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[Steelcan]

Perhaps, but that isn't enough for my characters to let her die.

right because actually killing thousands of innocent people is worse than potentially starting a war

[thesuperdarkone2]

right because actually killing thousands of innocent people is worse than potentially starting a war

So a war is less costly than the destruction of one alienage? 

[Augustei]

for my dalish: yes celene burned down an alianage of elves. My dalish quizzy is strongly pro-elven, not sure which option I am going to go with celene/briala or briala as puppet master over gaspard.  but this will make her pause.

If your going this route i'd suggest Celene/Briala if your only motivation is the elves, Briala is extremely radical and if given free reign under Gaspard she goes in full force pushing for equality. Ripping down alienage walls etc. However its highly unlikely this will work out, the nobles begin to form powerful factions with the plan to overthrow Gaspard and then it'll just lead to infighting and a likely eventual return to the status quo. Celene/Briala has Celene pushing for reform but not to such a radical degree, she keeps Briala in check more.

[Spectre Impersonator]

He still plans to fight Tevinter which is even worse for Orlais considering how other fights with Tevinter have gone. Considering the best Orlais ending requires Celene to live, guess we know who Bioware prefers. Remember how Bioware said that the optimal outcome sometimes requires making choices you don't approve?

Why is fighting Tevinter bad and why should I care about Orlais?

[Steelcan]

So a war is less costly than the destruction of one alienage? 

depends on the war, and Gaspard won;t be starting it any time soon due to the Crisis and the fallout of the Civil War so its pretty clear his war isn;t happening in the near future

[thesuperdarkone2]

depends on the war, and Gaspard won;t be starting it any time soon due to the Crisis and the fallout of the Civil War so its pretty clear his war isn;t happening in the near future

If you don't do the peace treaty, Gaspard invades Ferelden soon after the the Elder One's defeat so he clearly wants the invasion ASAP.

[herkles]

If your going this route i'd suggest Celene/Briala if your only motivation is the elves, Briala is extremely radical and if given free reign under Gaspard she goes in full force pushing for equality. Ripping down alienage walls etc. However its highly unlikely this will work out, the nobles begin to form powerful factions with the plan to overthrow Gaspard and then it'll just lead to infighting and a likely eventual return to the status quo. Celene/Briala has Celene pushing for reform but not to such a radical degree, she keeps Briala in check more.

hmm, the whole revolution thing does kind of sound like what my dalish might support, her main goal at that mission is to place in power the best result for the elves. so maybe she might go for celene/briala, though that burning down the alianage will ****** her off.

[Ryzaki]

I bet you didn't even get invited to go wyvern hunting

 

hmph. As if I care.

 

What did you do exactly to get that outcome? Evidence against all three of them?

 

Yeah need to save some of the halla statues so you can get the dirt on Celene. Then you pretty much own all three of them :3

[ButterRum]

I love how all these arguments just never end. You know when interesting characters are created when they get readers to talk...

I hope Bioware keeps the drama going among Celene, Briala, and Gaspard in future games. Although I'm afraid that once we're given choices to dictate these characters, their futures become more limited than the previous game.

Although I love how Leliana has such a huge part! Though Cassandra, Morrigan, and Leliana's futures are probably done now that we've been given so many choices...in the next games, they'd probably get a cameo considering BW would be making completely separate games for everyone's choices if they gave those characters big parts. Ugh, I do hope I'm wrong.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Although I love how Leliana has such a huge part! Though Cassandra, Morrigan, and Leliana's futures are probably done now that we've been given so many choices...in the next games, they'd probably get a cameo considering BW would be making completely separate games for everyone's choices if they gave those characters big parts. Ugh, I do hope I'm wrong.

They should really close the Warden/Leliana/Morrigan's stories via DLC in Inquisition. They already have all the characters except the Warden present and available. Time to bring it to an end and stop worrying about it. Make it like an expansion pack DLC that finishes the Warden's quest to conquer the Calling. Without it being a full game, they ought to be able to record a new protagonist.

[Scuttlebutt101]

Tell me, if you never read the book, would you really have a reason to not save Celene?

One line from Gaspard: "I detest The Game." Then "You're too sensible to be Orlesian" sealed the deal. I haven't read the book (though I've heard a lot about it), so to me, Gaspard looked like he would send me troops to fight Corypheus, while Celene's promise of support sounded more like "I'll throw 10+ parties in Inquisition's honor to improve my- I mean your reputation with the other nations, because clearly that's a priority right now. The Game~"

[NugHugs]

It's not really a question of who deserves the throne . . have you seen a map of Thedas? Orlais is massive. If you have any love for Ferelden, you wouldn't put Gaspard on the throne. At least Celene has no interest in conquering other lands. Despite her questionable tactics, she's a better leader in terms of peace and progression.

[Scuttlebutt101]

It's not really a question of who deserves the throne . . have you seen a map of Thedas? Orlais is massive. If you have any love for Ferelden, you wouldn't put Gaspard on the throne. At least Celene has no interest in conquering other lands. Despite her questionable tactics, she's a better leader in terms of peace and progression.

I see your point. I love Ferelden dearly and the whole warmongering thing was the only thing that was keeping me from putting Gaspard on the throne. Thankfully, he signs a peace treaty with Ferelden if you complete that neat little war table operation. 

[Han Shot First]

I think either Celene or Gaspard works for Orlais really. It's all just a matter of which camp you want to support, and unlike Bhelen and Harrowmont either one is capable of managing the country capably. 

 

The real cancer is Briala. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

If you make Briala the power behind the throne, how is the epilogue?

[NugHugs]

I see your point. I love Ferelden dearly and the whole warmongering thing was the only thing that was keeping me from putting Gaspard on the throne. Thankfully, he signs a peace treaty with Ferelden if you complete that neat little war table operation. 

 

Eh, Celene ruled the empire for 20 years and now he decides to retaliate? His sole reason for the civil war is because "she throws balls while other countries chip away at our borders". It's kept the peace for 20 years, why now?? He would go through all of that just to make peace and and sit idly on the throne with nothing to do? I read that he turns his eye towards the Tevinter Imperium. . .so I suppose if the the player chooses to help the peace talks between Orlais and Ferelden, it still leaves Tevinter open.

[JJDXB]

right because actually killing thousands of innocent people is worse than potentially starting a war

 

Gaspard willingly started a war.  The Civil War.  And it killed many more thousands.  Even if he makes peace with Ferelden (and only because the inquisition asked), he makes his priority militarily posturing against Tevinter.  It seems he can only think through the lense of his armies, as if war is the solution to all problems.  I have no time for such warmongers.  Celene's no angel, no Orlesian noble is, but Gaspard apparently gets away with causing the deaths of many thousands simply because 'he is honourable, he sucked up to me'.

[Scuttlebutt101]

 

If you make Briala the power behind the throne, how is the epilogue?

I might be wrong, but IIRC, if Gaspard is her puppet, she gives the elves new rights and lands and makes plans to tear down the alienages' walls. If the quizzy is an elf, it is said that there are whispers of a revolt among the nobles, but no one seemes to do anything out of fear of Briala's alliance with an elven Inquisitor. Gaspard is chafing under her control, but is powerless to do anything because, again, Inquisitor.

 

 

I read that he turns his eye towards the Tevinter Imperium. . .so I suppose if the the player chooses to help the peace talks between Orlais and Ferelden, it still leaves Tevinter open.

I think if you complete the "peace with Ferelden" mission, he focuses on fortifying the Tevinter border instead, so it's a win-win.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

If you have any love for Ferelden, you wouldn't put Gaspard on the throne. At least Celene has no interest in conquering other lands. 

Except that you can change Gaspard's mind about invading Ferelden by completing certain war table mission, and Celene intends to annex Ferelden through marriage with Cailan. I don't see why Celene is any better than Gaspard at this point, she has interest in conquering other nations with only different way.

[NugHugs]

Except that you can change Gaspard's mind about invading Ferelden by completing certain war table mission, and Celene intends to annex Ferelden through marriage with Cailan. I don't see why Celene is any better than Gaspard at this point, she has interest in conquering other nations with only different way.

 

Lol, that is a brutal perspective, but actions matter. You have two people trying to get to get inside a room, but there's a man guarding the room. You can kill him or befriend him, either option will get you in the room. The end doesn't justify the means.

[TEWR]

Gaspard is basically Orlais' version of Loghain. Politically incompetent but militarily brilliant.

 

Given that I have a shot at nipping this in the bud (as much as possible anyway, given the Civil War) Gaspard will not take the throne.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Lol, that is a brutal perspective, but actions matter. You have two people trying to get to get inside a room, but there's a man guarding the room. You can kill him or befriend him, either option will get you in the room. The end doesn't justify the means.

I'm sorry, but you're naive to think the peace will last long if you conquer Ferelden that way. In fact you will creating another Fereldan Rebellion since there are many proud Ferelden who wish to keep their independence, who would not bow to the Orlesian master, as there are many greedy Orlesian nobles who wish to claim every land on Ferelden as their own, who see Ferelden as nothing more than their slave. There will be bloodshed, and the next war will either start by Ferelden who try to liberate from Orlais, or Orlais that seek to put down the rebellion. If you conquer Ferelden through war or political marriage, either way there will be war.

[Barquiel]

I think either Celene or Gaspard works for Orlais really. It's all just a matter of which camp you want to support, and unlike Bhelen and Harrowmont either one is capable of managing the country capably. 
 
The real cancer is Briala.

Why do you think so? According to epilogue, Celene/Briala bringing Orlais into a new Golden Age seemed a lot better than Celene solo or Gaspard solo.

[Boost32]

Is there a way to put Celene on the throne, execute Briala and exile Gaspard?

[NugHugs]

I'm sorry, but you're naive to think the peace will last long if you conquer Ferelden that way. In fact you will creating another Fereldan Rebellion since there are many proud Ferelden who wish to keep their independence, who would not bow to the Orlesian master, as there are many greedy Orlesian nobles who wish to claim every land on Ferelden as their own, who see Ferelden as nothing more than their slave. There will be bloodshed, and the next war will either start by Ferelden who try to liberate from Orlais, or Orlais that seek to put down the rebellion. If you conquer Ferelden through war or political marriage, either way there will be war.

 

I think my original point was that Celene wasn't trying to conquer Ferelden, she was attempting to unite the two countries through diplomacy. Even when that didn't work, she didn't rush the troops out the door to conquer them because her actual goal was peace. But you're right, after what happened with King Meghren, I doubt there would be a lasting peace if she did marry King Cailan.