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Empress Celene... vile traitor OR savior of Orlais?


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#751
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WHAT third party?

How?

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If that were a thing I'd go back into Origins right now and try to put that Dwarven Noble who thought castes were stupid on the throne of Orzammar and call it a day. We have to deal with what political options we have.

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I think most of us here probably already know about these notable characters from TME showing in DAI at some point. Well here is the official literal confirmation, but if you don't want to be spoiled...then please don't click the spoiler tag below to avoid this.

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#753
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Good to see

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Don't worry Gaspard the Inquisition will see you on your rightful throne.

 

Death to the False Empress!


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That's one of the most costly and illogical plans ever proposed ever. And there have been a lot. 

I know  I said it on purpose. Personally I am going to wait before making a choice, though Celene has a lot to answer for or justify.



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Didn't Gaspard want to abolish that nonsense? I don't have to like him to respect that.

Wait what? He wants to abolish the game? Really? Hmm might need to side with him then I have to see what both offer in inquisition. 


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#757
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I don't get how people can defend Celene. She's weak, she's wishy-washy, Morrigan kinda-sorta hates her, Loghain despises her, she's selfish, she's a manipulative c*nt, she participates in the Great Game, and she's Orlesian. 

 

I'm sure I can add more. I'll edit as they come.

Because Gaspard is worse.

 

 

We are basically in pick your poison situation here.

Appropriate, given that Orlais itself is poison.

 

 

I think most of us here probably already know about these notable characters from TME showing in DAI at some point. Well here is the official literal confirmation, but if you don't want to be spoiled...then please don't click the spoiler tag below to avoid this.

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Celene. Wears. A. Full-Face. Mask.



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Because Gaspard is worse.

 

To you maybe. You're incredibly biased though. I've read posts of yours saying that you want to reunite Celene and Briala. 

 

LOL, hardly objective.


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Celene. Wears. A. Full-Face. Mask.

lol



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To you maybe. You're incredibly biased though. I've read posts of yours saying that you want to reunite Celene and Briala. 

 

LOL, hardly objective.

Believe me, I don't like Celene, and the only reason I want that is to undo the worst aspect of TME's overall terrible plot. It's not for Celene's sake. But I do consider Gaspard to be far too great a threat.



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Why? You still haven't given a single reason as to why Gaspard is worse than Celene besides because. 



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Why? You still haven't given a single reason as to why Gaspard is worse than Celene besides because. 

Because Gaspard has no intentions of placating the Elves.


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Because Gaspard has no intentions of placating the Elves.

 

How is that worse than empty promises followed by a metaphorical rib-shanking?


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Why? You still haven't given a single reason as to why Gaspard is worse than Celene besides because. 

He's a vicious warmonger whose obsession with Orlesian power and dignity would leave him a threat to the rest to Thedas and an implacable obstacle to social change at home. The only reason I'd want to keep him around is if it would be more likely to lead to an Orlesian Revolution down the line.



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Bah, the elves are done either way and who cares?

Gaspard doesn't give a damn about them and Celene will throw them advantages of little meaning and will side against them when push comes to shove as it will.


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How is that worse than empty promises followed by a metaphorical rib-shanking?

Don't look at me. I am personally supporting Gaspard, since I can appreciate his flavor of honesty.



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He's a vicious warmonger whose obsession with Orlesian power and dignity would leave him a threat to the rest to Thedas and an implacable obstacle to social change at home. The only reason I'd want to keep him around is if it would be more likely to lead to an Orlesian Revolution down the line.

What you said. 

 

He's worse because he's honest. At least Celene will lie about it for 20 years.

What I read. 


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In Brazil we have this saying called 'Maria vai com as outras' which is precisely what Celene is. Gaspard, good or bad, will do what he wants and is a clear threat. Where as Celene's weakness and unpredictability proves her to be more dangerous.



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Celene doesn't really give a **** about the elves either, that she lies about that to keep her pet happy is just another strike against her.


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To all the people who are already supporting Gaspard, you are metagaming. You are all basing that information on TME which the inquisitor isn't likely to know. Therefore, how can you be certain that the game won't put Celene in a good line and Gaspard in a bad light considering our inquisitors won't know what happened in TME?

 

 

Also, how would you react if Gaspard winds up being the worse option


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To all the people who are already supporting Gaspard, you are metagaming. You are all basing that information on TME which the inquisitor isn't likely to know. Therefore, how can you be certain that the game won't put Celene in a good line and Gaspard in a bad light considering our inquisitors won't know what happened in TME?

 

 

Also, how would you react if Gaspard winds up being the worse option

The same could be said for people who already supporting Celene while basing the information on TME. Which is also metagaming since the Inquisitor isn't likely to know about what happen in TME in full detail. You are also quite biased when it comes to categorizing  this person or that person into good & evil line.

 

And, how would you react if Celene winds up being the worse option.


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The same could be said for people who already supporting Celene while basing the information on TME. You are also quite biased when it comes to categorize this person or that person into good & evil line.

And, how would you react if Celene winds up being the worse option.

I'll adapt if Celene turns out to be worse.



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I'll adapt if Celene turns out to be worse.

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To all the people who are already supporting Gaspard, you are metagaming. You are all basing that information on TME which the inquisitor isn't likely to know. Therefore, how can you be certain that the game won't put Celene in a good line and Gaspard in a bad light considering our inquisitors won't know what happened in TME?

 

 

Also, how would you react if Gaspard winds up being the worse option

Metagamin is ebul, tbh. Unless it's in Celene's favor that is. Then it's just common sense.