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[Zered]

Yeah, like the idea of monarchy is to make political marriages. Elisabeth I didn't marry and look how well it worked for the Tudors

[The Baconer]

On the other hand, I think we can agree that refusing to do anything because she was unwilling to give up her lover and her secret morning tea was pretty much a terrible thing for the ruler of a nation to do, and possibly the worst thing in this situation.  She had the opportunity to at the very least delay things, and didn't even take that.

 

I agree, at least to the extent that entertaining the idea of marriage with multiple candidates via courtship might have done well to keep some of the important houses on her side. The idea of marriage itself, however, was a minefield, made even more volatile after her social gaffe.

 

 

That was just Remache excuse for supporting Gaspard. The real reason is that he wanted his daughter to marry an emperor, Gaspard says so.

 

Ah, the useful opportunist then. I guess he was a potential resource that both Celene and Gaspard managed to mishandle.

[Spectre Impersonator]

I hope there's a "kill them all" option. I doubt I'll need any help from the pathetic Orlesians.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Ah, the useful opportunist then. I guess he was a potential resource that both Celene and Gaspard managed to mishandle.

 

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Yup, the fact that Remache acted against Celene after Gaspard's open oath to work with Celene proved that Gaspard himself underestimated his control over Recmache.

[The Baconer]

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Yup, the fact that Remache acted against Celene after Gaspard's open oath to work with Celene proved that Gaspard himself underestimated his control over Recmache.

 

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I don't think he so much underestimated his control over Remache as he overestimated the importance of the arbitrary "Chevalier code" to people that don't live in his world. Either way he lost a powerful ally over a trivial matter.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Who did she backstab?

Sorry, did you read the whole book? 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Sorry, did you read the whole book? 

 

Yes, and I've made my points defending Celene many times.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Yes, and I've made my points defending Celene many times.

So you don't think she backstabbed her lover then? Briala was wrong to leave her? Having her elf's parents murdered was a justifiable sacrifice? 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

So you don't think she backstabbed her lover then? Briala was wrong to leave her? Having her elf's parents murdered was a justifiable sacrifice? 

 

I blamed Lady Mantillon for that and Briala already got her revenge. If Celene told Lady Mantillon no, don't kill my servants, I'd full expect Celene to die along with her servents. Lady Mantillon even had Gaspard in mind as a replacement/back up plan. Briala seemed to understand this in the book. Briala broke off with Celene not because what happened to her parents but because she knew Celene would want gradual slow reform and Briala was no longer willing to wait for changed. She wanted it now and believed the Eluvians and the civil war gave her the means for rapid change for the city elves benefit.

[Spectre Impersonator]

I blamed Lady Mantillon for that and Briala already got her revenge. If Celene told Lady Mantillon no, don't kill my servants, I'd full expect Celene to die along with her servents. Lady Mantillon even had Gaspard in mind as a replacement/back up plan. Briala seemed to understand this in the book. Briala broke off with Celene not because what happened to her parents but because she knew Celene would want gradual slow reform and Briala was no longer willing to wait for changed. She wanted it now and believed the Eluvians and the civil war gave her the means for rapid change for the city elves benefit.

Okay, wow. Exoneration for a murderess because she cried about it later. That explains a lot.

[dragonflight288]

I don't really care about metagaming when it concerns the fate of an empire, but I'm sure Gaspard will fill us in, so eh 

 

If he doesn't decide to let a bunch of people die out of his sense of honor. Sure, his honor will keep him from torturing the Inquisitor, but in the same sentence he'll happily order the destruction of an entire city and burning everyone in it to get the Inquisitor to comply. 

 

He and Celene both suck, and neither have my confidence, based on the novel. But I'm willing to play the game and make a more firm opinion one way or the other after the game comes out and I've played a few playthroughs and saw the results of supporting either. 

[Dabrikishaw]

By Orlais standards, she's no traitor.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I hope there's a "kill them all" option. I doubt I'll need any help from the pathetic Orlesians.

Unfortunately there is no "kill them all" option, but in case you don't want to side with those Orlesians....below is contain spoiler from the Orlesian Ball. Please don't click the spoiler tag if you wish to avoid any spoilers.

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You can choose to not intervene when the Assassin about to kill Celene, and ultimately you can choose to support and side with Briala.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Unfortunately there is no "kill them all" option, but in case you don't want to side with those Orlesians....below is contain spoiler from the Orlesian Ball. Please don't click the spoiler tag if you wish to avoid any spoilers.

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You can choose to not intervene when the Assassin about to kill Celene, and ultimately you can choose to support and side with Briala.

 

Do you have a link to the stream that showed the Ball?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Do you have a link to the stream that showed the Ball?

I think they were deleted. Sorry, I wish I have more to show you though.

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The stream of the Orlesian Ball level cut off as the Inquisitor chasing the Assassin.

[ButterRum]

Unfortunately there is no "kill them all" option, but in case you don't want to side with those Orlesians....below is contain spoiler from the Orlesian Ball. Please don't click the spoiler tag if you wish to avoid any spoilers.

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You can choose to not intervene when the Assassin about to kill Celene, and ultimately you can choose to support and side with Briala.

 

Can we

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kill Gaspard or punish him?

 

#TeamCelene. 

 

Could we support both Briala and Celene? I mean...they both kinda want the same thing, just at different times.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Can we

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kill Gaspard or punish him?

 

#TeamCelene.

 

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Maybe. I don't see why not if you can choose not to intervene when the Assassin about to kill Celene, tbh at this point I think we can choose "screw those damned Orlesians" option. I'm going with my third option here, the stream cut off as the Inquisitor chasing the Assassin. Before the Ball level is over anyway so I guess we'll see it for outselves when the game is release.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I bet its because that stream was showing too much of the story. Ah well. #GoTeamCelene

[ButterRum]

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Maybe. I don't see why not if you can choose not to intervene when the Assassin about to kill Celene, tbh at this point I think we can choose "screw those damned Orlesians" option. I'm going with my third option here, the stream cut off as the Inquisitor chasing the Assassin. Before the Ball level is over anyway so I guess we'll see it for outselves when the game is release.

 

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Was the assassin sent by Gaspard or Briala? Wouldn't an assassin ruin Gaspard's convenient honor code?

 

The Orlesian ball isn't much of a spoiler for me since Bioware released art of Halamshiral on their blog and said that an assassin was in the midst of the ball. 

 

http://www.dragonage...ook-halamshiral

 

^^ Don't know why it says it was posted 4 days ago. There was a similar post I saw last summer about it.

 

Edit: Yeah, here's a thread of mine from last summer about it: http://forum.bioware.../#entry17170431

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

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Was the assassin sent by Gaspard or Briala? Wouldn't an assassin ruin Gaspard's convenient honor code?

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The Assassin works for Corypheus, and this assassin attempt to plant a false flag on Gaspard to keep the player off her track. The Assassin just here to kill important figure and start chaos so she's not interested in political affairs. Don't know why you had to keep smearing Gaspard to look like another villain though, IMO no one is the good guy here although Briala seems to be the lesser evil of these three.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Yeah, I remember that ball being revealed last summer. Can't wait to meet Celene in game, I wonder what her voice sounds like.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

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The Assassin works for Corypheus, and this assassin attempt to plant a false flag on Gaspard to keep the player off her track. The Assassin just here to kill important figure and start chaos so she's not interested in political affairs. Don't know why you had to keep smearing Gaspard to look like another villain though, IMO no one is the good guy here although Briala seems to be the lesser evil of these three.

 

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Gaspard is just an ease scapegoat in this case since hes the obvious choice for the question of who wants to kill Celene

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

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Gaspard is just an ease scapegoat in this case since hes the obvious choice for the question of who wants to kill Celene

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He is also the obvious choice for people who's believes he's going to be a better ruler than Celene. The obvious choice for people who's believes that Celene is weak and incompetent since TME. It doesn't have anything to do with people want to kill Celene alone.

[ButterRum]

Does anyone know who voices Celene, Gaspard, and Briala? Can't wait to hear their voices! 

 

Celene looks like Tilda Swinton in the concept art... I liked her looks better in The Masked Empire cover.