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[Xilizhra]

Forgive me, but I can't parse the meaning of your reaction image.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Forgive me, but I can't parse the meaning of your reaction image.

Nothing that should be taken too seriously. I just find this discussion getting us nowhere but running in the circle, and you are very biased though even I wouldn't dare put Gaspard on the pedestal nor defending him this much to the level of being bias about it.

[Dark Helmet]

Metagamin is ebul, tbh. Unless it's in Celene's favor that is. Then it's just common sense. 

 

I legitimately do not understand why pro-elf people are so in favor of Celene. She'd make reforms only to tear them away at the first sign of resistance.

[Xilizhra]

Nothing that should be taken too seriously. I just find this discussion getting us nowhere but running in the circle, and you are very biased though even I wouldn't dare put Gaspard on the pedestal nor defending him this much to the level of being bias about it.

How many times must I say that I don't like Celene?

 

 

I legitimately do not understand why pro-elf people are so in favor of Celene. She'd make reforms only to tear them away at the first sign of resistance.

It's entirely possible that we'll be able to kill off many of the resistant nobles, given that many are likely to be Gaspard's supporters.

[Dark Helmet]

 

 

 

It's entirely possible that we'll be able to kill off many of the resistant nobles, given that many are likely to be Gaspard's supporters.

 

"Maybe we'll kill enough nobles for Celene to grow a spine."... That doesn't really...

 

Never mind, there's no point.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I legitimately do not understand why pro-elf people are so in favor of Celene. She'd make reforms only to tear them away at the first sign of resistance.

And you thought pro-elf players would wish to side with Briala and help the Elven resistance to rebel against their Orlesian masters. I think some people just bought Celene's propaganda and take it to the heart.

[Br3admax]

How many times must I say that I don't like Celene?

"I don't like Celene, but I'm willing to look over everything she does and here weaknesses, as well as force her lover back into a relationship with her because that book was terrible and it needs to be undone," isn't a convincing argument to make anyone believe that you don't have bias. 

[Lady Artifice]

To all the people who are already supporting Gaspard, you are metagaming. You are all basing that information on TME which the inquisitor isn't likely to know. Therefore, how can you be certain that the game won't put Celene in a good line and Gaspard in a bad light considering our inquisitors won't know what happened in TME?


Also, how would you react if Gaspard winds up being the worse option

We are kind of ALL metagaming then, because our Inquisitor hasn't interacted with either of them.

I'm in the 'Gaspard is also a huge tool' club, but I think Celene is the more likely to pull the rug out from under us at some point, so I'm reserving my final choice for in the game.

I also suspect that many of the people who think Gaspard is too badass to condescend to mass slaughter innocents or play the stupid Orlesian game think so because HE IS a badass and they'd LIKE that to be the case about him.

[Dark Helmet]

"I don't like Celene, but I'm willing to look over everything she does and here weaknesses, as well as force her lover back into a relationship with her because that book was terrible and it needs to be undone," isn't a convincing argument to make anyone believe that you don't have bias. 

 

I don't even like Briala and I think forcing her to get back with Celene would be monstrous.

[Xilizhra]

And you thought pro-elf players would wish to side with Briala and help the Elven resistance to rebel against their Orlesian masters. I think some people just bought Celene's propaganda and take it to the heart.

We're unsure if that's an option.

 

 

"I don't like Celene, but I'm willing to look over everything she does and here weaknesses, as well as force her lover back into a relationship with her because that book was terrible and it needs to be undone," isn't a convincing argument to make anyone believe that you don't have bias. 

When would force ever be involved?

And it's not about overlooking Celene's flaws, but seeing Gaspard as worse.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

We're unsure if that's an option.

 

Unfortunately it's unlikely we going to get the third option. *sigh* I will admit it though that it make more sense for the two available choices to be a powerful politician since they can support the Inquisition while a group of City Elf's rebel can hardly support you nor have that much of a manpower, resources and political power.

[Barquiel]

I legitimately do not understand why pro-elf people are so in favor of Celene. She'd make reforms only to tear them away at the first sign of resistance.

 

Because if Gaspard wins the war the elves are screwed. If Celene wins the war the elves are still screwed...but less so. She won't do as much as she told Briala she would, I guess, but I think she will seek some changes. As the civil war's victor she should have little resistance in granting the elves more rights because her enemies are most likely either dead or have fallen from power.

[Br3admax]

When would force ever be involved?
And it's not about overlooking Celene's flaws, but seeing Gaspard as worse.

Considering she already left because it was abusive and she killed her parents, I'm thinking all of it.

Gaspard's flaws are the same as Celene's and he is an actual leader, so yeah. No it's not.

[Xilizhra]

Considering she already left because it was abusive and she killed her parents, I'm thinking all of it.

Gaspard's flaws are the same as Celene's and he is an actual leader, so yeah. No it's not.

Well, I sincerely doubt that we'd ever get an option to force anything, so if it happens, it'll be willing.

 

And did Celene ever want to invade Ferelden? Not to mention the question of why I'd want to make Orlais stronger at all...

[Br3admax]

Wanting to invade Fereldan isn't a flaw. Wanting to make your kingdom stronger is not a flaw. Your idea of what makes a good leader is a little off base.

[Xilizhra]

Wanting to invade Fereldan isn't a flaw. Wanting to make your kingdom stronger is not a flaw. Your idea of what makes a good leader is a little off base.

It's a flaw for those who want to see Ferelden remain free, which I do.

[TTTX]

Well, I sincerely doubt that we'd ever get an option to force anything, so if it happens, it'll be willing.

 

And did Celene ever want to invade Ferelden? Not to mention the question of why I'd want to make Orlais stronger at all...

She did try to invade during the blight in Origins or at least the forces she sent was way more then was known to Ferelden.

 

 

Wanting to invade Fereldan isn't a flaw. Wanting to make your kingdom stronger is not a flaw. Your idea of what makes a good leader is a little off base.

He doesn't have much of a plan for the future of Orlais.

 

His plan for invading Ferelden is pretty much out of the question (for a couple of years) after the civil war and the breach I doubt many nobles wants to commit the soldiers, have the resources and etc to do such a campaign.

[Br3admax]

It's a flaw for those who want to see Ferelden remain free, which I do.

Celene tried to do the exact same thing. How is that a flaw they dint share, even using your definition of a flaw?

[The Baconer]

He doesn't have much of a plan for the future of Orlais.

 

His plan for invading Ferelden is pretty much out of the question (for a couple of years) after the civil war and the breach I doubt many nobles wants to commit the soldiers, have the resources and etc to do such a campaign.

 

Gaspard probably realizes this. The invasion was just a plan to placate and distract the whiny aristocrats anyway. I'm sure the state of Orlais after the Breach will offer other opportunities.

[Xilizhra]

Celene tried to do the exact same thing. How is that a flaw they dint share, even using your definition of a flaw?

Her plan required the Ferelden king's consent, and in any case it won't work when he's already married.

[Dark Helmet]

It's a flaw for those who want to see Ferelden remain free, which I do.

 

The devotion that some people have to those filthy Dog Lords will never cease to confuse me.

[TTTX]

The devotion that some people have to those filthy Dog Lords will never cease to confuse me.

is it better to be loyal to some fancy pants, cheese stinking, backstabbing Orleisans?

[WolfofRockies]

is it better to be loyal to some fancy pants, cheese stinking, backstabbing Orleisans?

Nope... I dislike them. Actually dislike is too mild a term, but the term I would use would get me banned. 

 

I happen to love the Idea of the Dog Lords, and I would be like: 

 

Orleisan: Aren't you a filthy Dog lord?

 

Me: Yes I am, I don't believe you have met Andraste.

 

Orleisan: Andraste?

 

me: Yeah my Mabari, she is pissing on leg right about now....

[herkles]

is it better to be loyal to some fancy pants, cheese stinking, backstabbing Orleisans?

I choose a third option: Nevarra  

[Dark Helmet]

I choose a third option: Nevarra

 

Herkles pls, Orzammar.