Acting out on emotion is the stupidest thing ever - and it doesn't seem like Briala is quite as stupid as someone like Adrian.

[HK-90210]

Unfortunately, even with the Eluvians, the Orlesian Elves have zero power to force change.  All Briala has done is ensured that when the Civil War ends, she and her conspirators face an executioner/life on the run, and her people face even harsher treatment due to association.  No one on either side of the Civil War is going to forget or forgive that 'those damn knife ears' cost further death and destruction to both.

 

I would not be surprised if at least one more Alienage burned due to her stupidity.

 

That, or the first side to give the elves(and the Inquisition) what they want wins the throne.

[TK514]

That, or the first side to give the elves(and the Inquisition) what they want wins the throne.

 

Except the elves don't have any way to enforce any agreement they did manage to extort, and very little of value to offer that would outweigh the damaged relations.

[HK-90210]

Except the elves don't have any way to enforce any agreement they did manage to extort, and very little of value to offer that would outweigh the damaged relations.

 

Eluvians.

[The Baconer]

Except the elves don't have any way to enforce any agreement they did manage to extort, and very little of value to offer that would outweigh the damaged relations.

 

The trade of goods and correspondence at unprecedented speeds via the Eluvian network.

 

I think it would much better serve the Elves to make their friendship too valuable to pass up for the rich and influential. Then before long, they can count an increasing number of themselves among the rich and influential.

 

Violence, however, will get them nowhere but six feet under. Or cremated. I heard cremation is more conventional in Thedas.

[Dark Helmet]

 

Violence, however, will get them nowhere but six feet under. Or cremated. I heard cremation is more conventional in Thedas.

 

Cremation makes a LOT of sense when demons can possess any corpses you bother to leave around.

[Spectre Impersonator]

She's savvy. Smart. Kind. All in all a good leader...

By the end of the book, I noticed none of these traits, especially not "kind"!

[dragonflight288]

Unfortunately, even with the Eluvians, the Orlesian Elves have zero power to force change.  All Briala has done is ensured that when the Civil War ends, she and her conspirators face an executioner/life on the run, and her people face even harsher treatment due to association.  No one on either side of the Civil War is going to forget or forgive that 'those damn knife ears' cost further death and destruction to both.

 

I would not be surprised if at least one more Alienage burned due to her stupidity.

 

Maybe, maybe not. A lot can happen in a civil war. And with the rise of the Inquisition, we likely will have quite a large say in what happens as the Inquisitor. 

[Daerog]

Cremation makes a LOT of sense when demons can possess any corpses you bother to leave around.

 

Avvars do air burials, Andrastians do cremations, except for Nevarrans who build necropolises for their possessed dead.

 

I think Qunari just dispose of bodies as if they were trash, either burning or just leaving it to rot.

 

The Dalish just bury their dead in the ground and the dwarves bury their dead in the stone.

[Master Warder Z_]

Maybe, maybe not. A lot can happen in a civil war. And with the rise of the Inquisition, we likely will have quite a large say in what happens as the Inquisitor.

I doubt the inquisition can enforce policy on Orlais.

[The Baconer]

I doubt the inquisition can enforce policy on Orlais.

 

I think it would be closer to lobbying, or making a "rigorous suggestion", instead of enforcing.

[Dean_the_Young]

The trade of goods and correspondence at unprecedented speeds via the Eluvian network.

 

The Eluvians network is more dependent on the host nations allowing access to the Eluvians than the host nations are on having access to the Eluvians. The networks' roots are only a secret so long as they are unknown to the local powers, which is lost after they become a trade node. The local power's ability to control the local area is not, short of invasion which ruins the prospects of peaceful trade.

 

And, if you really want to be blunt, the ability for the network to be an invasion corridor from any other network node makes it too dangerous to leave as a trade device in the hands of the untrusted. Eluvians aren't going to be left in alienages.

 

 

 

I think it would much better serve the Elves to make their friendship too valuable to pass up for the rich and influential. Then before long, they can count an increasing number of themselves among the rich and influential.

 

 

And kidnapped and tortured for the access codes, at which point there need be no more rich and influential elves.

 

This is the problem with Briala's 'exclusively elven asset thanks to password' scheme for any long-term monopoly.

 

 

 

 

 

Violence, however, will get them nowhere but six feet under. Or cremated. I heard cremation is more conventional in Thedas.

 

They're very good at it. They don't even need dead bodies!

[dragonflight288]

I doubt the inquisition can enforce policy on Orlais.

 

True, but the Inquisition ma be in a position where their own soldiers can enforce the rules in the area where the elves live, be it patrolling outside a homeland or safeguarding an alienage, and reinforce an area.

 

Or, the Inquisitor may use their influence as being an agent of the Maker's will and the common people accept it, and the nobility are forced to deal with it. 

 

I don't know for sure how things'll go, but Orlais is going through so many crises at once, that I am doubtful that they'll be in any position of strength, should they survive as a nation, when all is said and done. . 

[Xilizhra]

Anything about the Inquisition being completely unable to help the elven situation in Orlais strikes me as overly simplistic, given that it's an issue that a lot of people care about; I doubt Bioware wouldn't include an option that would enable the PC to do so substantially.

[dragonflight288]

Anything about the Inquisition being completely unable to help the elven situation in Orlais strikes me as overly simplistic, given that it's an issue that a lot of people care about; I doubt Bioware wouldn't include an option that would enable the PC to do so substantially.

 

Especially when we know that the Inquisitor will have his/her own standing army. 

[Xilizhra]

Especially when we know that the Inquisitor will have his/her own standing army. 

What I don't know is how it'll happen. What I do know is that Bioware isn't exactly afraid to retcon elements in their books.

[Medhia_Nox]

Right now Briala is one elf with a mirror - a very powerful mirror - but a mirror.  A mirror likely still filled a LOT of dangerous crap.  

 

Maybe - just maybe - a better idea to take your time and not have elven men, women and children flooding into your Eluvian space where another Varterall can eat them.

 

Masked Empire only scratches the surface of elven liberation... if they push it in Inquisition - I'll just consider it poor storytelling.  

 

If Briala is to succeed at all - she needs to be smart about it.  Plan for the future - not just some childish notion of freedom that's going to get her people killed. 

 

She's in the RIGHT place to do right by her people unlike the fool mages.  

 

I hope she takes advantage of it.